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1. Comment #236367 by Crono454 on August 24, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Dumb.

Even if this weren't dumb as a doorknob, do we really need a video that degrades women on our free thinking oasis? Just a thought. Obviously I'm not calling for censor, but this seems out of place, no matter how many misogynistic frat boys gave it "rave reviews"

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2. Comment #236374 by Layla Nasreddin on August 24, 2008 at 2:44 pm

*headdesk*

Way to reinforce the stereotype that atheism is something that only socially inept nerdy guys who can't relate to women as other than sexual objects are into!

Just my opinion, of course.

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3. Comment #236382 by DamnDirtyApe on August 24, 2008 at 2:48 pm

SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING AND PUTS IT ON YOUTUBE SHOCKER

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4. Comment #236388 by catskill on August 24, 2008 at 2:56 pm

I like girls, and girls in bikini's are even better, but I turned off this stupid video about halfway through. Besides the fact that it has terrible production quality, its also not funny.

The book does not sound much better. God's law violates due process? Ugh....

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5. Comment #236394 by notsobad on August 24, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Crono454
Degrades women? How?

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6. Comment #236425 by marcbarnhill on August 24, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Dignity in all things. You have to respect that.

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7. Comment #236441 by Paine on August 24, 2008 at 3:46 pm

If his book is as half-witted as his ad, it's a huge setback.
He'll just be another idiotic strawman for the likes of D'souza and McGrath to dine off for years to come. And we'll have to clean up after.

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8. Comment #236452 by ColdFusionLazarus on August 24, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I know nothing about the book, but I want to warn people about the nudity in this video.
There isn't any!
I'm truly disappointed, and I've had to look elsewhere for gratification.

I just felt I should warn you all.

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9. Comment #236461 by Ed-words on August 24, 2008 at 4:23 pm

The ad is too long. 30 seconds would have been

enough to make its point.

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10. Comment #236463 by J Mac on August 24, 2008 at 4:29 pm

I don't think I'd ever leave myself as open as Ed just did by saying in regard to a video of half naked women fighting:

"The ad is too long. 30 seconds would have been enough"

:o)

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11. Comment #236466 by Ed-words on August 24, 2008 at 4:36 pm

to J Mac - -

First, you compare sex to a rusty nail eye poke;( in a previous comment)

now you're confusing bathing suits with

"half-naked"!

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12. Comment #236470 by J Mac on August 24, 2008 at 4:39 pm

Ha. Ok, they're more than half naked.

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13. Comment #236471 by Animavore on August 24, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Sad.
I think I'll give the book a miss.

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14. Comment #236472 by eclampusvitus on August 24, 2008 at 4:41 pm

OK, it's dumb.

You want really dumb? Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg-9lnDJDB4

ECV

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15. Comment #236473 by Corylus on August 24, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Oh for pity's sake! What is this piece of dross?

Layla

Way to reinforce the stereotype that atheism is something that only socially inept nerdy guys who can't relate to women as other than sexual objects are into!

Just my opinion, of course.

Not only yours. :-)

Also reinforces the ridiculous stereotype that girls never know how to fight. Let any scrap reduce to the wrestling stage and you have already lost.

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16. Comment #236474 by Ed-words on August 24, 2008 at 4:43 pm

to J. Mac--

No - - - they're LESS than half naked.

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17. Comment #236488 by Wosret on August 24, 2008 at 5:29 pm

I've never understood the whole "girls fighting is hot" idea. I really don't see how. Especially with some douche bag onlookers. The only thing I can think of is that it is two straight women touching each other, while guys get to stand back and watch. I absolutely agree that that is demeaning to women.

Besides, I've seen girls fight before...it wasn't sexy at all. It was brutal.

I notice no one even says that about guys in wrestling, though I always found the idea of muscly greased up men play-fighting to be pretty gay. I've never understood how so many straight guys can like it. To my knowledge it isn't even something that is associated with gay guys liking it. Maybe that says more about me than wrestling.

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18. Comment #236494 by lister19 on August 24, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Would've been a little more entertaining if the audio quality weren't so poor...

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19. Comment #236495 by thewhitepearl on August 24, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Alright so I can tell how this thread is going to slowly evaporate into random chit-chat.

Mitchell,

Ok by far my fav av.

Geoff Henley
2205 N. Henderson Avenue
Dallas, Texas 75205
(214) 821-0222

go figure.

His office is not far from my apartment at all. When I return home I plan on, dare I say, showing up with a cricket bat?

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20. Comment #236503 by Border Collie on August 24, 2008 at 5:57 pm

About what I'd expect from a personal injury lawyer in Dallas. This is why I live in Fort Worth.

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21. Comment #236538 by Flo on August 24, 2008 at 6:51 pm

catskill, #236388:

I like girls, and girls in bikini's are even better, but I turned off this stupid video about halfway through. Besides the fact that it has terrible production quality, it's also not funny.

Yes, that's exactly how I experienced that video and feel about it.
A waste of space and time on this otherwise great website. There must be thousands of interesting articles on the web that deserve more attention.

But then again... mightn't it be important to know that stuff like this is out there? Hm...

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22. Comment #236541 by thewhitepearl on August 24, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Border,

Yup a PIP lawyer from fort worth would have a commercial involving cows, longhorns and the stockyard instead of the girls. ;)

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23. Comment #236544 by mordacious1 on August 24, 2008 at 7:09 pm

So that's what atheist women from Dallas are like?

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24. Comment #236547 by Quine on August 24, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Not happy about this.

I was hoping that the first half of the book title "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" would be available for RD's next work on evolution.

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25. Comment #236549 by stephensmith on August 24, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Interesting that the book has been out (in both paperback and hardback) since at least June, but the Amazon listing has zilch editorial or customer reviews.

The short excerpt on the author's web site is reasonably entertaining and decently written, so it might be an OK book: http://www.geoffhenley.com/excerpt.htm

On the other hand he does seem obsessed with the sexy girls motif for hyping the book: http://www.geoffhenley.com/book.htm (scroll down for further video links)

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26. Comment #236553 by Skep on August 24, 2008 at 7:21 pm

Lame. I kept waiting for the witty pay off, the contrast, where the two hot women show they are smart and can have a intellectual debate.

I'm all for attractive people in skimpy clothes but count me among the people who find themselves un-sold on the idea of reading the book based on the fact that the author thought this over-long, poorly produced, unfunny ad was a good idea, so much so he created a smug press release around it.

Fail.

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27. Comment #236558 by thewhitepearl on August 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Mordy,

I'm telling you people here are something else. I intend to find this author and tell him I need to be in the next video.

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28. Comment #236560 by J Mac on August 24, 2008 at 7:41 pm

"Lame. I kept waiting for the witty pay off"

Witty pay off? I was waiting for the wet clothes to come off!

"I intend to find this author and tell him I need to be in the next video."

**Let's imagination run wild***

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29. Comment #236562 by thewhitepearl on August 24, 2008 at 7:47 pm

**Let's imagination run wild***

He just remembered we're newly networked facebook friends.

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30. Comment #236566 by chuckgoecke on August 24, 2008 at 7:56 pm

This seems like a slightly desperate and amatuerish attempt to promote his self published book. Good for him! He's already done more to promote rationality than I've ever done. He may do a much better job connecting to Joe Average than Richard, Christopher, Sam and Dan combined. Its not that I have high hopes for NASCAR dads, but they are a big block that would be nice to get a few percent of, over to rationality. He comes out of a group, the lawyers, that are naturals at being, on average, better communicators than your average science nerd type, which I consider myself to be. I hope his book is good, which there's no reason it shouldn't be, since he got the answer right.

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31. Comment #236572 by J Mac on August 24, 2008 at 8:05 pm

"Its not that I have high hopes for NASCAR dads"

I do. I hope they go extinct, along with soccer moms.

Perhaps universities should sponsor NASCAR. The Ivory Tower car....

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32. Comment #236578 by b0ltzm0n on August 24, 2008 at 8:30 pm

How embarrassing that this is the first article of the many I've submitted to be posted on richarddawkins.net. I did preface the submission email with, "I'm uncertain if this is news worthy, and my opinion is that the video sucks..."

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33. Comment #236583 by J Mac on August 24, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Well the timing is good. Posted at the same time as the article about the nun pageant.

Both the atheists and the church are using sex to sell.

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34. Comment #236595 by adamhaar on August 24, 2008 at 9:12 pm

Re: 14. Comment #236472 by eclampusvitus
Yeah, that was pretty dumb, but it lead to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR8MGAsidFI
which was quite funny.

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35. Comment #236597 by mordacious1 on August 24, 2008 at 9:14 pm

It's b0ltzm0n, let's get him! (stomp, stomp)

Just kidding, Darron.

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36. Comment #236599 by Appleby on August 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Maybe there is some truth to the claim that some people are trying to cash in on the recent atheist book craze.

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37. Comment #236600 by Don_Quix on August 24, 2008 at 9:18 pm

I see nothing wrong with two women arguing while wearing bikinis. Although their arguments may have been more compelling had they been wearing nothing at all.

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38. Comment #236604 by headcold on August 24, 2008 at 9:35 pm

I don't see what is wrong with someone recognizing that sex sells and using it to make a completely absurd promotional video. We did watch it after all, and that's literally the main point.

Lighten up. You're making us look bad. It's hot chicks in bikinis, and it's secular. Win win.

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39. Comment #236661 by Sargeist on August 25, 2008 at 3:05 am

It appears that following biological imperatives to find semi-clad women attractive actually leads to our treating them as nothing but objects for our own gratification, thereby reducing their worth as humans in their own right, and unavoidably perpetuating the view that women are some kind of property.

You know, I'd almost be convinced, if it weren't for the fact that I also look at men in the same way, on occasion.

Update: I forgot to mention that, actually, the story does not appear for me, and I see only a bunch of SQL errors. The bloody moral majority has struck again!

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40. Comment #237980 by tgbarton on August 27, 2008 at 1:22 pm

I view women in many enlightened ways in addition to viewing them as sex objects. I will involuntarily curtail the latter when they stop wearing revealing clothing, cosmetics, perfume, and marrying rich men who are immensely older and uglier than they are.

However, that was a fantastically unfortunate advertisement for something with "reason" in the title.

P.S. Search for "Geoff Henley" on YouTube to find the video if it doesn't show up above.

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