Faith schools may be Blair's most damaging legacy2. Comment #241617 by Cowcakes on September 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Yet another attack on freedom of thought and a victory for the repressive forces masquerading as, or more truthfully, that is religion.3. Comment #241619 by beanson on September 2, 2008 at 10:27 pm
4. Comment #241621 by The-bleeding-obvious on September 2, 2008 at 10:38 pm
A fine example of our governments negative IQ! Another couple of generations and we will be fighting a new crusade...in our own land.5. Comment #241622 by Verylee on September 2, 2008 at 10:38 pm
6. Comment #241623 by sby on September 2, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I know of a respected state catholic school in London where 25% of the teaching staff are gay. Which is fine with me, but somehow I doubt whether they are all sincere catholics.7. Comment #241625 by mordacious1 on September 2, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Everytime I think the U.S. is screwed up with religion, I only have to look to the UK to feel better.8. Comment #241626 by EvidenceOnly on September 2, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Schools are for education.9. Comment #241627 by Broshiesq on September 2, 2008 at 10:59 pm
10. Comment #241628 by mdowe on September 2, 2008 at 11:04 pm
11. Comment #241629 by Beachbum on September 2, 2008 at 11:05 pm
12. Comment #241630 by Serdan on September 2, 2008 at 11:06 pm
beanson,13. Comment #241631 by somersetsimon on September 2, 2008 at 11:10 pm
14. Comment #241634 by TalkyMeat on September 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm
15. Comment #241637 by Lev-CapeTown on September 3, 2008 at 12:02 am
Teaching assistants, dinner ladies and caretakers may need to get on their knees to keep their jobs from now on.
16. Comment #241645 by nalfeshnee on September 3, 2008 at 12:20 am
Man am I glad I left the UK before I had children.17. Comment #241682 by somersetsimon on September 3, 2008 at 1:27 am
Faith schools are therefore an oxymoron.
It is often stated that faith-based schools get better results than secular schools. I haven't seen these figures myself, but they may well be correct. If they are correct, then surely someone shoulf investigate WHY they are better. My suspicsion (and something that Polly Toynbee alludes to) is that faith schools, by definition, are allowed to select their pupils and they are using this to make sure they only take bright kids from nice, middle-class affluent backgrounds and so the school gets good exam results.
Another factor that is often mentioned is the religious 'ethos' of the school that somehow leads to higher standards of behaviour and morality in the school. Again, this is probably due to the selection process. However, I haven't ever seen anyone explain exactly what they mean by this 'ethos'. Are they implying that there are some rules of behaviour that can only be enforced in a religious context? Is it like a game of 'Simon Says' where the teacher saying 'no bullying in the playground' has no effect, but "Jesus says 'no bullying in the playground' " gets the kids to behave?
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18. Comment #241687 by oasis-al-reason on September 3, 2008 at 1:30 am
19. Comment #241688 by V'Ger on September 3, 2008 at 1:30 am
20. Comment #241713 by Animavore on September 3, 2008 at 1:56 am
21. Comment #241733 by PJG on September 3, 2008 at 2:36 am
22. Comment #241742 by Corylus on September 3, 2008 at 2:56 am
No sooner was the new group made public than its chair, Rabbi Jonathan Romain, minister of Maidenhead synagogue, paid for his outspoken bravery with a savage personal assault from the Jewish Chronicle.I tracked down this article here.
23. Comment #241769 by gcdavis on September 3, 2008 at 3:39 am
24. Comment #241796 by The Schuermannator on September 3, 2008 at 4:51 am
25. Comment #241809 by mark65 on September 3, 2008 at 5:20 am
about these comments26. Comment #241866 by Cartomancer on September 3, 2008 at 6:58 am
27. Comment #241867 by Beusfalus on September 3, 2008 at 7:02 am
28. Comment #241894 by GodMyArse on September 3, 2008 at 7:29 am
I'm a member of a small secular organisation actively campaigning in a very small way in my own area where two schools are going to be merged into one and, as one is already a church school, the enlarged campus will be a church school. We are trying simply to raise people's awareness of this issue and get them asking questions about their own kids' educations but the apathy in this country is depressing. Also our county council has basically said we are not allowed to make representations to the public consultation meetings! Can the Yanks please invade and install a democracy, please?29. Comment #241968 by amalthea on September 3, 2008 at 9:03 am
30. Comment #241970 by RichardofYork on September 3, 2008 at 9:04 am
31. Comment #241989 by Malenfant on September 3, 2008 at 9:30 am
#26 Cartomancer -32. Comment #242012 by Stuart Paul Wood on September 3, 2008 at 10:07 am
I've been saying it for ages - Labour and their glorious faith schools have us sleep walking into a social and educational disaster.33. Comment #242027 by flying goose on September 3, 2008 at 10:27 am
34. Comment #242086 by blakjack on September 3, 2008 at 11:22 am
35. Comment #242102 by Nova on September 3, 2008 at 11:41 am
mordacious1:Everytime I think the U.S. is screwed up with religion, I only have to look to the UK to feel better.LOL then perhaps you need to sort out your priorities. UK has silly laws and governments which make religion tricky but the central culture at large isn't religious, compare this to the US where every other person is a religious nut. I'm actually amazed, considering everything, that a rational person could consider the religious situation here in the UK worse than it is in the US.
36. Comment #242260 by Border Collie on September 3, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I think the faith school issue here in the US is within a step or two of you guys in the UK. We're probably running neck and neck. Like maybe with some of your schools, it's actually more of a race or class issue at times, than a religious issue. The faith schools pander to the race and class fears of the parents.37. Comment #242261 by JAMCAM87 on September 3, 2008 at 1:59 pm
38. Comment #242556 by mixmastergaz on September 4, 2008 at 4:06 am
39. Comment #242590 by hungarianelephant on September 4, 2008 at 6:12 am
Official policy says it's up to local communities to decide the kind of schools they want.
40. Comment #242792 by D'Arcy on September 4, 2008 at 1:14 pm
41. Comment #242823 by popecorkyxxiv on September 4, 2008 at 1:58 pm
42. Comment #242834 by Dinah on September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm
The present government in the UK has consistently ignored the opinions of the population over the last ten plus years. Most of us don't want religious schools, 'faith' based welfare, mass immigration, the concreting over of the countryside to build horrible sub-standard houses, the plundering of pension schemes, the dumbing down of qualifications, the raising of the school leaving age to 17, the closures of local hospitals and Post Offices to mention just a few, but do any of our esteemed and beloved leaders take the slightest notice? Like heck they do. And then they wonder why people can't be bothered to vote. Trouble is, even when this lot are eventually kicked out, I doubt whether the next lot will have either the will or the means to repair the damage.43. Comment #242848 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on September 4, 2008 at 2:33 pm
44. Comment #243054 by Telic on September 5, 2008 at 3:25 am
45. Comment #243320 by j.mills on September 5, 2008 at 12:31 pm
46. Comment #243970 by BigC on September 8, 2008 at 4:08 am
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1. Comment #241615 by mordacious1 on September 2, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I'm sure ol' Tony is proud of this legacy. What a &^%&(^%.Other Comments by mordacious1