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Friday, September 5, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Large Hadron Collider readies for world's biggest experiment

by The Australian

Thanks to Michael Murray for the link.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24292397-30417,00.html

Large Hadron Collider readies for world's biggest experiment

IT is the most ambitious and expensive civilian science experiment in history, using the biggest machine yet built.
It has sparked alarmist fears that it might create a black hole that will tear the Earth apart, and it has triggered two last-minute legal attempts to stop it.

And next Wednesday, after almost two decades of planning and construction, the project in question will finally get under way.

Beneath the foothills of the Jura mountains, on the border between France and Switzerland, scientists will fire a first beam of particles around a subterranean ring as long as the Circle Line on the London Underground.

This colossal circuit, 27km in circumference, is the world's most powerful atom-smasher, the £3.5 billion ($7.46 billion) Large Hadron Collider, created at CERN, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

Some 10,000 scientists and engineers from 85 countries have been involved. In the years ahead it will recreate the high-energy conditions that existed one trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

In doing so, it should solve many of the most enduring mysteries of the Universe.

This extraordinary feat of engineering will accelerate two streams of protons to within 0.999999991 per cent of the speed of light, so that they complete 11,125 27km laps in a single second.

The two streams will collide, at four points, with the energy of two aircraft carriers sailing into each other at 11 knots, inside detectors so vast that one is housed in a cavern that could enclose the nave of Westminster Abbey.

The detectors will trace the sub-atomic debris that is thrown off by the collisions, to reveal new particles and effects that may never have existed on Earth before.

The mountains of data produced will shed light on some of the toughest questions in physics.

The origin of mass, the workings of gravity, the existence of extra dimensions and the nature of the 95 per cent of the Universe that cannot be seen will all be examined.

Perhaps the biggest prize of all is the "God particle" - the Higgs boson.

This was first proposed in 1964 by Peter Higgs, of Edinburgh University, as an explanation for why matter has mass, and can thus coalesce to form stars, planets and people.

Previous atom-smashers, however, have failed to find it, but because the LHC is so much more powerful, scientists are confident that it will succeed.

Even a failure, however, would be exciting, because that would pose new questions about the laws of nature.

"What we find honestly depends on what's there," said Brian Cox, of the University of Manchester, an investigator on one of the four detectors, named Atlas.

"I don't believe there's ever been a machine like this, that's guaranteed to deliver. We know it will discover exciting things. We just don't know what they are yet."

The guarantee applies, however, only if the hardware works as it should, and the LHC's first big test comes on Wednesday, when the first beam of particles is injected into the accelerator.

That is a huge technical challenge.

"The beam is 2mm in diameter and has to be threaded into a vacuum pipe the size of a 50p piece around a 27km loop," said Lyn Evans, the LHC's project manager, who will oversee the insertion. "It is not going to be trivial."

Engineers will use magnets to bend the beam around the LHC's eight sectors, until it finally begins to circulate. "That'll be the first sight of relief, that there are no obstacles in the vacuum chamber," Dr Evans said.

"There could be a Kleenex in the chamber - we've had that before. Only when we get the beam around will we be able to tell it's clear."

Once the first beam is in - probably the one running clockwise, though that has yet to be decided - the team will insert the second, anti-clockwise stream of particles.

The first collisions, to test the detectors, should follow by the end of next week.

The next step will be to "capture" the beams so they fire in short pulses, 2800 times a second. These will then be accelerated to an energy of 5 tera-electronvolts (TeV), generating collisions of 10TeV.

The detectors should be calibrated by the end of the year and the collisions will then be ramped up to their maximum energy of 14TeV, generating the conditions that prevailed fractions of a second after the Big Bang.

One of the first scientific discoveries is likely to concern a theory called supersymmetry.

Tejinder Virdee, of Imperial College, London, who leads the Compact Muon Solenoid detector team, said: "What supersymmetry predicts is that, for every particle you have a partner, so it doubles up the spectrum. You have a whole new zoology of particles, if you like."

Theory suggests that if supersymmetry is real, evidence to confirm it should emerge quickly from the LHC, possibly as soon as next year. "If it pops up it'll be quite easy to see," Professor Cox said.

Such a discovery might also help to explain dark matter, which is thought to account for much of the missing mass of the Universe. Only about 4 per cent of matter - galaxies and the like - is visible to our telescopes.

"In this new zoology, the lightest supersymmetric particle is a prime candidate for explaining dark matter," Professor Virdee said.

The search for the Higgs could take longer, though it depends on the particle's mass and thus the energy of the collisions in which it might be found.

If it is at the heavier end of the possible range, the discovery could take as little as 12 months.

A lighter Higgs would take longer to find, as the particles into which it would decay would also be lighter and harder to track.

Other potential discoveries include evidence for the existence of extra dimensions beyond the familiar three of space and one of time, and the creation of miniature (and harmless) black holes, though these are less probable.

"Most of us think we'd be very lucky to find these things," Professor Cox said.

There are two more detectors. The LHCb will investigate why there is any matter in the Universe at all, while Alice aims to study a mixture known as quark-gluon plasma, which last existed in the first millionth of a second after the big bang.

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1. Comment #243140 by Dhamma on September 5, 2008 at 7:42 am

 avatarI'm soo thrilled! Feels like the best christmas I've ever had, apart from not being based on fiction.

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2. Comment #243141 by Haakon on September 5, 2008 at 7:43 am

Hey, first in.
Looking forward to see the first results from the LHC. Hope it will be spectacular (but not too spectacular :p).

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3. Comment #243142 by zeroangel on September 5, 2008 at 7:45 am

 avatarThe END draws near! Repent sinners!

JK.

Honestly, this is really exciting stuff. I only hope I am smart / well-read enough to understand on some level what comes out of these experiments.

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4. Comment #243145 by Apathy personified on September 5, 2008 at 7:56 am

 avatarCan't wait for this to be fully operational - though after it's running it'll take months and months to analyse the terabytes of data that pour out everyday to see if the higgs or any of those supersymmetric particles are hiding somewhere.

Either way, it should revolutionise our understanding of fundamental physics.

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5. Comment #243147 by Quetzalcoatl on September 5, 2008 at 7:58 am

 avatarApathy-

According to New Scientist, they anticipate a year at a minimum before grand new discoveries are announced, and that assumes that something immediately leaps out at them.

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6. Comment #243148 by Frankus1122 on September 5, 2008 at 8:00 am

 avatarWhat I like about this is it is an example of science blithely marching forward with no regard whatsoever to religion.
The LHC was not mentioned in the Bible where, according to religionists, all truths can be found. Do the experimenters think about this for a second? I doubt it.
Religion is irrelevant.

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7. Comment #243151 by Tyler Durden on September 5, 2008 at 8:04 am

 avatarComment #243148 by Frankus1122

Good point. I wonder how many theists that troll this site will actually comment on the above article.

No, wooter does not count :)

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8. Comment #243152 by zeroangel on September 5, 2008 at 8:08 am

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The LHC was not mentioned in the Bible where, according to religionists, all truths can be found.


Doubtless, some loon will find some obscure passage in the Bible that predicts the LHC in the most vague of language and says it is from satan. Perhaps Revelations?

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9. Comment #243156 by SteveN on September 5, 2008 at 8:13 am

 avatarThe LHC goes online on my birthday! I accept this wonderful present most gratefully.

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10. Comment #243157 by Dhamma on September 5, 2008 at 8:15 am

 avatarZero: So true! A friend of mine yesterday told me the fall of WTC was predicted in the bible, and it was apparently predicted we'd be far more people in the world by now. I haven't seen the "predictions" but I doubt I'll be impressed.

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11. Comment #243161 by jeremynel on September 5, 2008 at 8:18 am

"What we find honestly depends on what's there," said Brian Cox


One would sincerely hope so.

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12. Comment #243163 by zeroangel on September 5, 2008 at 8:19 am

 avatarDhamma:

I remember when I was young an uncle told me that "Locusts breathing fire" (somewhere in Revelations) was actually helicopter gunships. His assertion was that the writer of Revelations couldn't make sense of everything he saw in his visions so just tried to describe the coming apocalypse in the best way he could understand.

This got me reading Revelations attempting to try and predict the future. I figured the six (seven?) headed beast must be some kind of Robot Mech ala Japanese Anime.

Then I grew up.

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13. Comment #243165 by severalspeciesof on September 5, 2008 at 8:22 am

 avatarFrom the article:
Even a failure, however, would be exciting, because that would pose new questions about the laws of nature.



Try imagining that statement with regards to religion.
Science is wonder(ful)!

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14. Comment #243166 by Apathy personified on September 5, 2008 at 8:23 am

 avatarQuetz,
Doesn't surprise me at all. The amount of data the machine will collect is, well, fucking huge - the project to store and analyse the data is very large and complex.

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15. Comment #243167 by Prankster on September 5, 2008 at 8:23 am

 avatarI'm not up on physics at all and some of this confused me- i understand why they're doing it and what they hope to achieve. My thoughts though are ones of safety. I've read elsewhere thatan injunction was lodged to stop the LHC being activated on the basis (and forgive me for being dense about this) that there may be unexpected results, or that the planet will be sucked screaming into the mini black hole that this thing will create once activated-basically is it safe and will we be here come 11.09.08?

Just curious....

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16. Comment #243169 by zeroangel on September 5, 2008 at 8:26 am

 avatarPrankster:

Certainly I think there are more qualified people here than myself to answer your question:

But in short, yes, its safe.

As I understand it, even if it creates mini-black holes they won't have the mass (at all) to do any damage. They will just disapate. For example: if you somehow crushed all the matter in a soda can into a mini-black hole, it would still have the gravitation pull of a soda can.

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17. Comment #243170 by Apathy personified on September 5, 2008 at 8:27 am

 avatarPrankster,
Here is a safety report done by the people at CERN.

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18. Comment #243172 by sheepscarer on September 5, 2008 at 8:29 am

 avatarSee the BBC4's 'The Big Bang Machine' - a great documentary with Prof Cox looking like a young rock star rather than the geeky wild-haired physicist usually portrayed.

Excellent programme which communicated the excitement at researching the nature of reality. The hairs stood up on the back of my neck when the prof talked about the 'god'particle and the profound truths to be uncovered about our universe. It's astounding and frankly quite moving that our powers of reason can get us this far.

Puts into perspective the belittling nature of religious explanations of truth. Not only does religion wash brains whiter than white; it shrinks the fabric of understanding

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19. Comment #243174 by Tyler Durden on September 5, 2008 at 8:33 am

 avatarOne wonders if there are any religious nut-jobs outside the LHC entrance with "The End Is Nigh" placards?

They'll be disappointed. Again.

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20. Comment #243182 by Prankster on September 5, 2008 at 8:47 am

 avatarZeroangel and Apathy Personified

Thanks for that-particulary the safety report.

Damn! I was gonna use the event to try for a day off work, something along the lines of the bus to work got delayed as the traffic was sucked into a mini black hole. Looks like I'll have to use another excuse for staying off work on the day in question...

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21. Comment #243183 by Quine on September 5, 2008 at 8:48 am

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This extraordinary feat of engineering will accelerate two streams of protons to within 0.999999991 per cent of the speed of light,


This must be a mistake, although literally correct. The number 0.999999991 is very close to 1.0, so the statement is almost the same as saying the speed is within 1% of the speed of light, which it is, but it is also within 50% of the speed of light because of the word "within." I suspect they want to say, "... protons to greater than 0.999999991 the speed of light," which is waaaaay closer than "within 1%."

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22. Comment #243184 by severalspeciesof on September 5, 2008 at 8:59 am

 avatarI think within 0.999999991 per cent of us will understand, I think ;)

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23. Comment #243185 by chewedbarber on September 5, 2008 at 9:00 am

 avatarPat Robertson has called the project gay, and has recently said that "they will never find God with this machine. God exist outside the universe and can only be found through revelation!" adding, "They will probably only succeed in opening a black hole to hell." When asked if he thought a black hole was a serious threat Robertson said, "Only those bound to sin will get sucked in!"

Exciting, I can't wait.

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24. Comment #243186 by severalspeciesof on September 5, 2008 at 9:04 am

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...God exists outside the universe and can only be found through revelation!"


Isn't revelation within our universe?
Gotta love the way those wacky believers can say contradictory things without realizing it.

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25. Comment #243188 by Tezcatlipoca on September 5, 2008 at 9:10 am

 avatarWe're all gonna diiiiiieeee!!!

Since I've had the remaining 8 custom replacement windows manufactured for my house and they're due to be installed next wednesday it figures... We're all gonna diiiieeee!!!

;p hahahahaha...

I can't wait to read up on what comes about from the new data from the LHC in my hopefully snug and much less drafty old house.

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26. Comment #243190 by alexmzk on September 5, 2008 at 9:13 am

dead exciting stuff.

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27. Comment #243192 by RussC on September 5, 2008 at 9:16 am

Comment #243172 by sheepscarer

See the BBC4's 'The Big Bang Machine' - a great documentary with Prof Cox looking like a young rock star rather than the geeky wild-haired physicist usually portrayed


To be fair Sheepscarer he is, or ar least was, a young rock star. Brian Cox used to be the keyboard player with D:Ream (a reasonably successful UK dance/pop act for anyone who hasn't heard of them). He was actually touring with them whilst doing his PHD! Very impressive.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing what the LHC finds out about the universe. Maybe by the time they find something I'll actually have made it to the end of Roger Penrose's book "The Road to Reality". Whether I'll have understood much of it is another thing though.

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28. Comment #243200 by Ohnhai on September 5, 2008 at 9:26 am

 avatarThis genuinely thrills me beyond description. Even if it destroys the universe, what a way to go... Giving birth to a new universe (if it goes that way) Imagine the religions of this new universe learning that the last words of the creator were 'oops!'

But seriously, I find it awe-inspiring that the worlds largest machines is not commercial, not military but for pure research, pure science, purely for discovery and discovery only.

What ever happens, a great day indeed, and as said if it fails it will yield answers and new questions on that failure and in that justifying it'self in that.

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29. Comment #243201 by Dhamma on September 5, 2008 at 9:26 am

 avatarCould this have any impact at all on believers to question their faith?

Depending on what's found, of course.

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30. Comment #243205 by NewEnglandBob on September 5, 2008 at 9:32 am

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The origin of mass, the workings of gravity, the existence of extra dimensions and the nature of the 95 per cent of the Universe that cannot be seen will all be examined.

Perhaps the biggest prize of all is the "God particle" - the Higgs boson.


The above payoff is more than enough for the risk of "alarmist fears that it might create a black hole that will tear the Earth apart".

I doubt that risk, but even if it did, we would all get to live a very, very, very long time as we go through the event horizon of the black hole.

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31. Comment #243206 by Quine on September 5, 2008 at 9:35 am

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Could this have any impact at all on believers to question their faith?

Depending on what's found, of course.


Not very likely. Whatever is found would be covered by the "Goddidit" clause of the basic faith assurance policy.

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32. Comment #243209 by orpheus on September 5, 2008 at 9:39 am

 avatarThis is so exciting!

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33. Comment #243210 by bugaboo on September 5, 2008 at 9:41 am

What is all this about the end of the world/universe? the beginning of a new universe?

I trust the guys over at CERN have got their sums right. Yes?


NEBob
I doubt that risk, but even if it did, we would all get to live a very, very, very long time as we go through the event horizon of the black hole.


Thats stretching it a bit ;)

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34. Comment #243211 by al-rawandi on September 5, 2008 at 9:45 am

 avatarZ-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z

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35. Comment #243212 by Prankster on September 5, 2008 at 9:45 am

 avatarHmm D:Ream?

I'd prefer the black hole option myself than listen to that rubbish ever again!!!

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36. Comment #243216 by severalspeciesof on September 5, 2008 at 9:49 am

 avatar
Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z


Wake up Al!! Class is in session and it's rude to snore...

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37. Comment #243217 by ggab7768 on September 5, 2008 at 9:50 am

 avatarI am absolutely moist with anticipation.lol
Been waiting for this one. I almost can't take it.

The black hole thing is a bunch of hooey.
We're talking microscopic in size and deteriorating almost immediately. Combine that with that with the fact that the chance of it happening at all is extremely remote.
People just seized on the idea and blew it way out of proportion to try and use it as a weapon in the fight to stop progress.
Disgusting, if you ask me.

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38. Comment #243219 by Apathy personified on September 5, 2008 at 9:52 am

 avatar
Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z

*throws piece of chalk at sleeping student*

Edit: severalspeciesof beat me to it, damnation!

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39. Comment #243220 by Oystein Elgaroy on September 5, 2008 at 9:54 am

 avatarComment #243201 by Dhamma

Could this have any impact at all on believers to question their faith?

Depending on what's found, of course.



I doubt it. No holy text mentions the Higgs particle or supersymmetry, as far as I know.

I am willing to bet two bottles of fine Norwegian aquavit that the Higgs will be found, and one bottle that they will discover supersymmetry. Any takers?

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40. Comment #243221 by Prankster on September 5, 2008 at 9:55 am

 avatarI was merely expressing concern over a black hole (size notwithstanding) being produced-I'm not advocating stopping progress or taking a sledgehammer to the LHC in a Luddite attempt to prevent it being used.

The risks and safety aspects have previously been pointed out to me

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41. Comment #243222 by DoobyTheCat on September 5, 2008 at 9:55 am

 avatarThough I am a complete science novice, I am truly excited about the LHC and it's potential discoveries.

Q: Does a mini-black hole mean there would be a mini-event horizon?

g.

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42. Comment #243224 by ggab7768 on September 5, 2008 at 9:59 am

 avatarHey Prankster
I wasn't talking about you.
I wouldn't make an assumption like that.

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43. Comment #243225 by ColdFusionLazarus on September 5, 2008 at 10:00 am

 avatarLarge Hardon Collider
Tee-hee. Kyuk-kyuk!

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44. Comment #243226 by Oystein Elgaroy on September 5, 2008 at 10:00 am

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Q: Does mini-black hole means a there would be a mini-event horizon?


Yes!

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45. Comment #243227 by squinky on September 5, 2008 at 10:01 am

 avatarI haven't gotten so much science-wood since the Mars Rovers returned pictures of the planet's surface.

I think that when then beams collide, Jesus will appear in the chamber. It will be the Second Coming. Except that He'll want to know why we summoned Him and when we don't have a good answer, He will vaporize the whole planet for trying to emulate Him. Then the fundies will be pissed because they'll blame the physicists for making a black hole that starts the destruction of Earth (even though it's the Messiah getting all medieval on our collective ass) and after everyone is dead, the physicists will never ever live that one down nor be able to set the record straight.

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46. Comment #243228 by bugaboo on September 5, 2008 at 10:01 am

Comment #243220 by Oystein Elgaroy

Good grief. 40% alcohol by volume (i had to look it up)

40% tax in Norway. Coincidence?

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47. Comment #243231 by severalspeciesof on September 5, 2008 at 10:05 am

 avatarAl...Are you awake yet? This discussion has now started some sex talk, right up your alley... ;)

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48. Comment #243233 by ggab7768 on September 5, 2008 at 10:07 am

 avatarSquinky
If we wanted to cause Jesus to appear I think that instead of protons we'd have to slam together two grilled cheese sandwiches with his image.

Am I reaching too much?
You guys get that reference right?
I don't know how much press that got outside of the US.

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49. Comment #243235 by ggab7768 on September 5, 2008 at 10:11 am

 avatarSeveralspeciesof (Pink Floyd reference?)

Where is the sex talk? I could get into that.
I had sex once.
That was before I got married of course.

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50. Comment #243239 by Tezcatlipoca on September 5, 2008 at 10:14 am

 avatarCareful everyone or you'll summon Sister Mary Elefant...

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