Toward a Type 1 civilization2. Comment #218537 by JAMCAM87 on July 25, 2008 at 2:00 pm
3. Comment #218538 by TruthByEvidence on July 25, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I'm optimistic that we shall indeed reach a level 1.0 civilisation . My optimism sprouts only because there are many intelligent and capable individuals that shall not allow the world to crash and burn without a valiant effort.4. Comment #218539 by 8teist on July 25, 2008 at 2:02 pm
5. Comment #218542 by Radesq on July 25, 2008 at 2:04 pm
6. Comment #218547 by phatbat on July 25, 2008 at 2:07 pm
7. Comment #218548 by 8teist on July 25, 2008 at 2:07 pm
8. Comment #218550 by Apathy personified on July 25, 2008 at 2:10 pm
9. Comment #218553 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:10 pm
10. Comment #218557 by JAMCAM87 on July 25, 2008 at 2:14 pm
11. Comment #218564 by JAMCAM87 on July 25, 2008 at 2:19 pm
12. Comment #218572 by Greybishop on July 25, 2008 at 2:26 pm
13. Comment #218579 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:29 pm
14. Comment #218606 by Dr Doctor on July 25, 2008 at 2:43 pm
15. Comment #218608 by ty90 on July 25, 2008 at 2:43 pm
My own views of a level 1 ?16. Comment #218613 by Lucas on July 25, 2008 at 2:46 pm
17. Comment #218631 by D'Arcy on July 25, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Type 1.0: Globalism that includes worldwide wireless Internet access, with all knowledge digitized and available to everyone. A completely global economy with free markets in which anyone can trade with anyone else without interference from states or governments. A planet where all states are democracies in which everyone has the franchise.
18. Comment #218635 by David J on July 25, 2008 at 2:54 pm
19. Comment #218636 by Apathy personified on July 25, 2008 at 2:55 pm
20. Comment #218641 by JAMCAM87 on July 25, 2008 at 2:59 pm
we can all do without nationality
21. Comment #218642 by Steve Zara on July 25, 2008 at 3:00 pm
22. Comment #218645 by Lucas on July 25, 2008 at 3:03 pm
23. Comment #218680 by Jiffy on July 25, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I had managed to complete an erudite contribution, thought I had properly submitted it and somewhere it was lost in the ether. we have a long way to go before a type 1.0 internet! (And I thought we were on internet 2.0!). I'll try again if the red wine doesn't get the better of me.24. Comment #218702 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm
25. Comment #218705 by Jiffy on July 25, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Gathered my thoughts now. I really don't think a SOVIET scientist would advocate the type 1.0 definition: Globalism that includes worldwide wireless Internet access, with all knowledge digitized and available to everyone. A completely global economy with free markets in which anyone can trade with anyone else without interference from states or governments. A planet where all states are democracies in which everyone has the franchise". Didn't think the old Soviet republics were all in favour of free markets free of government interference!26. Comment #218715 by Apathy personified on July 25, 2008 at 4:06 pm
27. Comment #218720 by Dr Doctor on July 25, 2008 at 4:10 pm
28. Comment #218721 by Jiffy on July 25, 2008 at 4:11 pm
For the sake of argument let's suppose that in order to survive as a global species we have to halve carbon emissions now. Shermer advocates liberal democracies as the best means of achieving his 1.0 Utopia. However his own liberal democracy has been the biggest roadblock to progress in achieving such a reduction. What makes him think this will change, bear in mind his definition is that the global economy will work without interference from states or governments. How in the hell will you then stop trade that is harmful? How do you stop car use, inefficient coal power stations, airlines, or anything with a hefty carbon footprint if not through states or governments. Free trade is incapable of assessing the public good. If it sells well then the trade will continue, just like cheap air fares, gas guzzlers, even the cows reared on formerly rainforest land. None of this is good for the planet in the long run yet is the enescapable conclusion of unfettered free trade. In a liberla democracy the best we can hope to achieve is to ameliorate capitalisms' worst excesses through regulation. That means state interference. Sorry Shermer, your Utopia will be choking on its own exhaust fumes.29. Comment #218755 by Svetlana on July 25, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Maybe it will seem wildly for local community ;), but communistic (then - soviet)philosophers created similar speculations else 15-20 years ago. Only those speculations were more powerful. And your reasonings look like childish tales in compared with their brilliant theories. Moreover - they predicted (then! in those times) the collapse of so-called "socialism" in the world and they explained that "capitalism" in its common understanding didn't exist already in 50s of XX century. Further, they predicted that after the collapse of socialism and appearance the more or less homogeneous (in political and economical meaning) world (i.e. in fact - the world, which we have now), the world society will develop toward some global state, which resembles communism (Yes! :P), but not "capitalism". The increasing of communications in the world (including Internet) will help this development. And so-called "free market" will die out at last as absolutely needless thing.30. Comment #218756 by SPS on July 25, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Type 0.4...non-producing upper-class members.
31. Comment #218787 by Vinelectric on July 25, 2008 at 5:32 pm
32. Comment #218837 by zbob on July 25, 2008 at 6:26 pm
SPS and D'Arcy,33. Comment #218844 by zbob on July 25, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Svetlana,34. Comment #218854 by Rational_G on July 25, 2008 at 6:44 pm
35. Comment #218937 by hoops mccann on July 25, 2008 at 8:57 pm
36. Comment #218957 by theonlybap on July 25, 2008 at 9:49 pm
zbob --37. Comment #218970 by crabsallover on July 25, 2008 at 11:18 pm
38. Comment #218978 by Christopher Davis on July 25, 2008 at 11:37 pm
39. Comment #218987 by Shaka on July 26, 2008 at 12:30 am
It's a nice theory, but sadly it wont work.40. Comment #219019 by Ailes du Serpent on July 26, 2008 at 4:52 am
41. Comment #219020 by leodavinci on July 26, 2008 at 4:59 am
42. Comment #219029 by utelme on July 26, 2008 at 6:19 am
We're heading for a massive Die Off, as in Starvation. Of course, this is also part of nature
43. Comment #219032 by Dr Doctor on July 26, 2008 at 6:28 am
44. Comment #219033 by beebeeo on July 26, 2008 at 6:33 am
I generally like Shermer and I am a subscriber to skeptic but I don't get this article. I must agree that it is poor and does not provide any solutions. It just states the obvious, that we have to move towards a type 1.0 civilization but he fails to express how. A totally free market will not necessarily move us towards a better future. Where is the data to support that. I would think that governments would have to interfere in a way that forces companies to be more energy efficient and less polluting. If you introduce a strong selection criterium like a high carbon tax "natural selection" would take place and energy efficient products would be able to compete against cheaper but more polluting products. If something like that could be enforced globally we could be on the right track in almost no time but unfortunately the people are not aware enough of the problem to create the necessary political will. I remain a "fan" of Shermer but he is not providing any solution here.45. Comment #219038 by zbob on July 26, 2008 at 6:52 am
theonlybap,46. Comment #219049 by GBile on July 26, 2008 at 7:34 am
47. Comment #219084 by ordeneus on July 26, 2008 at 8:44 am
What absolute tosh! Free markets? Free trade? There's no such thing. Typical Libertarian nonsense from Mr Shermer. The panacea to our problems is not some Freedmanite implementation of laissez faire economics, policies which set human kind back and have never worked (except for the already rich & powerful who got there in the first place using policies he opposes).48. Comment #219085 by Fredrik Svanberg on July 26, 2008 at 8:45 am
Shaka,49. Comment #219092 by Border Collie on July 26, 2008 at 8:56 am
Sounds real good from a detached, global, from the moon, ivory tower sort of view but seems like a lowest common denominator, ant hill, termite mound, beehive, living in a cardboard box reality to actual people.50. Comment #219189 by Rasmus_Holm on July 26, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I thin Lucas is spot on. The nationstate will need to go. As I see it as globalization marches on the nationstate is replaced by larger political unions at first, like the EU, and ultimately with one truly global civilization.
1. Comment #218516 by JAMCAM87 on July 25, 2008 at 1:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkObvXY24tk
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