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Document Michael Coren: Stéphane Dion finds God

by National Post

Thanks to Chris Way for the link.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/08/25/michael-coren-st-233-phane-dion-finds-god.aspx

Michael Coren: Stéphane Dion finds God

Last week, the leader of Her Majesty's loyal opposition — Liberal chief Stéphane Dion — sat down with me for a one-hour interview on my TV program, The Michael Coren Show. Within the first 10 minutes of the discussion he made several mentions of God. These weren't passing phrases or clumsy slang but obvious, absolute references to the entity so fashionably unfashionable in left-wing circles these days. You could have knocked me down with a Gospel tract!

He was, for example, anxious to "reconcile people with God's environment" and was committed to the planet "given to us by God." Which is somewhat surprising. The deity is not a popular debating point for Liberal leaders. Actually, the Supreme Being is mentioned by ambitious Liberal politicians about as often as Brian Mulroney's good points. So I was rude enough to ask Mr. Dion if he was doing this — sounding religious — because he had been told that the station on which my show appears each night, CTS, was faith-based. Frankly, I expected him to deny, obfuscate or simply lie. It says a great deal about the man's integrity as well as his innocence that he replied on air with a simple, "This is true." A pause, then, "I have been told that this is important to the people who watch this show."

Which is why he had mentioned God more often in the space of five minutes than most Liberals do in five parliamentary sessions. In fact, his people had it wrong. Although the network itself is broadly faith-based, much of its schedule has no religious content at all, and my program is a current affairs show with an audience of more than 200,000 people, the majority of whom do not identify with any particular faith. We feature social activists, politicians and authors rather than pastors, priests and bishops. But the point is that Stéphane Dion was badly advised and — this is important — willing to tell the truth about that advice on national TV.

When Stephen Harper won the last election and ended his victory speech with, "God Bless Canada," there were many column inches devoted to how he was introducing American, un-Canadian and fundamentalist values into a country that is devoted to the separation of church and state — which, of course, is not a Canadian principle at all but is quintessentially American and is concerned with protecting Christians from government, not the other way around. Dion was not the Liberal leader at the time and such foolishness is not his fault. But surely God has not joined the Liberal Party of Canada.

I pushed a little further. Is this God of whom you speak an important factor in your life? "It is part of the hope I have" was the reply. "A creator who is full of love. I hope this is true. I am a man of hope. I will play hope but Stephen Harper plays fear." Aha. So it's less the God of strength, love, judgment and mercy who is the eternal alpha and the omega, but rather the postmodern godhead of secular niceness who we hope might be the ABC of solving our social and economic problems.

There are worse people to worship. Or pretend to worship. And there are far worse people than Stéphane Dion, a profoundly decent man who is a perhaps the most honest leader of his party in living memory. Being a prime minister, however, requires more than Canadian niceness. Sadly, it requires steel and guile.

After the show, Dion asked about the denominational breakdown of those of our viewers who are Christian. "You see, the Catholics can be relied on to vote Liberal, always, but the Protestants much less so," he explained. "It's very difficult to get them to vote for us. I am a Catholic." As were Trudeau, Chrétien and Martin. Men who championed abortion, same-sex marriage and many other policies that ran counter to basic Catholic teachings. In other words, they were Catholic by birth but Liberal by belief and works.

His words seemed so naive, so vulnerable to critique, so — forgive me Mr. Dion — callow and such a product of inexperience. Goodness it's hard not to like him but it's equally hard to imagine him being tough with our enemies and careful with our friends. He listens to well-meaning but weak advice and then admits that he's been moulded for the moment. Canadians generally expect more from their political masters and that God chap expects more — even from Liberals.

National Post
Michael Coren is an author and broadcaster.
www.michaelcoren.com

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1. Comment #236841 by JamesDB on August 25, 2008 at 12:35 pm

 avatarGood Article, I didn't realize that stephane dion was this honest about his tactics to win elections. As a canadian i think that if he continues to be up front with why he is doing what he is doing he might swing me back to the liberal side of canadian politics.

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2. Comment #236845 by Ishruul on August 25, 2008 at 12:55 pm

 avatarErrr....I think he has spent too much time with Georges Bush-lite.


It says a great deal about the man's integrity as well as his innocence that he replied on air with a simple, "This is true." A pause, then, "I have been told that this is important to the people who watch this show."


It really isn't integrity to whore oneself with the intention of gaining popularity over the viewers.

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3. Comment #236854 by robotaholic on August 25, 2008 at 1:15 pm

 avatarI'm so sick of liberal people getting godly - recently it's a plague

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4. Comment #236862 by InfuriatedSciTeacher on August 25, 2008 at 1:31 pm

"the separation of church and state â€" which, of course, is not a Canadian principle at all but is quintessentially American and is concerned with protecting Christians from government, not the other way around. "

hmm... interesting take on that... while one might be able to claim that the intent of the Establishment clause is indeed to protect faith, it does it in all forms and the phrasing necessitates that nothing resembling a theocracy comes about. The author seems to be implying more along the lines of "this is a Christian nation, dontcherknow" (perhaps just my bias in interpretation) and missing the wider and more important applications of the clause, which should keep religion out of politics altogether.

3. A bit tired of that as well... I'd be more inclined to vote for Obama if he and his pastor hadn't brought their religion into the forefront.

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5. Comment #236887 by Andrew Stich on August 25, 2008 at 1:56 pm

Ishruul,

Politicians in prominent positions, such as Dion, are required to play to the expectations and inclinations of viewers in order to advance yet further. While it is true that this shouldn't be so in the first place, what sets Dion apart is that he will admit to his pretending, in a completely honest way. That is what takes integrity.

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6. Comment #236925 by skip on August 25, 2008 at 2:27 pm

 avatarMichael Coren is disingenuous when he describes the network his show is on as "much of its schedule has no religious content at all".

CTSTV - Crossroads Television System
Christian and family oriented programing for Canadian television.
www.ctstv.com/

CRTC regulation require religious broadcasters to provide alternative content to the main religious message they broadcast, so they show reruns of "Happy Days" "The Facts of Life" and "Touched by an Angel". Ahh family values! Fonzie would roll over in his grave if he knew!

Stephan Dion was, in fact, well advised that this was a Christian show with a primarily Christian audience. I am disappointed that he pandered though. My guess is that Coren does not like being 'tagged' as a Christian broadcaster as it diminishes his ability to make comment and be taken seriously. And we shouldn't take him seriously at all.

Here is Coren's Speaking schedule for the fall of 2008.

Sept 7, 2008 - Nashville Road Community Church
Sept 16, 2008 - Hamilton Churches for Israel, Burlington, Ont
Sept 17, 2008 - St. Paul's Parish, Alliston, Ont
Sept 20, 2008 - Everything Must Change, Oakville, Ont
Oct 4, 2008 - Manning Centre, Ottawa, Ontario
Oct 12, 2008 - St. Hilda's, Oakville, Ontario
Oct 18, 2008 - Manning Centre, London, Ontario
Oct 19, 2008 - St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Whitby, Ont
Nov 1, 2008 - Men's Family Life Conference, Ontario

Yup, they're all Christian meetings...

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7. Comment #236932 by CocoCantare on August 25, 2008 at 2:35 pm

 avatar"The author seems to be implying more along the lines of "this is a Christian nation, dontcherknow" (perhaps just my bias in interpretation) and missing the wider and more important applications of the clause, which should keep religion out of politics altogether."

My thoughts as well, IST. I definitely think that is what he has implied. I'm beyond tired of "this is a Christian nation. . ." rhetoric from family, friends, and especially politicians.

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8. Comment #236933 by Linda on August 25, 2008 at 2:36 pm

I saw this episode on my TV and nearly choked when Dion repeatedly used the word 'God'. When he ran for the Liberal Party leadership the man projected an image of an Atheist intellectual. Given that he is a Sociology prof. that made sense. Someone back then asked what he did on Sunday mornings and Dion replied 'go skiing with my family'. A very good answer.

How truly sad that the man must lie for Jesus in order to be taken seriously by the truly dumb and deluded. I am still voting Green.

Michael Coren is a fundamentalist, born again Roman Catholic. He boasts about his 4 children and what it costs to send them to private schools for that cult. A few weeks ago he was ranting about being forced to learn Judaism as a child thanks to his parents. Again that was another choking moment for me as he is doing exactly the same things to his kids. The man is a bully too it seems with little or no social compassion. I watch to know the enemy.

Sometimes I think of writing to Coren and saying you don't really believe Our Lady of Fatima is a good name for high school do you?

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9. Comment #236945 by perkyjay on August 25, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Ishruul: If you knew Stephane Dion, you would know that he is the absolute antithesis of George Bush. Now Stephen Harper, presently Prime Minister of Canada, but, one hopes, not for long, is known in Canada as 'Bush-lite'.

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10. Comment #236965 by mdowe on August 25, 2008 at 3:21 pm

 avatarIt is notable that the current PM Stephen Harper is an Evangelical Christian, so I expect Michael Coren could well have had a vested interest in making Dion look bad. However, to his credit I think Coren's observations about Dion are more or less fair (or at least civil). In any case, Canadians seem to prefer that their politicians keep personal religious views quiet, so playing the religion card in Canada is likely to be political suicide. Dion's difficulties communicating in English in a predominantly English country are his greatest liability, not his unconvincing 'God is hope' religious evasions.

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11. Comment #236967 by bubbaj30 on August 25, 2008 at 3:22 pm

I remember watching a small biography on that prick (coren). He said he was converted while watching t.v , he happened to flip to a televangelist program and it was jesus from there. (If i remember correctly.)

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12. Comment #236979 by SamKiddoGordon on August 25, 2008 at 3:42 pm

 avatarLiberals are in freefall under Dion. I used to vote for the green party until Elizabeth May went all god goofy. Harper is best for the Job, but wish he would stuff the dog bit.

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13. Comment #237001 by D'Arcy on August 25, 2008 at 4:36 pm

 avatar
Harper is best for the Job


Surely not the Book of Job?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job

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14. Comment #237020 by kraut on August 25, 2008 at 5:27 pm

"Harper is best for the Job "

Yes, if you want a bushite neocon warmongerer on the job - I agree.
Give him an unrestricting majority and we might wind up in Iran, its after all too late to join the Iraq crusade.

Other than that - where's the rhino party when you need it.

Harper, Dion - are there only fucking godbotherers
out here in Canada now too?

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15. Comment #237027 by Bonzai on August 25, 2008 at 5:41 pm

At least it seems Dion doesn't really believe in the BS, he only did that for PR and was apparently upfront about it. That is not so bad.

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16. Comment #237035 by Rob Janzen on August 25, 2008 at 6:14 pm

perkyjay

I had to laugh a bit at the irony I found in your comment. If memory serves, Ishruul is from La Belle province. If that is in fact correct, it's likely he knows Dion at least as well as you do.

Everyone

but is quintessentially American and is concerned with protecting Christians from government, not the other way around.


I believe this quote refers to the idea that the separation of church and state was to protect christians from christians. After all, if one group of christians got control of government, then they might make it a crime to interpret the myths differently! My understanding is that people who believe this don't "recognize" the secular intentions of it's writers.

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17. Comment #237039 by SRWB on August 25, 2008 at 6:26 pm

Methinks that mdowe's comments are pretty much on target. Harper is clever enough not to play up his religious belief, but he's also honest enough to admit he has them; whereas Dion will play to zealots like Coren and come off looking slightly less trustworthy (and language IS his biggest problem).

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18. Comment #237044 by Wosret on August 25, 2008 at 7:02 pm

 avatarDion is my man. Can't say that I like him. I find him too timid, and his inability to properly articulate himself in English leaves him saying things that are used as sound bites to make him look bad later. Beyond that he is definitely the best available guy we have, and I'm more interested in the party's political stances and goals than anything else. He's got my vote, though I doubt he'll beat Harper, in fact, I'm quite sure he won't.

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19. Comment #237094 by DalaiDrivel on August 25, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Mitchell Gilks,

"He's got my vote, though I doubt he'll beat Harper, in fact, I'm quite sure he won't."


I'm impressed by your sense of principle. Democracy is pointless, even regressive, without principle and honesty- voting for who you want.

I hope they'll include the Elizabeth May in the Leader's debates.

I think I will vote Green, for my values. I will have to do my research however. Overall, my vote may be pointless in the context of the election, but valuable at least to democracy.

Plus, there's always funding distributed on the basis of votes. I'd like the maximum to be won away from the Terrible Tories!

And hell, maybe one day we'll wake up and move beyond a fucking first-past-the-post joke. Who knows? The processes of election our oyster!

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20. Comment #237096 by Laurie Fraser on August 25, 2008 at 10:43 pm

 avatarDalai Drivel - you don't have a preferential system in Canada?

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21. Comment #237104 by beanson on August 25, 2008 at 11:00 pm

 avatarWanna be ruler of Canada?

Suck jesus cock

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22. Comment #237131 by GarrickW on August 26, 2008 at 12:50 am

Dalai Drivel - It pains me to say it, but voting for who you want is pointless, even regressive, when you have a ridiculously poor voting system like the one in Canada. I come from Canada, though I now live in Germany, and I know that had I stayed in the region of my birth, a vote for anything would have been pointless (particularly Greens, as I would have voted). I lived in the Outaouais, the region that, as the locals put it, "Would elect a pig if it ran under the Liberal Party banner."

Tactical voting, while against the true spirit of democracy, is the only way to *possibly* ensure there *might* be *a little bit* of progress. What Canada (and the USA) needs is major electoral reform. It would also stop travesties like the Bloc Québecois getting twice or thrice the seats that the NDP gets, even though the NDP gets a much greater percentage of votes than the Bloc does. In 2006, BQ got 10,5% and NDP got 17,5%, but the Bloc got 51 seats and the NDP 29 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Canadian_federal_election#Overall_results). Talk about provincialism.

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23. Comment #237147 by rod-the-farmer on August 26, 2008 at 3:49 am

 avatarWe Canadians have a long tradition of not voting people "in". We vote people "out". Harper (please dog) is on his way out. Coren is a slimy 'personality', who has turned my stomach ever since he first appeared on radio and TV. Dion may have his faults, but anything would be better than another term with Harper and his idiots, like Flaherty.

The electoral reform mentioned by GarrickW in Comment # 22 has to come from the voters. So far it is not getting enough support. I can't see politicians in power deciding to change the way they came into power. Bad as it may be, I prefer it to the endless campaign of our neighbours to the south, the voting fraud (see "Hacking Democracy") and that strange creature called the Electoral College.

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24. Comment #237159 by Ishruul on August 26, 2008 at 5:38 am

 avatarre: 16. Comment #237035 by Rob Janzen
re: 5. Comment #236887 by Andrew Stich

Sorry Andrew, I did a typo naming Bush (forgot the a.k.a Stephen Harper after it).

And just for the fun of it, I met Stephane Dion in 3 separate occasions, in my humble opinion, he's just a douche sucking up to the voters who can't even get along his own party..

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25. Comment #237165 by skip on August 26, 2008 at 5:52 am

 avatarRod the Farmer said: "We Canadians have a long tradition of not voting people "in". We vote people "out"."

Bingo! It's true. as I do believe it is time for Harper to be moved out.

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26. Comment #237195 by SamKiddoGordon on August 26, 2008 at 7:21 am

 avatarDion would flush our economy down the drain faster than anything I can imagine. Harper has done what he said he would do, and not be wishy washy about it, just wish he was secular.

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27. Comment #237308 by 24fps on August 26, 2008 at 10:35 am

Just want to point out that the Notional Pest, er, sorry, National Post is a right wing propagandist rag, and that Michael Coren is a notorious right-wing provocateur. I would recommend a large grain of salt to accompany either, and two or three when you combine them.

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28. Comment #237530 by DalaiDrivel on August 26, 2008 at 4:57 pm

GarrickW,

Granted. People like to ensure their votes are not wasted.

I still disagree with strategic voting as an (un)ethical proposition, as an enormous boon to competitive parties and detriment to minor parties within constituencies, and as a precedent to politicians who, seeing that voters are content to cast ballots dishonestly, need not really express interest in a system that rewards honesty,

At least with honest voting, funding is honestly distributed, and media, lobbyists, and the public, as well as public organisations have reason to raise a fuss, stir and consolidate public opinion, and apply pressure on a government during its term to introduce legislation.

Strategic voting may not be pointless in the elections themselves, but I'm not sure how useful it proves after the fact and during a government's term.

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29. Comment #237700 by padster1976 on August 27, 2008 at 3:57 am

 avatar'they were Catholic by birth'

*wince*

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30. Comment #237853 by shad0w on August 27, 2008 at 10:08 am

This was basically a hit-job on Dion by a right-wing religious nutball because we will most likely have elections in the fall, and the current Bush-lite PM has been plagued by scandal after scandal in the last few months.

Here in canada we have the equivalent of the U.S 'red south' in our western provinces although thankfully not nearly as radical as the U.S equivalent.

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31. Comment #238198 by SamKiddoGordon on August 27, 2008 at 6:24 pm

 avatarI live in Canada's western provinces, and I am not in the religous nut job crown so dont lump us all together. Just think that a majority of us have been lead down the wrong path that was laid by our forefathers, and just need a little more worldly view and a secular education.

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32. Comment #239482 by Mark R on August 29, 2008 at 6:00 pm

 avatarMichael Coren is only out to make himself look good. I was a guest on his show back in February of this year and would not go back if they paid me. A christian network with one motive and that is to make money. Justin Trottier of the CFI Ontario has been appearing on the show from time to time as part of the panel.

I went to hear a debate run by a Chistian Creationist group in Whitby Ontario in Feb as well and their was Michael Coren trying to sell his books. He was supposed to have been the host but showed up late.

His comments to me were that these people here are Mad.... so ironic isn't it ...there he is trying to sell them his books. Who is the mad one really.

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