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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 | Reason : Political | print version Print | Comments

Video Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview

Nico Pitney and Sam Stein, Huffington Post

UPDATE: Sam Harris writes in the LA Times "Palin: average isn't good enough"

Reposted from:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.

Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

Video of Kalnins and Palin from June 8, 2008 (via wasillaag.net):


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Palin's address, much of which was spent reflecting on the work of the church in which she grew up and was baptized, underscores the notion that her world view is deeply impacted by religion. In turn, her remarks raise important questions: mainly, what is Palin's faith and how exactly has it influenced her policies?

A review of recorded sermon by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home.

The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement. "As for her personal beliefs," the statement added, "Governor Palin is well able to speak for herself on those issues."

Clearly, however, Palin views the church as the source of an important, if sometimes politically explosive, message. "Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," she told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."

And if the political storm over Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.

If the church had a political alignment, it would almost surely be conservative. In his sermons, Kalnins did not hide his affections for certain national politicians.

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."

Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.

What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war.


As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate, Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the result of a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her victory. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the kingdom of God, you know."

Even Palin expressed surprise at that pastor's advocacy for her candidacy. "He was praying over me," she said in June. "He's praying, 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way...' And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not, 'Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,' or whatever. No, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened. So, again, very very powerful coming from this church."

In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.

He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."

He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."

Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.

As for Palin, her views on these topics is more opaque. In the wake of the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, a debate has raged about whether political figures should be held responsible for the comments of their religious guiders. Clearly, however, Kalnins, like many national conservative religious leaders, sees Alaska's governor as one of his own. "Gov. Sarah Palin is the real deal," he told his church this past summer. "You know, some people put on a show...but she's the real deal."

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1. Comment #241632 by quantum_flux on September 2, 2008 at 11:29 pm

 avatarI'm pro-Palin though. Apparently Obama's the antichrist ;)

Yeah, I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert. Seriously, anybody who is pro-marijauna and pro-gay marriage with a pregnant 17 year old daughter and a political scandel can't seriously believe she's "a messenger of God"....wake up, it's all politics, every word of it!

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2. Comment #241633 by Bobington on September 2, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Vote Obama, if only to piss off the fundamentalists.

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3. Comment #241635 by quantum_flux on September 2, 2008 at 11:44 pm

 avatarI expect everybody here to do the atheist thing, to post on the McCain/Palin blog and explain (politely) why She and McCain need to change their viewpoints about religion and they probably will tone it down.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Blog/

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4. Comment #241638 by Philip1978 on September 3, 2008 at 12:06 am

 avatarI am Pro- Palin...Michael Palin!

Dear goodness, what the heck is this?

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.


"
Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.



Sorry but since when did God have a plan?

Its a pretty rubbish one if all he has in mind are gas pipes and war!

Please keep this woman away from public office!

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5. Comment #241639 by King of NH on September 3, 2008 at 12:12 am

 avatar*cry*

Prof. Dawkins... If I send you my resume, do you think you could fast lane some British citizenship for me? I'm awefully sorry about the whole 1776 & 1812 stuff. Really. Does the queen still talk about us? I think we've learned our lesson.

Luckily, most liberals and Democrats won't be "praying" for Obama to be elected, we will be giving effort.

I think the church's message was clear:
Vote Obama/Biden in November, it's the godless thing to do!

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6. Comment #241640 by paulwwww on September 3, 2008 at 12:14 am

Me = shedding another tear for this great Republic. I think about how many times I've seen the "what would Jesus do" bumper stickers. Every Christian I've spoke with says the word of Christ is one of peace. Well until we discuss the war, delusional people scare the hell out of me!!!

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7. Comment #241641 by nalfeshnee on September 3, 2008 at 12:15 am

It's like American politics is a weird interpretation of the world of "His Dark Materials" - with every politician having his or her "shadow demon"...

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8. Comment #241643 by j s bach on September 3, 2008 at 12:17 am

 avatarHow old is this woman? She looks and sounds like a 15 year old.

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9. Comment #241644 by quantum_flux on September 3, 2008 at 12:19 am

 avatarShe's just like that because she's Canadian or something, seriously!

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10. Comment #241646 by mordacious1 on September 3, 2008 at 12:29 am

god owns a lot of stock in Exxon, so it is his will to build that pipeline. Of course he could have just put the oil in Oklahoma or Texas and it wouldn't have been a problem, no pipeline needed.

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11. Comment #241648 by mordacious1 on September 3, 2008 at 12:42 am

Excuse me while I go barf after watching that horrendous video (blaaaaaaahhhhh). If this woman ever becomes President, we ARE in trouble.

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12. Comment #241651 by Terje S on September 3, 2008 at 12:48 am

How can someone vote for people like this? The dungeon is the place to put them, so they don't harm the rest of us on this planet.

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13. Comment #241653 by denizb on September 3, 2008 at 12:52 am

 avatarGod put the oil in Alaska and not in Texas to test our faith... How else would he know we love Him if we don't destroy human life, animal life and plant life, all in his name.

Seriously though:
These guys aren't religious, they are crooks, raised in crook schools (evangelical churches).

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14. Comment #241654 by TalkyMeat on September 3, 2008 at 12:53 am

 avatarThe idea that someone who is that comfortable with the idea of the end of the world might end up one not-really-all-that-unlikely heart attack away from the go codes for the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet is genuinely terrifying.

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15. Comment #241669 by King of NH on September 3, 2008 at 1:10 am

 avatar
Talkymeat:
The idea that someone who is that comfortable with the idea of the end of the world might end up one not-really-all-that-unlikely heart attack away from the go codes for the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet is genuinely terrifying.


"Let me be your messenger, god! Tell me when to push the button. I am your servent, let me do your will."**

**note - this might seem like I'm poking fun, but it's not really all that funny. It scares the shit out of me!

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16. Comment #241677 by k1mgy on September 3, 2008 at 1:18 am

 avatar"Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said. "

Palin's husband is an oil worker on the North Slope. He works for BP.

How frikkin' transparent is that?

Pray, my ass.

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17. Comment #241681 by Ole on September 3, 2008 at 1:24 am

 avatarHere is Sam Harris recent comment on her:

McCain has so little respect for the presidency of the United States that he is willing to put the girl next door (soon, too, to be a grandma) into office beside him. He has so little respect for the average American voter that he thinks this reckless and cynical ploy will work.

And it might. Palin's nomination has clearly excited Christian conservatives, and it may entice a few million gender-obsessed fans of Hillary Clinton to vote entirely on the basis of chromosomes. Throw in a few million more average Americans who will just love how the nice lady smiles, and 2009 could be a very interesting year.


Ole

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18. Comment #241690 by mordacious1 on September 3, 2008 at 1:34 am

k1mgy

I thought Palin's hubby was a commercial fisherman?

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19. Comment #241703 by stephenray on September 3, 2008 at 1:44 am

If you want a Palin for vice president, pick Michael. Hell, pick the whole Monty Python team. America is doomed if McCain gets elected, but at least the Pythons will keep you laughing.

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20. Comment #241704 by Sigmund on September 3, 2008 at 1:45 am

 avatarIf you think that's serious, things have just taken a turn for the worse.
http://sneerreview.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-camp-in-disarray-as-jesus.html

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21. Comment #241705 by Vaal on September 3, 2008 at 1:47 am

 avatarMichael Palin for President please, and the lumberjack song the new National anthem :)

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22. Comment #241718 by amberjack on September 3, 2008 at 2:07 am

 avatar"Redheaded sasquatch for Jesus"? Wow.

And amen to j s bach at Comment 8. She does indeed sound like a 15 year old.

We're doomed.

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23. Comment #241726 by Ivan The Not So Bad on September 3, 2008 at 2:21 am

 avatar"I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."

So, let me see, I stay here in London and run the very small risk getting pitchforked into the fires of Hell or I go to Anchorage for the very small possibility of spending all eternity with a bunch of utter loons.

That's a toughie (especially as Pascal's wager would probably leave me in Newfoundland).

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24. Comment #241727 by DamnDirtyApe on September 3, 2008 at 2:21 am

 avatarPlease, for the sake of what little faith I have in DEMOCRACY please don't let this pass. This woman sounds like she might actually be worse than Bush! I didn't think such a thing would be possible!

I'm currently trying to learn to play the song 'Caribou' by the great band 'the pixies' on guitar. Once I have mastered it, I will dedicate it to Sarah Palin every time I play it.

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25. Comment #241732 by Animavore on September 3, 2008 at 2:30 am

 avatar"There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that."

What like, "turn the other cheek."?
"You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life."

Wait. Didn't HE die for US so that we wouldn't have to?
Man this woman is STOOPID.

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26. Comment #241736 by Eventhorizon on September 3, 2008 at 2:39 am

 avatarI AM GOING TO BE SICK!

America, you're fucked!

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27. Comment #241745 by Dhamma on September 3, 2008 at 3:00 am

 avatarWe have a small party here called the christian democrats. If they as much as uttered the word 'god' they'd be digging their own grave. Sure, my country is very secular, but it's the same in England. Religion cannot be allowed to take part of politics.

I'm so glad I don't live in USA. If they even had an idea how f***ed up their political system is...

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28. Comment #241750 by Bob Russell on September 3, 2008 at 3:09 am

Phuckkkkkkkk

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29. Comment #241751 by Ian of Brisbane on September 3, 2008 at 3:10 am

Please someone tell me that this isn't real! Arrrrrrrrrrgh!

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30. Comment #241754 by Eventhorizon on September 3, 2008 at 3:12 am

 avatarDhamma

Which country do you come from?

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31. Comment #241761 by aznxscorpion517 on September 3, 2008 at 3:25 am

 avatarShe has a pregnant 17 yr old daughter but she's NOT pro-weed nor is she pro-gay marriage. She might even be a creationist. Sure wouldn't be surprised if she were.

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32. Comment #241768 by annspan on September 3, 2008 at 3:37 am

She called her first born 'Track' cos thats the sport season he was born in........Are we really worried about ANYTHING this woman could do....
What a moron....

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33. Comment #241775 by Sigmund on September 3, 2008 at 3:47 am

 avatar#32 said
"She called her first born 'Track' cos thats the sport season he was born in....."
Although we should take care to remember its simply a vile untrue rumor she called the last child 'Trig' after the highschool lesson skipped while he was being conceived (half an hour later and he'd be named 'English Lit 1').

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34. Comment #241780 by henning on September 3, 2008 at 4:05 am

I think Dhamma is from Sweden, my neighbour country. I'm from Norway. Both countries are secular, although not as secular and rational as one would want.

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35. Comment #241784 by I-am-a-7 on September 3, 2008 at 4:22 am

 avatarThe "living dead" are among us and they belong to the GOP.

If this woman gets to be VP (and I seriously doubt it) then I'll believe that the majority of the American population are missing a few chromosomes.

Her son must have joined the Army with the possibility of losing his live in order to get away from her. Better be dead than putting up with all that lunacy.

I'm gonna be sick!!!!

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36. Comment #241799 by irate_atheist on September 3, 2008 at 4:54 am

 avatar4. Comment #241638 by Philip1978 -

My usual comment applies.

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37. Comment #241803 by makarov on September 3, 2008 at 5:03 am

Comment from the continental 'Wonder Down Under':-
We appear to be experiencing; hopefully temporarily; a resurgence of the God business.
Frankly I do believe that common sense will prevail; the main reason it hasn't so far, particularly in the USA, is that a very large proportion of 'Christian' population is educated in a very safe and very parochial environment: I do NOT of course include those that have commented so well in this forum.
When I heard that soon-to-be ex-President Bush, a few years back, stated that he formulated foreign policy based on his biblical beliefs; beliefs based on the scientific opinions of various shepherds and fishermen 2000 years ago; I think I said something fatuous like 'God help us'!
I am REALLY sorry but I couldn't help it, after all I also was brainwashed at 6-7 years of age!
Believe me, we in Aussie are watching and hoping with bated breath that the Cain/Palin ticket does NOT get in. (If prayers will work some of us might even be tempted that way...)

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38. Comment #241823 by Ivan The Not So Bad on September 3, 2008 at 5:58 am

 avatarHere is an extract from Johann Hari's article in the Independent this morning (the final flourish is sooooo quotable):

Sarah Palin says global warming is "not man-made". She's a denier married to an oilman, who even wants to take polar bears off the endangered species list because she believes there is no risk to them. (This is part of a wider lack of scientific understanding: she thinks creationism is "a credible scientific theory" too.) If McCain; a 72 year-old cancer survivor; dies in office, we get Dick Cheney with breasts as President.

*guffaws mouthful of tea across room*

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39. Comment #241827 by Naturalist1 on September 3, 2008 at 6:04 am

 avatarAfter seeing the clip and reading all our our well considered responses and watching the drivel at the Republican convention last night...I might suggest that we ask RD to consider updating "The Good,The Bad and The Ugly" section of the website with this clip. My vote goes for...The Ugly.

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40. Comment #241830 by Ishruul on September 3, 2008 at 6:12 am

 avatarErrr.....

Between that Gov.Palin Psycho and Emperor Palpatine, the choice seem obvious.

Silly me, I thought the Dark Side was the darkest there is! There's no hope for the US if that erratic-crusader-pro-god-scripture-quoter got any more political strenght.

God please stop blessing the US, it's already so full of BS already!

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41. Comment #241841 by mordacious1 on September 3, 2008 at 6:33 am

Darrell

I can't believe you were able to watch the RNC, after 5 minutes I had to turn it off. I couldn't watch the DNC either, but I lasted 15 or 20 minutes there.

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42. Comment #241849 by Naturalist1 on September 3, 2008 at 6:40 am

 avatarYes Rob...it is an exciting life I live around here.
The good news is that tonight I am attending the first of this years public lectures at The Perimeter Institute For Theoretical Physics.(PI) Going to see Dr. Brian Greene..noted string theorist and quantum gravity guy from Columbia University. The title of his talk tonight is,"Black Holes and the Myth of Icarus".There is one of these great talks every month here.

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43. Comment #241854 by aquilacane on September 3, 2008 at 6:45 am

 avatarI'm taking bets. How long before one of us atheists loses it and goes on a shooting rampage. It's going to happen; not even a sane individual can stand this retard's sandlot much longer. I put my money on Diacanu! There's a double bonus for a twin hit!

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44. Comment #241860 by Naturalist1 on September 3, 2008 at 6:51 am

 avatarAquilacane....be careful..Mr. Homeland Security Redneck may be listening to you. Don't think sites like this might not be a target for them.

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45. Comment #241868 by FatherNature on September 3, 2008 at 7:05 am

 avatarThis election just keeps getting more depressing all the time.

Although she's a certifiable nutjob, that won't get much traction in the US where "sincerely held" religious beliefs go unquestioned.

However, her support of (and possible previous membership in) the Alaska Independence Party could hurt the GOP. If it becomes widely known that she supports a group that advocates the secession of Alaska from the US, she may have some 'splainin' to do.

Have a look at this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

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46. Comment #241873 by chewedbarber on September 3, 2008 at 7:08 am

 avatar
"A review of recorded sermon by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home."


I'm glad he mentioned that this would only be provocative to some. It is really very tame, and I wonder how long it has been since some have been in church, or around religious conversations--ever?

Every pastor believes that their congregation serves a special purpose in gods plan.

Every pastor believes they are special.

So, some pastor thinks Alaska will be a refuge for people during the end of days, so what? Do we imagine all the other pastors don't fantasize that they will also serve some special purpose during those times?

Maybe they think god will take them all. Maybe god will send a select few back to nurse those who were on the verge of belief, and having now seen the power of christ are ready to commit.

Who knows, its the religious imagination and everyone of the cranks in office who claim to be Christian has a lunatic behind the pulpit of their church--all of them.

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47. Comment #241884 by rod-the-farmer on September 3, 2008 at 7:20 am

 avatarWoo boy. I think the phrase "intellectual lightweight" applies here. I know dropping the final "g" from words like "coming" is common enough, but I would hope that a person who got a journalism degree would have trained herself to pronounce as many of them as possible. Otherwise her diction sounds more like the 15-year old her voice indicates. Strange grammar, but I don't know how else to say that.

If she is the best McCain could find, does that not speak volumes about the republican talent pool ?

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48. Comment #241896 by Gregg Townsend on September 3, 2008 at 7:31 am

 avatarI'm more amazed by the stage they are standing on! Churches have really changed in the 30 plus years since I was a regular.

I really dig the sick double-kick drum kit surrounded with a trash screen! Does the congregation get wasted and chuck bottles at the drummer?!

I couldn't listen to her for more that a minute.

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49. Comment #241903 by mordacious1 on September 3, 2008 at 7:35 am

I was just watching Dan Bartlett on ABC. He said, "Susan Palin is the white...right candidate for the job". LOL

Aqui

No shooting sprees. We're mostly rational people here...including, if not especially, Diacanu.

DR might mow down his congregation at some point though. Ministers never seem to be the stable type.

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50. Comment #241905 by Quetzalcoatl on September 3, 2008 at 7:42 am

 avatarmordacious1-

DR might mow down his congregation at some point though. Ministers never seem to be the stable type.


The Scottish are a very literal people. There's a good chance he might use an actual lawnmower.

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