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Thursday, August 7, 2008 | Reason : Political | print version Print | Comments |

Document The best way to undermine the jihadists is to trigger a rebellion of Muslim women - and establish energy independence

by Johann Hari

Reposted from:
http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=640

So Thursday's Terrorist Threat turned out to consist of four lads from Leeds, Yorkshire and Aylesbury. Suicide-murder is something we used to associate with the refugee camps of Gaza, the rubble of Grozny, or the market-squares of Baghdad. Now we are confronted by something that looks like jihadism as scripted by Richard Curtis.

This story is filled with clichéd picture-postcard images of Britain: cricket-lovers, a fish-and-chip shop where one of the bombers worked, a friend who describes them as "sound as a pound" - and an ending set on a red double-decker bus. Nobody expected the story of the London bombs to turn into a wholly British production - Four Weddings and a Jihad - and it is bewildering.

There are no simple materialist solutions: these men were not poor, they were not persecuted, they were not personally humiliated. No; if we want to find explanations for why people living in safe suburban streets would act this way, we have to realise the extraordinary, intoxicating power of political ideas.

This is hard for most of us to grasp in a largely depoliticised culture where we are more likely to discuss Coke vs Pepsi than justice vs injustice. But we know that otherwise comfortable people abandoned their ordinary lives to kill and die for the ideologies of Empire, Nazism or Bolshevism; did anybody really buy that guff about the End of History? Like its predecessors, Islamism is a utopian ideology that says violence now is a necessary and heroic step towards creating utopia tomorrow. It turns your life from being a random, dull sequence of events into a central part of a huge and heroic story. With one leap of faith, the London bombers were no longer stuck working part-time in a chippie in Leeds; they were soldiers in the International Jihad, doing the work of Allah himself to liberate Muslim peoples across the world.

So if we want real solutions, we have to admit this is not a battle against a shadowy Islamist army that can be stopped merely through police or military means. It is a battle to discredit an ideology that is never farther than a click of a mouse away.

Undermining an ideology is far harder than tracking down a network of criminals. It took seventy years and fifty million deaths until nobody would kill or die for Bolshevism. And many of the paths we take from here could make the problem even worse. We have all seen the Rumsfeld approach. Fill screens across the Muslim world with the orange jumpsuits of Guantanamo and the Muslims-on-a-leash of Abu Ghraib. Piss on the Koran. Show them who's boss. The Galloway approach is just as dangerous: give them what they want. Meet Osama's immediate demands and hope they'll leave us alone. Both encourage the totalitarian ideology to spread faster, one by beating it with a bloody stick and the other by offering it a carrot.

But it is possible now to see realistic ways to defuse the ticking-bomb of jihadism. One of the central tenets of this ideology is the inherent inferiority and weakness of women. Every jihadist I have ever met - from Gaza to Finsbury Park - has been a fierce ball of misogyny and sexual repression. If you haven't spoken to these people, it is hard to explain just how obsessed with sexual apartheid they are. At least two of the London bombers refused to make eye contact with women outside their families. Image the sheer effort and repression that required.

The best way to undermine the confidence and beliefs of jihadists is to trigger a rebellion of Muslim women, their mothers and sisters and daughters. Where Muslim women are free to fight back against jihadists, they are already showing incredible tenacity and intellectual force. In Iraq, mass protests by women stopped the governing council from introducing sharia law in 2003. In Europe and America, from Irshad Manji to my colleague Yasmin Alibhai-Brown to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Muslim women are offering the most effective critiques of Islamism.

The jihadists themselves know that Islamic feminism is the greatest threat to their future - that's why, in Iraq, the "resistance" has been systematically hunting down and killing the leaders of Muslim women's rights organisations. No ideology can survive on terrorising half the population indefinitely. When it comes, the Islamic Reformation will be drenched in oestrogen.

There are dozens of practical measures that could be taken tomorrow to advance this cause. Positive discrimination for Muslim women in the West would be a start. Irshad Manji has proposed massive programmes of micro-loans at very low interest rates for women across the Middle East to launch their own businesses or farms. Similar funds are already transforming the gender politics of Bangladesh by giving women financial independence and the freedom to reinterpret their religious texts on their own terms. In time - over decades - they pass this moderation on to their sons, and some of the murderous tension fades. This is a plan for a long-term war on jihadism based on hope, not only on more bombs.

But we also have to deprive the jihadists of the propaganda-gifts that have been handed to them on a bloody plate over the past sixty years. The brutal face we have shown to most Muslims rests on a deal that was made on a very unromantic Valentine's Day in 1945, on board the USS Quincy in the Suez Canal.

President Franklin Roosevelt cut a deal with the tyrants running Saudi Arabia: give us secure access to your oil - a quarter of all the world's supplies - and we will ask no questions about what you do with the cash. Kill democrats? Provoke Islamism? If that's what you have to do to keep the oil flowing, then we're right there with you, buddy.

Similar deals were made with almost every other country in the region - and Roosevelt's bargain continues to this day. I have (reluctantly) begun to think that, until we are no longer dependent on Middle Eastern oil, no amount of pressure will make our governments support real democracy and women's rights in the region. The risk of another 1973-style oil-price shock will mean they will always support the "stability" of control over the gamble of proper democracy, no matter how enthusiastically the methods of control are rebranded or relaxed. Until we stop being addicted to the petrol and the status quo in the Middle East, we are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

If all this sounds a long way from the No 30 bus, remember: it is an idea - a whole way of understanding the world - that caused the attack, and it is the idea that must be undermined.

But - even if we get on to the right path - this is going to be a glacially slow, slow fight. There will not even be a Berlin Wall moment to show us we have won. But if we start now, by the time I am an old man we might - just might - be asking whatever happened to all that jihadism.



Feedback welcome at j.hari _at_ independent.co.uk

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1. Comment #225769 by Luthien on August 7, 2008 at 11:08 am

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The best way to undermine the confidence and beliefs of jihadists is to trigger a rebellion of Muslim women, their mothers and sisters and daughters.


Exactly! The suffragette movement in England was once officially considered to be the greatest threat to the British Empire (more so than the IRA). You can't fight 50% of the population when they are in your home, or share your DNA.

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2. Comment #225781 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 11:23 am

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Piss on the Koran


No, have a camel piss on the Koran

has been a fierce ball of misogyny and sexual repression


As evident from Joe.

the "resistance" has been systematically hunting down and killing the leaders of Muslim women's rights organisations.


I know a group of us briefly touched on this issue weeks ago, but I can't recall so I'll ask this any way. Are there (and how many) active Muslim women's rights group in the U.S. And are feminist groups doing anything about this? How active?

Positive discrimination for Muslim women in the West would be a start.


Amen. You know some missionaries (in the past) especially have risked their lives to travel the world with bibles in tow and spread their vomit, this seems like a much more worth while use of time. (Mainly by female rights organisations/supporters all around the world, since they have so much money and power)

President Franklin Roosevelt cut a deal with the tyrants running Saudi Arabia: give us secure access to your oil


And yet another reason for me to chalk him up as total fucktard.

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3. Comment #225783 by Diacanu on August 7, 2008 at 11:24 am

 avatarHey, this whole premise was stolen from stuff I said here.
I invented all of this.
I thought of everything!
Son of a bitch.
And I'm too poor to lawyer up.
Helplessly behind this keyboard, no one paying me..grr...
Fuckin' world.

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4. Comment #225792 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 11:34 am

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I think Al wrote this.


Hey, this whole premise was stolen from stuff I said here.
I invented all of this.
I thought of everything!
Son of a bitch.
And I'm too poor to lawyer up.
Helplessly behind this keyboard, no one paying me..grr...
Fuckin' world.


Really, it does sound like all of the more recent conversations we've had on various threads. We've put the energy out into the universe and it responded.. ;)

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5. Comment #225795 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 11:35 am

 avatarI WAS ROBBED!




Anyhow, the problem in the west is most Muslim women feel they need to defend the faith as a whole and don't feel they can spend time demanding more rights as Muslim women. This is because they may feel like traitors being divisive when Islam is under attack.

And women in many Muslim countries are so brutally oppressed that if they speak out they will be killed, and staying alive is priority number one.


Women are the key to two things for the west with regards to Islam:

1) Break its social stranglehold.

2) Revamp the economy by getting women into the workforce. There is money to be made through women's liberation, as soon as Muslim men figure this out, then more rights will be on the way. The dollar often speaks louder than the Qur'an.

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6. Comment #225796 by phil rimmer on August 7, 2008 at 11:35 am

 avatarDiacanu

I thought it was stolen from me!?

Hey, maybe we can start a class action?

Or maybe we'll just get our reward in heav.....no, wait.

Or maybe this is just great!

EDIT

Revamp the economy by getting women into the workforce. There is money to be made through women's liberation, as soon as Muslim men figure this out, then more rights will be on the way. The dollar often speaks louder than the Qur'an.


Al, this is really good!

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7. Comment #225798 by Hellene on August 7, 2008 at 11:37 am

 avatarI've been following this group of women from Afganistan from the time they where still under Taliban rule. In other words pre 9/11. Be warned the photo and video galleries are graphic.

http://www.rawa.org/index.php

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8. Comment #225802 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 11:42 am

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twp: Although I prefer blondes, the new platinum look is rather striking. Is that your sister?


Huh what are you talking about? My avatar? Those are my dogs!

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9. Comment #225809 by decius on August 7, 2008 at 11:53 am

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I WAS ROBBED!


Of your virginity? Please, do tell us.

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10. Comment #225810 by Apathy personified on August 7, 2008 at 11:53 am

 avatarWell thank fuck.
Finally, an article that admits that the current ideology is a major, if not THE major problem and gives a very good idea as a solution.


Until we stop being addicted to the petrol and the status quo in the Middle East, we are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Indeed - But we are probably decades from having a real alternative, especially at current funding levels.

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11. Comment #225817 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 12:00 pm

 avatarDecius,





It was a stripper named Candy, I was on a recruiting trip for baseball, it was on the floor of my hotel room...


Oh never mind.

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12. Comment #225837 by aquilacane on August 7, 2008 at 12:24 pm

 avataranyone who thinks empowering muslim women was their idea is a fucktard

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13. Comment #225839 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 12:28 pm

 avatarTIKI AL,




No I was in High School. I was scared of women up until then. And I have been scared ever since. Go figure.

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14. Comment #225840 by Friend Giskard on August 7, 2008 at 12:28 pm

 avatarHe called Ayaan Hirsi Ali a muslim. What an insult to an atheist.

trevok:
Although Johann Hari has a girl's name, he is in fact a fella.

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15. Comment #225851 by ina.j on August 7, 2008 at 12:38 pm

 avatarDiacanu and Phil Rimmer - I'm a lawyer, could be of help to you :) Free

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16. Comment #225880 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 1:11 pm

 avatarCrono454,





Johann means *EDIT* "God is merciful" in Persian.



*EDIT* Wait maybe it does mean "world"... Damn I can't remember.

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17. Comment #225881 by Spinoza on August 7, 2008 at 1:12 pm

 avatarFor the millionth time, religion and god-belief are two separate things. They are intimately psychologically tied together... but can be separated quite clearly and logically.

Ayaan Hrsi Ali is culturally a "Muslim woman" in the same sense that Richard Dawkins (admittedly calls himself) a "cultural Christian".

This knee-jerk ignorant stuff has got to go... There are atheists in every religion... the two are not mutually exclusive (psychologically, I mean).

One is a socio-cultural institutionalization of behaviour with for the most part, and admittedly, supernaturalist underpinnings.

The other is a belief.

One can ACT religious, adhere to a religion, and so forth, regardless of what one believes is the ultimate ontological status of the universe.

Quibbling over what so and so is or is not is absolutely stupid. EVERYONE knows Ayaan Hrsi Ali is an atheist. No one even insinuated that she wasn't. Only that she happens to have knowledge of being a Muslim. She could easily feign religious behaviour and knowledge. It's not like it's that difficult.

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18. Comment #225886 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 1:16 pm

 avatarSpinoza,




One is a socio-cultural institutionalization of behaviour with for the most part, and admittedly, supernaturalist underpinnings.

The other is a belief.

One can ACT religious, adhere to a religion, and so forth, regardless of what one believes is the ultimate ontological status of the universe





Exxxxqueeeeze me but how is Ayaan Hirsi Ali a "cultural Muslim". Dawkins is a cultural Christian because he celebrates Christmas and the like. I don't believe Ali celebrates Ramadan or Eid al-Fitr. She doesn't dress in traditional Muslim garb. Her lingua franca is not a Muslim language. She does claim to be Muslim in any way, precisely because she eschewed every single thing that was Muslim, she escaped it altogether.

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19. Comment #225888 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 1:17 pm

 avatarAl,

god is gracious.

edit for the pleasure of whacking

anyone who thinks empowering muslim women was their idea is a fucktard



[whacksmack]

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20. Comment #225893 by AllanW on August 7, 2008 at 1:21 pm

 avatarAs an absolute antidote to the drivel that people like Libby Purves writes, this article is bang on the money in my view. Johann Hari is getting better and good for him and for the likes of us who promote reason.

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21. Comment #225900 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 1:34 pm

 avatarTWP,





That would be the Germanic and Hebrew. I believe the Persian is pronounced closer to "Joohan" and may mean something else. It is dangerous to assume something in a semitic language will translate the same into Persian. I have been bitten before.

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22. Comment #225905 by Lev-CapeTown on August 7, 2008 at 1:46 pm

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Diacanu and Phil Rimmer - I'm a lawyer,

well it's a damn good thing you aren't religious or else you might of been destined for a long holiday in a very hot place when you die.

TWP, what happened to KRKBAB... ?

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23. Comment #225908 by maryam on August 7, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Al
I think the Persian word you are looking for is "Jahan" which means "world".

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24. Comment #225911 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 1:51 pm

 avatarMaryam,






Indeed. The transliteration is often screwed up. There doesn't seem to be a standard anyone consistently adheres to.


Thanks.

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25. Comment #225912 by ina.j on August 7, 2008 at 1:51 pm

 avatarDiacanu and Phil Rimmer - I'm a lawyer,

well it's a damn good thing you aren't religious or else you might of been destined for a long holiday in a very hot place when you die.
________________________________________

Lol, trust me - I am living in hell already. To find out in your late twenties that you have chosen a profession you hate is a definition of one :)

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26. Comment #225917 by squinky on August 7, 2008 at 1:55 pm

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We have all seen the Rumsfeld approach. Fill screens across the Muslim world with the orange jumpsuits of Guantanamo and the Muslims-on-a-leash of Abu Ghraib. Piss on the Koran. Show them who's boss. The Galloway approach is just as dangerous: give them what they want. Meet Osama's immediate demands and hope they'll leave us alone. Both encourage the totalitarian ideology to spread faster, one by beating it with a bloody stick and the other by offering it a carrot.
What a wingnut juxtaposition! Who here thinks that Galloway's approach is 'just as danderous' as Rumsfield's? Resistance is futile? Submit to Allah? Turn the other cheek? I would rather die in World War III defending the principles of a free and democratic society than capitulate. Who is with me? Clarification: I'm against the Iraq war (wrong enemy) but what if Abu-Ghraib and Guantanamo happened in Afghanistan? Leave the Taliban alone and hopefully, they'll just go away? These extremists will kill over a cartoon much less an orange-jumpsuited, leashed, pissed on Al-Qaeda member.

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27. Comment #225924 by Lev-CapeTown on August 7, 2008 at 2:00 pm

 avatarina.j

Well at least you have somewhere to vent after a day of hell. Was going to do law but then I decided I'm actually a good person.lol a combination of that and the pages and pages of bureaucratic documents you have to read. Rather you than me..

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28. Comment #225926 by phil rimmer on August 7, 2008 at 2:00 pm

 avatarComment #225851 by ina.j

Diacanu and Phil Rimmer - I'm a lawyer


Cool. But you do know that there are 37 of us?

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29. Comment #225933 by ina.j on August 7, 2008 at 2:06 pm

 avatarComment #225926 by phil rimmer on August 7, 2008 at 2:00 pm


Diacanu and Phil Rimmer - I'm a lawyer


Cool. But you do know that there are 37 of us?
____________________________________________

37 of ^%£ing lawyers or 37 folks to get their rights defended? :)

ps - how do you quote on this page?

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30. Comment #225935 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 2:07 pm

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TWP, what happened to KRKBAB


Ha! I dont know..Prob lurking around waiting for something to say to me. Remember he is here every day but doesnt post cause he types "real slooooow".

Or was it "reaaaal sloooooow"

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31. Comment #225937 by fizhburn on August 7, 2008 at 2:11 pm

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ps - how do you quote on this page?
This and many more useful bits of information are contained under the "[Comment Posting Guidelines]" link above the comment box.

Use [blockquote] and [/blockquote] except using <, > instead of [, ].

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32. Comment #225938 by ina.j on August 7, 2008 at 2:11 pm

 avatarComment #225924 by Lev-CapeTown on August 7, 2008 at 2:00 pm
_____________________________________-
Pages??? What pages?? It is volumes and volumes and volumes, hrrr. Glad I speared you a torture :)

Well, it's too much out of topic. I personally don't believe in possibility of Muslim women rebelling. I personally would love to lead a lifestyle of dependancy and protection. Spending your life with no more worries than taking care of some household matters... Hmm, I would like that.

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33. Comment #225939 by Apathy personified on August 7, 2008 at 2:11 pm

 avatarYou still on high 'whacksmack' alert whitepearl, or are you on stupidity surveillance?

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34. Comment #225941 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 2:16 pm

 avatarApathy,

Not sure I see a difference. Why do you have a candidate for a good whacking?

I'm always on stupidity surveillance and then i whack em.

Although we haven't really had any disturbances in the force today.

kkelly isn't here, joe hasnt posted, havent seen wooter in ages...bonzai hasnt been rude and tera is MIA...

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35. Comment #225942 by Lev-CapeTown on August 7, 2008 at 2:16 pm

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Remember he is here every day

Sounds like a quote from a scary movie. Wherever you go he is watching you!!!

His probably found your blog by now.lol. or maybe he is still busy typing the address.....

ina.j
Click on comment Posting Guidelines just above the comment box.

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36. Comment #225946 by Quetzalcoatl on August 7, 2008 at 2:20 pm

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Sounds like a quote from a scary movie. Wherever you go he is watching you!!!


Just when you thought it was safe to log on to RD.net.....

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37. Comment #225947 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 2:24 pm

 avatarLev,

Ohhh noooo.

He is weirdly obssessed with my name "hi mrs whitepearl, how are you pearl, why are you whacking people ms pearl..anyway back on topic..blah blah..oh yeah white pearl.."

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38. Comment #225951 by Apathy personified on August 7, 2008 at 2:25 pm

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Sounds like a quote from a scary movie
Ok, we'll all split up and go and hide in remote, dark places where nobody can hear us scream, that's the sensible thing to do.

whitepearl,
No, nobody who deserves a whacking, you could hit a few people for fun though.
There is a subtle difference - surveillance implies you are using ninja like skills in order to search for any possible stupidity but whacksmack alert is when you are SURE stupidity is imminent.

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39. Comment #225953 by Quetzalcoatl on August 7, 2008 at 2:27 pm

 avatarthewhitepearl-

if you hear any strange noises, especially if they're coming from dark places, it's best to go investigate them. They're probably nothing.

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40. Comment #225954 by Goldy on August 7, 2008 at 2:27 pm

 avatarMorning all. Morning TWP - see you're back to wacking. Sorry if it's all old news - time difference, you know. I'm in your future...be prepared for rain :-)
Wonder if this link is pertinent here?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7546322.stm

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41. Comment #225960 by Lev-CapeTown on August 7, 2008 at 2:33 pm

 avatarTWP

HAha I had to laugh at your summary of his post. I say summary because I think he used "mrs whitepearl" about 15 times more than that. I always try to imagine the person writing the post and try to see what angle they are viewing the topic from. But in his case he reminded me of a schoolkid trying to impress his teacher,mrs whitepearl, who he secretly has a crush on.

Maybe him and Joe learn their social skills form the same website..

nite all. Its 23:30 here on the tip of Africa. yawn

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42. Comment #225963 by Goldy on August 7, 2008 at 2:36 pm

 avatarNite Lev.
Another way to get these western Muslims to toe the line and appreciate Islam is to send them home as kids. Let them find out what their culture is really like back home (best do it quick before the western supported Wahabis stop by with their petro-money....)
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/misc/summer/sum.oldcount.asp

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43. Comment #225964 by Apathy personified on August 7, 2008 at 2:36 pm

 avatarGoldy,
I read that earlier - it's about bloody time they came out and said something like that - though i'm not sure if it'll have much effect on the 'current lot' (the ones still travelling to Pakistan and joining the radical mosques).

Btw, are we talking thunderstorm rain, drizzle rain or just average rain?

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44. Comment #225966 by Goldy on August 7, 2008 at 2:38 pm

 avatarEvening Apathy! Showers, mainly. Drive in was quite sunny. Seeing Auckland as one drives towards Harbour Bridge is quite nice when the sky is blue.
More showers are forecast, as well as cold temperatures...but luckily no storms :-) Hate storms, make my pool pretty much overflow!

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45. Comment #225968 by al-rawandi on August 7, 2008 at 2:40 pm

 avatarGoldy,





My aunt called me from NZ and said the winter has been absolutely terrible. The weather is just awful. I guess you are confirming that.

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46. Comment #225974 by Apathy personified on August 7, 2008 at 2:44 pm

 avatarGoldy,
Good morning to you sir :).
The problem is that it's your winter and our summer - yet the weather patterns are fairly similar, except we have (annoying) humidity, not cold and as of last night - thunderstorms.

Ok, so not that similar.

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47. Comment #225975 by Goldy on August 7, 2008 at 2:45 pm

 avatarIt is, Al. Absolute pisser. Been raining for over 40 days and nights. And the colds and flus going around have been rather virulent.
Still, not that dark going home anymore :-) That means summer is a-coming and I shall be able to try out the new pool :-)

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49. Comment #225978 by phil rimmer on August 7, 2008 at 2:47 pm

 avatarComment #225933 by ina.j

37 lawyers or....


37 people who thought of the idea (that empowering Muslim Women was the solution to the Islamic "problem") first....

Kind offer, but I think we've just been righteously whacked by TWP on a contract from aquilacane.

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50. Comment #225979 by thewhitepearl on August 7, 2008 at 2:47 pm

 avatarApathy,

Ha! What a good description. So that means today I am using my ninja like skills to survey the site for stupidity.

Quetz,

"the darkness is coming." I know that's prob an odd link to what you said but, it reminded me of the Silence in the Library episode.

Morning Goldy! [sigh] I wish we were getting rain.

Lev,

Ha ha! Maybe so...in any case it really did freak me out just a tad bit. G'Nighty night night!

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