The rise of Miliband brings at last the prospect of an atheist prime minister2. Comment #234414 by He'sAVeryNaughtyBoy on August 21, 2008 at 10:20 am
So let's asume Miliband becomes head of the "we support the working class folks, just so long as we don't have to do any of that work type stuff ourselves" Labour party, and we've got Nick Clegg leading the Libs. That's two out of three atheists.3. Comment #234417 by wengerj on August 21, 2008 at 10:24 am
I agree with petermun. It was a rather uplifting article to read. To bad the US is a long way from this kind of event taking place. We still have debate moderators asking about a candidate's relationship with jesus. Granted it wasn't a normal debate setting, but the fact that both Obama and McStain felt compelled to attend this debate annoyed me.4. Comment #234419 by jaytee_555 on August 21, 2008 at 10:25 am
In the words of the song, 'Wouldn't it be Loverly'5. Comment #234431 by perkyjay on August 21, 2008 at 10:56 am
What are the chances of Miliband making it to No.10 ? I haven't really had much to do with British politics since leaving the UK in 1957, except for a casual interest in elections. Much more interested in the Canadian scene and in hating the present federal government with a passion, mainly because of Harper's sneering attitude, which gets worse by the day.6. Comment #234433 by lozzer on August 21, 2008 at 11:02 am
7. Comment #234436 by hippee ki yay on August 21, 2008 at 11:07 am
Anyone got a link to the original survey of cabinet member's piety?8. Comment #234445 by Forti on August 21, 2008 at 11:19 am
9. Comment #234452 by Cartomancer on August 21, 2008 at 11:39 am
10. Comment #234454 by DamnDirtyApe on August 21, 2008 at 11:44 am
11. Comment #234455 by SomeDanGuy on August 21, 2008 at 11:48 am
Can someone clue in this yank on what "No 10" means?12. Comment #234458 by Steve Zara on August 21, 2008 at 11:53 am
13. Comment #234459 by asupcb on August 21, 2008 at 11:53 am
lozzer14. Comment #234462 by SharonMcT on August 21, 2008 at 12:00 pm
15. Comment #234463 by JAMCAM87 on August 21, 2008 at 12:00 pm
16. Comment #234464 by Steve Zara on August 21, 2008 at 12:01 pm
17. Comment #234466 by JAMCAM87 on August 21, 2008 at 12:05 pm
18. Comment #234470 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 12:10 pm
CartomancerWhat dark and vile deities Thatcher worshipped is anyone's guess however...You think Beelzebub herself worshipped another?
19. Comment #234472 by tieInterceptor on August 21, 2008 at 12:12 pm
20. Comment #234474 by Peacebeuponme on August 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Steve ZaraI think Clegg has been awful. He has managed to work hard to stay beneath the political radar.This is a real shame. I though he handled himself superbly in the debates he had when running for the party leadership. He seemed much more self-assured than previous liberal leaders, or indeed Gordon Broon.
21. Comment #234478 by Ishruul on August 21, 2008 at 12:18 pm
22. Comment #234480 by Mark Till on August 21, 2008 at 12:20 pm
23. Comment #234481 by Buddha on August 21, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I felt there was a glimmer of hope with Vince Cable in charge. He was the one who said that Gordon Brown has changed from Stalin to Mr Bean...
24. Comment #234492 by TIKI AL on August 21, 2008 at 12:40 pm
"Besides Richard doesn't understand economics all that thoroughly and therefore shouldn't be in a position to make important economic decisions" (13. asupcb)25. Comment #234495 by HumanisticJones on August 21, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Can someone clue in this yank on what "No 10" means?
26. Comment #234496 by steveroot on August 21, 2008 at 12:47 pm
14. Comment #234462 by SharonMcT on August 21, 2008 at 12:00 pm
This Canadian will tell you that Number 10 refers to the residence of the Prime Minister. It is located at Number 10 Downing Street in London.
27. Comment #234508 by Sargeist on August 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm
28. Comment #234513 by TIKI AL on August 21, 2008 at 1:24 pm
I am an American living 3 miles from the ASU Gammage Center where Richard spoke in Tempe, Arizona, and also know who resides at #10.29. Comment #234517 by clearthinker on August 21, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I thought the fact that people were atheists was irrelevant to how they lead, just as much as if they have a moustache is irrelevant to how they lead. Or at least that is what we are always told when great atheist leaders of the past are mentioned.....I guess Grayling can have his cake and eat it...30. Comment #234518 by decius on August 21, 2008 at 1:35 pm
31. Comment #234520 by Corylus on August 21, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Why don't you use the basic courtesy to post under a single moniker?Yes, you are right. That says a great deal about the Rev. David Roberston.
32. Comment #234523 by David A Robertson on August 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Sorry - force of habit....been so long since I was allowed to post under my own name....have got used to the new one. Such a despicable thing to do....shows what a dishonest, lying, thieving, ignorant, relgious troll I must be.33. Comment #234524 by Sciros on August 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm
34. Comment #234525 by AllanW on August 21, 2008 at 1:52 pm
35. Comment #234526 by decius on August 21, 2008 at 1:54 pm
36. Comment #234527 by Logicel on August 21, 2008 at 1:56 pm
37. Comment #234528 by Sargeist on August 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm
38. Comment #234529 by Logicel on August 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm
39. Comment #234533 by mdowe on August 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm
40. Comment #234535 by fizhburn on August 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm
41. Comment #234536 by Jesus Jones on August 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm
It's encouraging that politicians can openly assert that they are athiests, however just because they don't believe in one (or many) god's doesn't mean all their political policies are going to be well thought out and for the greater benefit of society. I doubt anyone can claim there haven't been a few pious leaders in the past (obviously not the recent past) who haven't been great leaders and who have brought great change and prosperity to their nation.42. Comment #234546 by David A Robertson on August 21, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Still waiting for an answer to the question - why is Stalins atheism as irrelevant as his facial hair but Millibrands is relevant?I'm flabbergasted that something like this is actually on the newspapers, it means that the atheist blow back against the theist attempts to gain political power is starting to pay off.
hip hip , hurray.
43. Comment #234547 by Eventhorizon on August 21, 2008 at 2:35 pm
44. Comment #234550 by Goldy on August 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Still waiting for an answer to the question - why is Stalins atheism as irrelevant as his facial hair but Millibrands is relevant?Whether somenone was religious or not is irrelevant - politicians are all the same. Never trust them!
45. Comment #234551 by theantitheist on August 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm
46. Comment #234552 by decius on August 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Still waiting for an answer to the question
47. Comment #234553 by Border Collie on August 21, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I'd doubt if any politician, atheist or not, could live up to that rosy forecast. I can't imagine it ever happening here in the US.48. Comment #234554 by Donald on August 21, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I liked this piece by Grayling. I had not noticed that Miliband was openly athiest, but I'm glad to hear it. I have mixed feelings about his suitability for PM. He seems to lack maturity to me. But at least he should be against the appalling "faith school" policy of Blair and Brown. That alone would encourage me to vote for him.49. Comment #234555 by Dinah on August 21, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I would love to think an atheist PM would have the guts to state that all religion has a dark, evil side, should be a private matter only, and have no place in public life, in politics or in the running of schools.50. Comment #234559 by bachfiend on August 21, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Was Clement Atlee an atheist? I would love him to have been one, great prime minister that he was, but the best evidence I have been able to find is his quote on Christianity: "Believe in the ethics. Can't accept the mumbo jumbo".
1. Comment #234405 by petermun on August 21, 2008 at 10:09 am
A great article - read it over lunch and it made a rather boring prawn sandwich much more enjoyable. AC Grayling was on "Desert Island Discs" recently - a very good listen but not available on the listen again facility.Other Comments by petermun