









Antony Flew reviews the Index of The God DelusionI have rebutted these criticisms in the following statement: "My name is on the book and it represents exactly my opinions. I would not have a book issued in my name that I do not 100 per cent agree with. I needed someone to do the actual writing because I'm 84 and that was Roy Varghese's role. The idea that someone manipulated me because I'm old is exactly wrong. I may be old but it is hard to manipulate me. That is my book and it represents my thinking."
2. Comment #214469 by Oystein Elgaroy on July 20, 2008 at 1:54 pm
3. Comment #214471 by Diacanu on July 20, 2008 at 1:55 pm
His article, reproduced below, shows Professor Flew's key reasons for his belief in a Divine Intelligence.
4. Comment #214472 by He'sAVeryNaughtyBoy on July 20, 2008 at 1:55 pm
It's one of those ones where you just have to shake your head and wonder why?5. Comment #214475 by BicycleRepairMan on July 20, 2008 at 1:59 pm
6. Comment #214476 by blu on July 20, 2008 at 2:00 pm
It's been awhile since I read The God Delusion, but I distinctly recall a discussion of what a Deist believes and how it differs from a Theist. Or am I just mis-remembering? However, given that I know that I did not know the distinction before reading TGD and GING and my current understanding matches what is written above, I am going to guess that Richard Dawkins was aware of it before he wrote the book. And don't I recall reading a refutation about Einstein? I think that the author here did get it right when he said that RD did not write TGD to explore Truth, but to spread the author's own convictions. But it does present the reasons for that conviction, so what is the problem? TGD is not a theology book after all, but science writing.7. Comment #214478 by Shaka on July 20, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Flew is clealy just scared of dieing, because of his old age. 8. Comment #214480 by Apathy personified on July 20, 2008 at 2:02 pm
he has since announced his intention to retireIsn't it a mandatory retirement?
or rather lack of contentsHmm, maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?
apparently deliberate refusal to present the doctrineHe did, very early on. Also, it is very difficult to do this, as he would get the response, 'That's NOT my religion he's talking about'.
a secularist bigotThat can go on the list with; strident, evangelical atheist, etc.
9. Comment #214483 by alovrin on July 20, 2008 at 2:06 pm
10. Comment #214485 by Diacanu on July 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Flew is clealy just scared of dieing, because of his old age.
11. Comment #214488 by Eshto on July 20, 2008 at 2:12 pm
12. Comment #214489 by mordacious1 on July 20, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Actually, Richard has made comments about Flew in the past, I wish I could direct you to them.13. Comment #214492 by Auraboy on July 20, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I can understand someone wanting to throw stones at Richard's tone (as most of the negative reviews did, as they had nothing else to really go for) but to apparently have missed both the index and text of the book in question seems a grave oversight if not a slightly sad act of senility.
Really quite sad reading. A bit like watching an old person soil themselves. I'd rather not attack. It deserves sympathy rather than vitriol.
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14. Comment #214494 by PristinePanda on July 20, 2008 at 2:20 pm
The fault of Dawkins as an academic (which he still was during the period in which he composed this book although he has since announced his intention to retire)
15. Comment #214496 by stevencarrwork on July 20, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Rather amusingly, Flew writes the following :-16. Comment #214498 by Quine on July 20, 2008 at 2:25 pm
17. Comment #214503 by PristinePanda on July 20, 2008 at 2:33 pm
18. Comment #214506 by HourglassMemory on July 20, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I sense that the whole thing, especially since it was published by The Christian Unions, to be a big indirect fallacy (argument from authority).19. Comment #214507 by Spinoza on July 20, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Einstein's most relevant report: namely, that the integrated complexity of the world of physics has led him to believe that there must be a Divine Intelligence behind it.
20. Comment #214510 by thewhitepearl on July 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm
For if he had had any interest in the truth of the matter of which he was making so much he would surely have brought himself to write me a letter of enquiry.
21. Comment #214511 by MPhil on July 20, 2008 at 2:46 pm
22. Comment #214514 by vesihiisi on July 20, 2008 at 2:56 pm
23. Comment #214518 by Telic on July 20, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Antony Flew reviews the Index of The God Delusion
24. Comment #214521 by Quine on July 20, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Sometimes I wish these articles came with a "Rate of Frustration scale" Like "have a cup of coffee before reading this" all the way to "remove all sharp objects from the area".
25. Comment #214522 by BigJohn on July 20, 2008 at 3:08 pm
26. Comment #214523 by Dhamma on July 20, 2008 at 3:09 pm
27. Comment #214524 by thewhitepearl on July 20, 2008 at 3:11 pm
28. Comment #214525 by 43alley on July 20, 2008 at 3:11 pm
29. Comment #214528 by ricey on July 20, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Just shows you have to read and understand everything before you can seriously enter a debate.30. Comment #214533 by robotaholic on July 20, 2008 at 3:20 pm
"My one and only piece of relevant evidence [for an Aristotelian God] is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species ... [In fact] the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms."
31. Comment #214537 by kornyjorge on July 20, 2008 at 3:29 pm
32. Comment #214541 by robotaholic on July 20, 2008 at 3:32 pm
33. Comment #214542 by Quine on July 20, 2008 at 3:33 pm
34. Comment #214547 by GregPhillips on July 20, 2008 at 3:34 pm
35. Comment #214548 by kraut on July 20, 2008 at 3:35 pm
"the only reason which I have for beginning to think of believing in a First Cause god is the impossibility of providing a naturalistic account of the origin of the first reproducing organisms."36. Comment #214549 by mordacious1 on July 20, 2008 at 3:35 pm
43alley37. Comment #214550 by Steve Zara on July 20, 2008 at 3:37 pm
(I myself think it obvious that if this argument is applicable to the world of physics then it must be hugely more powerful if it is applied to the immeasurably more complicated world of biology.)
38. Comment #214552 by JammyB on July 20, 2008 at 3:39 pm
"his scandalous and apparently deliberate refusal to present the doctrine which he appears to think he has refuted in its strongest form39. Comment #214553 by mordacious1 on July 20, 2008 at 3:40 pm
There you go Steve. Now that wasn't difficult, was it? And don't you feel better?40. Comment #214559 by Steve Zara on July 20, 2008 at 3:46 pm
41. Comment #214563 by Stevezar on July 20, 2008 at 3:49 pm
42. Comment #214567 by mordacious1 on July 20, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Robotaholic43. Comment #214569 by joshuaslocum on July 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Steve, I sent you a private message (before you decided to bring our back and forth at Pharyngula into this unrelated thread).44. Comment #214574 by Inferno on July 20, 2008 at 4:07 pm
His article, reproduced below, shows Professor Flew's key reasons for his belief in a Divine Intelligence.
I myself think it obvious that if this argument is applicable to the world of physics then it must be hugely more powerful if it is applied to the immeasurably more complicated world of biology
45. Comment #214580 by Steve Zara on July 20, 2008 at 4:16 pm
46. Comment #214581 by Laurie Fraser on July 20, 2008 at 4:16 pm
47. Comment #214583 by Apathy personified on July 20, 2008 at 4:20 pm
48. Comment #214584 by mordacious1 on July 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Laurie49. Comment #214588 by JHJEFFERY on July 20, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I write only to comment on the Einstein portion of Professor Flew's letter (if it indeed is his own). I could comment on D'Souza, since, in my discourse with him I have found his scholarship less than reliable (he cited a 'historian" who turned out to be a rhetorician--didn't you think Cicero was the last of that breed--who had also written an article asserting that the diagram of the Christian fish with legs and "Darwin" in the figure was "aggressive".50. Comment #214589 by Dhamma on July 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm
1. Comment #214462 by mordacious1 on July 20, 2008 at 1:43 pm
This is a sad story. I really do think that Flew actually flew (into the cuckoo's nest). I'd like to see the guy on video so I can judge for myself if his marbles are all still in the bag.[edit] I've already told my wife that if I start believing in god, that senility has set in and that she can put me in a home or put me down, her choice.
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