The heretic2. Comment #237178 by theocide on August 26, 2008 at 6:53 am
Wow, I can barely remember where I left my keys!3. Comment #237184 by Cartomancer on August 26, 2008 at 7:04 am
Rowland apparently doesn't agree, downplaying Bruno's contact with figures like the Elizabethan "magician" Dr. John Dee and arguing that Bruno's idea of magic was "pointedly natural and physical" rather than occult.I'm not comfortable with applying that distinction to the thought world of sixteenth century Europe. Most Renaissance magi and their medieval predecessors conceived of magic in physical, almost scientific terms. The magical arts were simply the unlocking of the secrets of nature and bending them to the will of the practitioner, a description which could still just about fit science and technology today. "Occult" simply meant "hidden" or "secret", as opposed to apparent and obvious. Furthermore the late medieval and early modern concept of natural science included a spiritual, incorporeal and non-physical dimension which we today would consider the province of metaphysics or religion. It was perfectly reasonable, for instance, to discuss what kind of incorporeal substance the various parts of the human soul consisted of. Peter Abelard in the twelfth century even speculated that daemons achieve their suggestions to the souls of mortals through the alchemical properties of rocks and plants, and Roger Bacon in the thirteenth was convinced that, through magnifying the astrological properties of the right stars with an appropriate optical array of mirrors and lenses, the flaws and weaknesses in the human body could be eradicated and immortality achieved.
4. Comment #237185 by SamKiddoGordon on August 26, 2008 at 7:05 am
5. Comment #237188 by rod-the-farmer on August 26, 2008 at 7:11 am
6. Comment #237199 by jshuey on August 26, 2008 at 7:30 am
7. Comment #237216 by Ishruul on August 26, 2008 at 8:11 am
8. Comment #237217 by Sargeist on August 26, 2008 at 8:12 am
9. Comment #237220 by moderndaythomas on August 26, 2008 at 8:16 am
10. Comment #237230 by Bruno on August 26, 2008 at 8:32 am
A hero of mine since boyhood, I chose to take his name as my username for this website. "A thorn in their side," indeed.11. Comment #237242 by huzonfurst on August 26, 2008 at 8:46 am
Sargeist (#8), it makes me wonder if breeding humans with chimps has already been done in secret. Extreme capitalists would love it for the slave labor potential, and Bushite governments for all the obedient (and expendible) soldiers it might produce.12. Comment #237248 by Sargeist on August 26, 2008 at 8:53 am
13. Comment #237250 by beeline on August 26, 2008 at 8:54 am
Holding opinions contrary to the Catholic Faith and speaking against it and its ministers.
Holding erroneous opinions about the Trinity, about Christ's divinity and Incarnation.
Holding erroneous opinions about Christ.
Holding erroneous opinions about Transubstantiation and Mass.
Claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity.
Believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes.
Dealing in magics and divination.
Denying the Virginity of Mary.
14. Comment #237252 by Sargeist on August 26, 2008 at 8:55 am
Sounds like a bit of a big-mouth, but he clearly had a clear-mind as well.
15. Comment #237283 by shemp333 on August 26, 2008 at 10:01 am
16. Comment #237288 by rod-the-farmer on August 26, 2008 at 10:13 am
Bob's your uncle
17. Comment #237303 by Quetzalcoatl on August 26, 2008 at 10:33 am
Sounds like a bit of a big-mouth, but he clearly had a clear-mind as well
18. Comment #237309 by Ishruul on August 26, 2008 at 10:38 am
19. Comment #237314 by Vaal on August 26, 2008 at 10:44 am
A hero of mine since boyhood
20. Comment #237319 by Don_Quix on August 26, 2008 at 10:51 am
21. Comment #237395 by D'Arcy on August 26, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Soon, Bruno was offending his neighbors by writing satirical dialogues complaining that England's populace was "second to none that the Earth nurtures in her bosom for being disrespectful, uncivil, rough, rustic, savage, and badly brought up."
As Rowland points out, Bruno, irascible as he was, had committed no crime
22. Comment #237450 by 8teist on August 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm
23. Comment #237499 by richardoakes on August 26, 2008 at 3:18 pm
What a coinsidence!24. Comment #237502 by Goldy on August 26, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Soon, Bruno was offending his neighbors by writing satirical dialogues complaining that England's populace was "second to none that the Earth nurtures in her bosom for being disrespectful, uncivil, rough, rustic, savage, and badly brought up."
"They scream, they sing, they fall down, they take their clothes off, they cross-dress, they vomit," Malia's mayor, Konstantinos Lagoudakis, said in an interview. "It is only the British people ?quot; not the Germans or the French."
25. Comment #237515 by Greywizard on August 26, 2008 at 4:03 pm
It took a long time for that to prove true, yet thanks to those idealistic 19th-century students, everyone who comes to Rome to behold the splendor of the Vatican is also presented with a reminder of its bloody, repressive past.
26. Comment #237516 by Border Collie on August 26, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Well, only four hundred years ago ... from pyros to pedos in just a few short centuries ... I'd say it wouldn't take much for them to move backwards ...27. Comment #237523 by Styrer- on August 26, 2008 at 4:45 pm
What a wonderful piece of writing by Laura Miller. Seriously well-crafted and so engaging that its flow was enough to carry me on a wave of interest until the last full-stop.28. Comment #237540 by Cartomancer on August 26, 2008 at 5:23 pm
29. Comment #237553 by sgilmer on August 26, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Excellent article. I would just like to second the comments of #10 and #20. I have been an admirer of Giordano Bruno for many years.30. Comment #237570 by Styrer- on August 26, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Comment #237540 by Cartomancer on August 26, 2008 at 5:23 pm31. Comment #237588 by prettygoodformonkeys on August 26, 2008 at 7:27 pm
32. Comment #237599 by Cartomancer on August 26, 2008 at 7:47 pm
33. Comment #237616 by richardoakes on August 26, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Re Comment #237502 by Goldy34. Comment #237617 by Styrer- on August 26, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Quite. And a bloody-handed mini-metro, with one driver, unarmed, in all its tiny proportions to a juggernaut, would be enough to lay enough blame on a religiously-inspired inquisition for us atheists to shout 'religious foul!'35. Comment #237702 by jeepyjay on August 27, 2008 at 4:09 am
Cartomancer wrote: It's a well-worn gripe of mine that people too often think the Renaissance happened out of thin air; that suddenly everyone dropped their shovels, clapped themselves round the head for not realising how frightfully medieval they used to be, then took off writing humanist tracts on civil government and discovering heliocentricity. In this model the persecuted humanistic thinkers like Bruno and Gallileo suddenly become martyrs for forward-thinking rationalism against a corrupt tableau of turgid medieval backwardness. It didn't happen like that. Medieval thought gave way slowly and gradually to change, there was never a flash of lightning and suddenly the renaissance was born.
36. Comment #237828 by Cartomancer on August 27, 2008 at 8:26 am
37. Comment #237987 by D'Arcy on August 27, 2008 at 1:31 pm
38. Comment #238288 by ConsciousMachine on August 28, 2008 at 12:04 am
SamKiddoGordon �quot;
You wonder what he might have contributed had he lived in another time.
39. Comment #238467 by DanielK on August 28, 2008 at 7:44 am
40. Comment #241592 by Enlightenme.. on September 2, 2008 at 5:39 pm
1. Comment #237177 by Sage on August 26, 2008 at 6:53 am
"You may be more afraid to bring that sentence against me than I am to accept it."Just, wow.
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