Human geography is mapped in the genes2. Comment #240748 by oasis-al-reason on September 1, 2008 at 2:16 am
3. Comment #240753 by Roger Stanyard on September 1, 2008 at 2:25 am
4. Comment #240768 by dvespertilio on September 1, 2008 at 2:57 am
What?!!?? No Celts? I'm cut to the quick of my Anglo-Welsh-Irish heart!!! Say it ain't so!5. Comment #240774 by Roger Stanyard on September 1, 2008 at 3:03 am
6. Comment #240795 by Shane McKee on September 1, 2008 at 4:00 am
7. Comment #240796 by ficklefiend on September 1, 2008 at 4:09 am
8. Comment #240827 by NewEnglandBob on September 1, 2008 at 5:43 am
9. Comment #240833 by bachfiend on September 1, 2008 at 6:13 am
What I find fascinating though, is that there are fewer genetic differences between a Swede and a Papuan Highland dweller (separated by perhaps 20,000 km and 40,000 years) than between two common chimps living perhaps 200 km apart. Humans seem to have always been the great emigrants, and chimpanzees live and die where they are born.10. Comment #240839 by Ishruul on September 1, 2008 at 6:44 am
Incidentally, this sort of information is of good effect in countering creationist claims of descent from Noah - for even this small amount of genetic diversity to arise over ~4500 years, evolution would need to be even *more* powerful than the creationists like to acknowledge. The irony...
11. Comment #240909 by Apeseed on September 1, 2008 at 9:21 am
@Roger StanyardBrits were simply not divided into Celts and Anglo Saxons but that both are all basically of Basque origin.
12. Comment #240980 by Naturalist1 on September 1, 2008 at 11:16 am
13. Comment #241022 by riemann on September 1, 2008 at 2:49 pm
"And isn't it an arresting thought? We are digital archives of the African Pliocene, even of Devonian seas; walking repositories of wisdom out of the old days. You could spend a lifetime reading in this ancient library and die unsated by the wonder of it."
14. Comment #241052 by BeyondBelief on September 1, 2008 at 4:27 pm
15. Comment #241053 by mmurray on September 1, 2008 at 4:38 pm
16. Comment #241102 by denoir on September 1, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I've been thinking it might be interesting to buy my grannie a DNA test as a present so we can finally find out the source of our dark hair and generally mediterranean appearance. Anyone done anything like this?
17. Comment #241110 by lastgreekstanding on September 1, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Awhile back there was a discussion here about this National Geographic project
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
where you can buy a kit and get a sample of your DNA tested to show your ancient history. Did anyone try this ?
Michael
18. Comment #241155 by lbq on September 1, 2008 at 10:11 pm
I see in the New scientist map that all my Swedish co-nationals are out in the Skagerrak, which must be the explanation why we all have webbed feet.19. Comment #241208 by Roger Stanyard on September 2, 2008 at 2:10 am
20. Comment #241311 by Apeseed on September 2, 2008 at 5:19 am
I found it interesting because in Ireland there is book called the Book of Invasions which, while mythological, tells the story of several invasions into Ireland that came from the Iberian peninsula. They preceded the people who came to be known as the Celts. Of course, Celt was never a word used by the people themselves. They were called by their tribal eponyms.21. Comment #242177 by KRKBAB on September 3, 2008 at 12:49 pm
The applications and conclusions to be drawn from these genetic studies are interesting, but to diminish the actual cultural differences of peoples, like Celts and Anglo-Saxons (no vested interest) is to ignore the bigger picture.22. Comment #242589 by mmurray on September 4, 2008 at 6:10 am
Thank you for the link. It sounds very exciting. I think I'll try it. Not sure, though, whether I should do both the X and Y, or just the Y test. It's 100 dollars a pop.
23. Comment #250180 by samisami on September 19, 2008 at 3:13 am
If the territories occupied by the Atlantic Celts were replete with pre-celtic toponymy and, more importantly, hydronymy, it would not in any case be a misnomer to call them Celts on account of their celtic language and celtic culture. As it happens, the most ancient strata of toponymy and hydronymy in these regions is almost exclusively celtic or proto celtic. In the case of Ireland it would be very hard to imagine a tiny elite celticising the land and people so thoroughly that it effectively obliterates everything prior to it. Tantalisingly, recent linguistic conjectures, such as the Paleolithic Continuity Theory, suggest a very ancient presence of indo-european in western Europe. Archaeologist Barry Cunliffe posits a western seaboard homeland for celtic culture which then went on to celticise in an easterly direction only to recede and contract to its original bastions. The metallurgical brilliance of the central european Celts does not automatically imply point of origin any more than NASA implies a point of origin for speakers of English.
1. Comment #240735 by Stafford Gordon on September 1, 2008 at 1:38 am
Professor Steve Jones writes fascinatingly about this subject in his "Language of the Genes".Other Comments by Stafford Gordon