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US school district sued over homophobic 'witch hunt'

by The New Zealand Herald

Thanks to Raiko for the link.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10528229

US school district sued over homophobic 'witch hunt'

FLORIDA - When a high school senior told her principal that students were taunting her for being a lesbian, he told her homosexuality is wrong, outed her to her parents and ordered her to stay away from children.

He suspended some of her friends who expressed their outrage by wearing gay pride T-shirts and buttons at Ponce de Leon High School, according to court records. And he asked dozens of students whether they were gay or associated with gay students.

The American Civil Liberties Union successfully sued the district on behalf of a girl who protested against Principal David Davis, and a federal judge reprimanded Davis for conducting a "witch hunt" against gays. Davis was demoted, and school employees must now go through sensitivity training.

And despite all that, many in this conservative Panhandle community still wonder what, exactly, Davis did wrong.

"We are a small, rural district in the Bible Belt with strong Christian beliefs and feel like homosexuality is wrong," said Steve Griffin, Holmes County's school superintendent, who keeps a Bible on his desk and framed Scriptures on his office walls.

Holmes County, in northwestern Florida on the Georgia line, has about 20,000 residents. There is some agriculture, but most people are employed either by prisons or schools; some commute to the Gulf Coast to work in tourism. Ponce de Leon, with fewer than 500 residents, has a cafe, a post office and an antique store.

Many in the community support Davis and feel outsiders are forcing their beliefs on them. Griffin, who kicked Davis out of the principal's office but allowed him to continue teaching at the school, said high schoolers here aren't exposed to the same things as kids in big cities like Atlanta or Chicago.

"I don't think we are that different from a lot of districts, at least in the Panhandle, that have beliefs that maybe are different from societal changes," Griffin said. The Panhandle is a region of northern Florida.

Gay rights activists said that's no excuse for what Davis did.

The problems began last fall when Davis, who did not return phone messages from The Associated Press, admonished the senior, who is identified only as "Jane Doe" in court records and whose friends say she doesn't want to talk about the experience.

The friends donned gay pride T-shirts and rainbow-colored clothing when they found out how Davis had treated her, and he questioned many of them about their sexuality and association with gay students. Some were suspended.

"Davis embarked on what can only be characterised as a 'witch hunt' to identify students who were homosexual and their supporters, further adding fuel to the fire," US District Judge Richard Smoak recounted in his ruling. "He went so far as to lift the shirts of female students to insure the letters 'GP' or the words 'Gay Pride' were not written on their bodies."

Heather Gillman, an 11th-grader who took part in the protests, complained to her mother, Ardena, a 40-year-old corrections officer and mother of three. Ardena Gillman called the ACLU, even though she knew people would be angry.

"I just felt like I had to stand up for the kids. Heather wanted to do this, and I had to back her," she said.

The ACLU sued in January, and Smoak ruled this summer that Davis violated Heather Gillman's rights.

"I emphasize that Davis's personal and religious views about homosexuality are not issues in this case. Indeed, Davis's opinions and views are consistent with the beliefs of many in Holmes County, in Florida, and in the country," Smoak wrote in an opinion released last month. "Where Davis went wrong was when he endeavoured to silence the opinions of his dissenters."

As Ardena Gillman suspected, the lawsuit created hard feelings in town.

A Wal-Mart worker yelled at her, accusing her of trying to "bankrupt" the school district, which was ordered to pay $325,000 in ACLU attorney fees. One of her friends has refused to talk to her because the lawsuit conflicted with the woman's religious beliefs.

Others flatly hail Davis as a hero.

"David Davis is a fine man and good principal, and we are a gentle, peaceful, Christian, family-oriented community," said Bill Griffin, 73 and a lifelong Ponce de Leon resident who is no relation to the district superintendent. "We aren't out to tar and feather anyone."

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1. Comment #234400 by LB on August 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

I hope David Davis gets hit by a Church van today and dies

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2. Comment #234402 by AtheistAspy on August 21, 2008 at 10:08 am

That's fucked up.

Some rules were made to be broken.

David Davis is a fine man and good principal, and we are a gentle, peaceful, Christian, family-oriented community," said Bill Griffin, 73 and a lifelong Ponce de Leon resident who is no relation to the district superintendent. "We aren't out to tar and feather anyone.

Christians seem to have no understanding of implicit bigotry. They don't think bigotry exists unless it's angry and in your face.

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3. Comment #234406 by Edamus on August 21, 2008 at 10:10 am

Wow, people are so stupid. It never ceases to amaze me how people are so scared of homosexuals as to create this "witch hunt."
Imagine, for a moment, replacing Gay with Jew or Black. Hell, even White. Now, Mr. Davis, don't you feel like a douche?

You don't? Oh that's right. You base your morality on desert scribblings... I forgot.

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4. Comment #234407 by wengerj on August 21, 2008 at 10:11 am

"We aren't out to tar and feather anyone."

No, you just want to silence everyone that doesn't share your primitive, narrow-minded belief system, and make them disappear.

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5. Comment #234409 by J Mac on August 21, 2008 at 10:12 am

Holy crap. I don't even know where to start with this one. When is Florida predicted to sink into the ocean? Not soon enough.

"gentle, peaceful, Christian, family-oriented community."

Oh yeah, you really proved that one.

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6. Comment #234416 by Naturalist1 on August 21, 2008 at 10:23 am

Yes...and all this from the people of the state who were THE pivotal desision makers in the original election of George W. Bush.
I thought their defining documents start with, "We the People". Just frigging outrageous.

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7. Comment #234420 by The Schuermannator on August 21, 2008 at 10:26 am

Absolute fucktardery. And I thought things were bad down here in the peninsula. This is an absolute disgrace to the educational institution. Public school. State funded. Their personal religious beliefs are irrelevant in a state school. A student went to her principal for help, and she was further persecuted by the one who's supposed to stand for the interest of the students! I'm curious enough to look up their school's Code of Conduct to see if it even has codes against discrimination based on sexual orientation.

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8. Comment #234421 by J Mac on August 21, 2008 at 10:29 am

Here's a curiosity.... This article was in the New Zealand Herald?

Is too much of the american media influenced by the fundies to publish this?

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9. Comment #234422 by Roger Stanyard on August 21, 2008 at 10:35 am

"We aren't out to tar and feather anyone."

Rubbish - they were out to tar and feather Jane Doe and did it effectively and brutally.

Duno about the others, but the more I see of this side of the USA, the more I feel utterly ill at ease with the country. It is nothing more than a latter day Salem Witch Trial backed by 17th century religious bigotry.

It stinks to high heavens.

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10. Comment #234426 by Sargeist on August 21, 2008 at 10:41 am

Christians, as a group, really do make me sick. It's always, "oh, look how lovely we are for saying that we still love you, even though you're a hell-bound sinner." Christians believe they are supposed to be good because their god wants them to be, but they seem to simultaneously shout about how lovely they are while being the most awful gits.

The rest of us can just go on being actually good without having to make a song and dance about it.

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11. Comment #234429 by Enlightenme.. on August 21, 2008 at 10:49 am

1. Comment #234400 by LB on August 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

I hope David Davis gets hit by a Church van today and dies

Charming, I've a good mind to flag that as offensive.

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12. Comment #234430 by kkelly on August 21, 2008 at 10:51 am

11, are you joking? He's alluding to an email Dawkins read aloud in Genius of Darwin.

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13. Comment #234435 by PaulJ on August 21, 2008 at 11:03 am

Comment #234429 by Enlightenme.. on August 21, 2008 at 10:49 am
1. Comment #234400 by LB on August 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

I hope David Davis gets hit by a Church van today and dies

Charming, I've a good mind to flag that as offensive.

It's a reference to an email RD received, and which he is heard reading out during the third part of The Genius of Charles Darwin.

It can be found here on RD.net.

EDIT: kkelly, you beat me to it.

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14. Comment #234438 by perkyjay on August 21, 2008 at 11:08 am

I couldn't help noticing the irony in the name of the High School. Ponce was a British word in the 40s for two things, a male homosexual and what is now referred to as a pimp. Just a thought from an old man.

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15. Comment #234441 by m-man on August 21, 2008 at 11:13 am

well i hope he gets hit by a church van and gets maimed, and slowly bleeds to death while staring up at the back of the bus, which has a bumper sticker that says 'jesus loves you'...
so yeah...how bout that..

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16. Comment #234442 by Shaden on August 21, 2008 at 11:14 am

"We are a small, rural district in the Bible Belt with strong Christian beliefs and feel like homosexuality is wrong," said Steve Griffin

Translation: We're a podunk little town that hopes civilization doesn't catch up with us.

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17. Comment #234444 by RigoJancsi on August 21, 2008 at 11:14 am

Just had a look at that high school's homepage. It's quite funny with this story as background, what they have come up with, this is part of their "vision":

"The Ponce de Leon High School administration, faculty, and support staff visualize literate students who are seekers of meaning and knowledge and are using this knowledge to satisfy their curiosity about life's complexities as they explore. These students will discover the old and compare it to the new as they strive to clarify their own identity and understand a world of many cultures and different beliefs.
As these students progress through the educational process, they will recognize their responsibility for changing conditions detrimental to human development, opportunity, and community. They will promote equity, tolerance, understanding, and acceptance of all people."

Charming, isn't it? Equity, tolerance, understanding and acceptance of all people...

Mr. Davis is listed there, too, with subjects American government and American history. Well, then he should know about witch hunts!

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18. Comment #234446 by Enlightenme.. on August 21, 2008 at 11:20 am

Re; Posts 12 & 13,
Thanks for pointing that out, and LB, please accept my apology for jumping to the wrong conclusion on your Irony-loaded post!

It's a good job I was saying I was minded to flag it, but didn't act on impulse.

I haven't watched part 3 of the Darwin prog yet, it's on video waiting for a non-flyable day over the bank-holiday weekend, and that's why I didn't catch the reference.

Cheers.

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19. Comment #234447 by Raiko on August 21, 2008 at 11:21 am

Wahoo, successfully submitted!

I found this particularly ironic:

David Davis is a fine man and good principal, and we are a gentle, peaceful, Christian, family-oriented community," said Bill Griffin

Family oriented? How is taking the decision of this girl to tell her family about her something as personal as sexual orientation family oriented. How is homophobia in general family-oriented. It's an excessively anti-family type of view to think you have the right to destroy the private business and happiness of other people's families (or prevent them from forming to begin with).

The hypocrisy blows my mind.

I couldn't help noticing the irony in the name of the High School. Ponce was a British word in the 40s for two things, a male homosexual and what is now referred to as a pimp.

Charming irony. :D

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20. Comment #234449 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 11:32 am

Many in the community support Davis and feel outsiders are forcing their beliefs on them.

We are a small, rural district in the Bible Belt with strong Christian beliefs

These are typical comments in this kind of case, and are wonderfully hypocritical. What about the female teacher in question - is she not also part of the community? Are the christians not forcing their beliefs on her?

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21. Comment #234451 by Enlightenme.. on August 21, 2008 at 11:38 am

I remember the derogatory word 'ponce', the meaning of that was taken to refer rather specifically to someone who acts in a showy, or 'in your face', possibly effeminate manner, or acting 'poncy'.
Only vaguely sexual-orientation specific, in other words.

It would also be used to goad somebody known to be hetero, who doesn't act in the requisitely masculine manner called for in certain situations.

..and now that kinda reminds me of Lily Tomlinson not being able to awaken Steve Martin in the court-room scene of 'All of me' and so acting masculine by scratching her balls and snorting. (to not 'look poncy')

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22. Comment #234453 by J Mac on August 21, 2008 at 11:42 am

"I've a good mind to flag that as offensive."

Even if it wasn't a reference to the letter read in the film, is that really something that warrants being flagged as offensive?

Damn. Is there a way to check how many flags someone has, because if that's all it takes I'm quite sure a majority of my posts have been flagged.

I don't feel any need to be respectful of someone as dimwitted and bigoted as this Davis fellow.

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23. Comment #234456 by mdowe on August 21, 2008 at 11:48 am

Re: Comment #234421 by J Mac

I have to second J Mac's comment. The behaviour reported is about what I've come to expect from the Bible-belt. The really odd thing here is that the article is in a New Zealand paper!

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24. Comment #234460 by mitch_486 on August 21, 2008 at 11:55 am

It all goes back the the original idea that there is some sort of underlying respect and tolerance for religion.

I was skathed the other day for pointing out the fact that Jesus, although plausible, may not have ever even existed. Not to mention his magic.
It's rampant here in Canada much as it is in America.
It's very difficult NOT to offend regular people about what I take to be for certain and factual.
The article being printed in a new zealand paper only backs up this sad fact, I would have otherwise never heard of it.

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25. Comment #234461 by saugbrewer on August 21, 2008 at 11:58 am

22-

J Mac, duly flagged.

I have to admit, I have a hard time not wishing harm on those who are so bigoted. Not particularly enlightened, I realize, but if that asshole were to be hit by a church van, would the world be a better or worse place?

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26. Comment #234465 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 12:04 pm

J Mac

Even if it wasn't a reference to the letter read in the film, is that really something that warrants being flagged as offensive?

Well, it wasn't quite a death threat, but would have still been a bit low had it not been tongue-in-cheek.

Would make it difficult for atheists such as Richard to complain about odious christian letters at lectures and via the 'Ugly' section as well when comments like this go unremarked.

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27. Comment #234471 by Ishruul on August 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Keep it up mister principa David Davis.

I bet if 2 or 3 more school's principal act like this retard, we'll have military-sexy-looking-angry-making-out-lesbians action on the news!!!

...have I just made a sex oriented stereotype intolerant comment? Oh well, I just love the imagery my cranium content can fantazise.

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28. Comment #234473 by Garnok on August 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Raiko said

It makes perfect sense if, when one says the word family, what they really mean is "I hate gays"*. In that sense what the principal did, which the community largely supports it would seem, is family- oriented.

Mind you, I never claimed it makes sense in the real world. Than again, as I've often been reminded by them, Christians only live in the real world but they are of somewhere else.

*Along with other things, equally ridiculous, of course.

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29. Comment #234475 by J Mac on August 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm

So if someone says "I hope he gets hit by an asteroid" do you really believe that the person saying that is going to go build a machine to attract asteroids to the earth?!

If christians sit around with each other saying "gee I hope RD gets hit by a van." Thats there own business. Sending a letter to him saying that is quite different. Anyone who cannot recognize the difference between venting about a bigoted fool such as davis and sending actual death threats is severely disturbed.

What's next, are we to be convicted of thought crimes. If I happen to imagine a van running over davis and I get a giggle out of it will the telepathic police come arrest me.

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30. Comment #234476 by saugbrewer on August 21, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Peace-

You just finished reading an article in which a man trusted with molding young minds betrayed a girl's trust and made her life a living hell. All because his completely illogical personal beliefs trumped his ability to show compassion and concern for a tormented 17 year old.

While I sometimes feel that the rhetoric on this site gets a bit nasty, a clearly sarcastic comment like the one is question hardly meets my definition of "odious".

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31. Comment #234479 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 12:20 pm

J Mac / saugbrewer - I recognise the irony of the comment and have no problem with it. Actually it raised a smile. I was responding to the hypothetical case if it were not.

This has nothing to do with 'thought crime': its something that was written on a public forum. Whilst I agree that its not as strong as writing a direct letter, it would still be an alarming thing to see written about oneself.

The other problem is that you just know theists like Robertson will use comments like this to show how nasty RD.net is.

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32. Comment #234482 by LB on August 21, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Re; Posts 12 & 13,
Thanks for pointing that out, and LB, please accept my apology for jumping to the wrong conclusion on your Irony-loaded post!

Apology accepted. I can understand that you thought it was a little distasteful given that you haven't seen The Genius of Charles Darwin part 3.

I absolutely pissed myself when Richard read out that email.

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33. Comment #234485 by J Mac on August 21, 2008 at 12:33 pm

"The other problem is that you just know theists like Robertson will use comments like this to show how nasty RD.net is. "

That's a fair concern, but I don't think it should go un-investigated.

Just because people like Robertson will quote-mine and cherry pick to make this site look bad does not mean we should pander to his wishes. Nor does it mean that he will fail to misquote and misrepresent people here even if everyone were perfect little angels.

I don't hold Robertson accountable for the foolish and hateful things said by other theists. I hold Robertson accountable for his own foolish statements.

If the reputation of this site in the eyes of people like Robertson is a concern to the site admins or a majority of this community then perhaps I should not come here, as I will not pander to him, nor will I walk on eggshells to make sure atheists can "look good" in the eyes of theists.

I do think we must be careful to live up to a worthy moral standard, but I feel no responsibility to live up to the theists twisted moral standard.

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34. Comment #234486 by saugbrewer on August 21, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Peace-

I oscillate rapidly between 1. feeling that I should treat even the most obnoxious religious cretins with respect to show that I am a mature, thoughtful person whose views should be given careful consideration and 2. wanting to smack idiots like Principal Davis with a mallet for such hateful, narrow minded bigotry.

I realize that the latter position won't win my views any converts but I rarely see the former approach getting any results.

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35. Comment #234493 by mdowe on August 21, 2008 at 12:41 pm

I sure as hell hope this poor girl's family aren't a bunch of raving lunatics. By 'outing' her to her parents, he may well have made her life an absolute living hell. The more I think about it, the more cruel his actions strike me.

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36. Comment #234497 by wouldbesakota on August 21, 2008 at 12:52 pm

Lifting a girl's shirt just to make sure she didn't write it on her body? Who's 'perverted' now?

what an ass.

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37. Comment #234498 by Steve Zara on August 21, 2008 at 12:52 pm

Comment #234400 by LB

Every post on this site should assume that it is being read by someone with no knowledge of the context.

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38. Comment #234499 by AlexAtheist on August 21, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Actually this story was covered by the main stream media here in the USA. As a gay man in the South, albeit a progressive university town, this is especially troubling to me but sometimes I think that those who live outside of the USA think that most Americans are a bunch of knuckle dragging religious troglodytes which isnt the case. Sure we have a strong religious tradition which I despise but Canada, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand all have more than their fair share of ignorant yobbos too you know. Things are moving towards the secular here, especially among younger people. In another generation or so the USA is going to be a much different place.

Here are two links to the story in the American news:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315392/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20080820/co_po/flatownsideswithexprincipalagainstlesbian

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39. Comment #234500 by mitch_486 on August 21, 2008 at 12:58 pm

I'm all-for respectful censorship, but with an article outlining that sort of irrational ideal, One should expect the context of our posts, given the nature of this website.

In otherwords, I am not surprised nor should anyone else be. All are clearly supporting this poor girl and critisizing that horrible man in one way or another.

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40. Comment #234501 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 12:59 pm

saugbrewer

I oscillate rapidly between 1. feeling that I should treat even the most obnoxious religious cretins with respect to show that I am a mature, thoughtful person whose views should be given careful consideration and 2. wanting to smack idiots like Principal Davis with a mallet for such hateful, narrow minded bigotry.

I would prefer 3. Do what you can to change the culture and laws so that idiots like David Davis are publically reviled and charged with criminal offences.

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41. Comment #234502 by HumanisticJones on August 21, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Pushing back red-eyed rage at the notion of someone being treated like that by a school authority figure and outed to her parents... A girl I consider close enough to be my sister went through having to out herself to her family. Its emotionally trying enough as it is for the person to do it when they're finally ready. I can only imagine the mental torture it must have been to have your most precious secret ripped wide open against your will like that. It registers to me as a kind of mental and emotional rape.

On a note of trying to lighten up my own mood from this, I find this statement laughable...

Griffin, who kicked Davis out of the principal's office but allowed him to continue teaching at the school, said high schoolers here aren't exposed to the same things as kids in big cities like Atlanta or Chicago.

Chicago I can understand, but I live in Atlanta. We're a drowning blue island in a sea of red state. To someone that's lived in about a third of the districts in Georgia, to hear Atlanta called a Big City makes me chuckle at how backwards that area must really be.

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42. Comment #234504 by mitch_486 on August 21, 2008 at 1:02 pm

I agree with you AlexAthiest.

Only I must point out the fact that we've also been brought up in countries that still have dominant religious influence, in a way we are desensitized to it all.From the outside looking in, it must be much more absurd.

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43. Comment #234505 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 1:04 pm

AlexAtheist

sometimes I think that those who live outside of the USA think that most Americans are a bunch of knuckle dragging religious troglodytes

I am careful to correct my British friends when they repeat such idiotic stereotypes. I have yet to meet an American who would meet that description. All the ones I've known for any length of time have been a credit to their country.

I also point out that youtube clips such as this one could be done in any country. The Australian makers could have found plenty in their own backyard, and it saddens me that Americans are seen to be fair game in this regard.

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44. Comment #234506 by mitch_486 on August 21, 2008 at 1:06 pm

HumanisticJones,

I find it funny for another reason. Kids not being exposed to the "big cities" only highlights how immature they are indeed. Like "big city" kids are somehow different than "small town" kids, in how they are treated and taught...

As if saying, he would have been kicked out if he were in a big city. make sense?

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45. Comment #234507 by AlexAtheist on August 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm

I'd also like to mention that whenever my foreign friends here make a comment about the religiosity of Americans I calmly point out that in the USA we dont trip overselves to be politically correct and appease Islam at the expense of our own safety and civil liberties as is often the case in other Western countries, especially the UK and throughout Europe. This is usually met with a stammering and nonsensical defense or silence.

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46. Comment #234510 by Corylus on August 21, 2008 at 1:16 pm

The friends donned gay pride T-shirts and rainbow-colored clothing when they found out how Davis had treated her,

That I found encouraging. Go back a few years ago and that would not have happened.

A nice healthy disrespect for authority misused. Good for them.

In the unlikely case that the girl in this story happens across this thread...

Sounds as if you inspire loyalty - special people do that.

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47. Comment #234511 by dloubet on August 21, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Those "outsiders" are the United States of America, of which you're members, you fucktards.

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48. Comment #234514 by larhule on August 21, 2008 at 1:27 pm

Since they announce that the faculty will have to undergo "sensitivity training" I thought you all would enjoy this stand-up bit from George Carlin:

"...after some police officers jammed a floor lamp up some black guy's ass and ripped his intestines out the police announced they're going to have "sensitivity training". And I say, 'Hey, if you need sensitivity training to be told not to jam a large cumbersome object up someone else's asshole then maybe you're too fucked up to be on the police force in the first place.'"

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49. Comment #234515 by 8teist on August 21, 2008 at 1:27 pm

"We aren't out to tar and feather anyone."

Well maybe not today..............posssibly later when no-ones watching....

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50. Comment #234519 by larhule on August 21, 2008 at 1:36 pm

The only cure for things like this is public ridicule and strong organized opposition. This guy needs a Wikipedia page documenting his shitty behavior and we need contact information for people in charge of him so we can ensure them that there are a large number who STRONGLY disapprove of such terrible behavior. And he's still a teacher?!?!? Un-fucking-believable. Homophobia is wicked.

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