Why I left Young-earth Creationism
2. Comment #258756 by jimbob on October 2, 2008 at 10:36 am
Glenn, shrug off the rest of the dogma. You'll feel like the weight of a young earth has been lifted from your shoulders!3. Comment #258757 by decius on October 2, 2008 at 10:37 am
I was on the very verge of becoming an atheist.
4. Comment #258762 by zeroangel on October 2, 2008 at 10:43 am
Without that I would now be an atheist.
5. Comment #258763 by blitz442 on October 2, 2008 at 10:43 am
This reminds me very much of own experience in biology and I would be curious about the author's views about evolution. If he still does not believe in evolution, and he undertook to aquaint himself with the data (in the same way he did with geology) and presented this to creationistsm would he not get the same disappointing responses and personal attacks?6. Comment #258765 by Saber on October 2, 2008 at 10:46 am
I don't care if he decides to abandon his religion. It's enough that he's embraced reason. This is how we'll eventually win the argument, by showing the differences between what we hope to be true and what we can know to be true.7. Comment #258775 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 am
8. Comment #258776 by Cartomancer on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 am
9. Comment #258777 by sunbeamforjesus on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 am
I Agree,an interesting article if nothing new.Odd though that he still clings to religion even though he has basically disproved the dogma.What more does he need to see through it all?10. Comment #258780 by JFHalsey on October 2, 2008 at 10:56 am
I've forwaded the original link to my parents, YECs who brainwashed me quite thouroughly in my impressionable years.11. Comment #258785 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 am
12. Comment #258786 by Cartomancer on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 am
As Royal Holloway College has pointed out to me, it's getting creationist students who, because of their "beliefs" are essentially unteachable. I've been through universities four times and what I came out knowing bears little resemblance to my pre-conceived ideas about what I expected to learn before I entered each course.Has anyone got any reliable statistics for university-level students in Britain and the US concerning professed belief in young-earth creationism (or religion in general)? I say this because I have never actually met a student who is a young-earth creationist in my entire time at Oxford (I am now entering my seventh year of study here), nor do any of my friends who went to other UK universities report having ever encountered one. I've heard Professor Steve Jones talk about how it was simply unheard of to meet them ten or twenty years ago, but it happens today.
13. Comment #258787 by Richard Dawkins on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 am
14. Comment #258794 by joe72 on October 2, 2008 at 11:13 am
Indeed, interesting read.15. Comment #258796 by Cartomancer on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 am
16. Comment #258799 by Janus on October 2, 2008 at 11:19 am
17. Comment #258808 by gustavoabreu on October 2, 2008 at 11:26 am
what's "Days of Proclamation"?18. Comment #258812 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 11:30 am
19. Comment #258813 by SteveN on October 2, 2008 at 11:32 am
20. Comment #258818 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 11:35 am
21. Comment #258823 by cerad on October 2, 2008 at 11:41 am
22. Comment #258832 by Ed-words on October 2, 2008 at 12:01 pm
"Young-earth creationists don't like being told they're wrong." (Christian humility?)23. Comment #258835 by flobear on October 2, 2008 at 12:04 pm
24. Comment #258836 by Rational_Skeptic on October 2, 2008 at 12:05 pm
My own opinion, for what it is worth, is that the problem runs deeper than science v religion. With creationism you're dealing with a fundamentalist mindset. That is an ideology that ecompasses far more that just "creationism."
25. Comment #258837 by drrob on October 2, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Days of Proclamation seems to say that god said that he created the plan for the universe but then it took 4 billion years for the plan to get realised. So old earth creationsism same as Catholics kind of.26. Comment #258848 by Janus on October 2, 2008 at 12:17 pm
27. Comment #258851 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm
28. Comment #258865 by Swordmaiden on October 2, 2008 at 12:40 pm
29. Comment #258895 by 5keptical on October 2, 2008 at 1:20 pm
30. Comment #258896 by JFHalsey on October 2, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Janus said:It's not just that he's smart, it's that I think he really cares about what's true, which is something that is incredibly rare among religious believers.
31. Comment #258897 by the great teapot on October 2, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Next week primary schoolboy Bane Trooney explains how he came to terms with how knowing his arse from his elbow pointed to the fact noddy was just a cartoon character32. Comment #258902 by Swordmaiden on October 2, 2008 at 1:32 pm
33. Comment #258903 by Paine on October 2, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I know Glenn Morton - he has helped us at the BCSE and I highly respect him.
34. Comment #258913 by SASnSA on October 2, 2008 at 1:48 pm
He seems to be a man hanging off of a cliff by a root. He doesn't want to look down for fear that he may lose his grip and fall.35. Comment #258924 by alabasterocean on October 2, 2008 at 1:58 pm
36. Comment #258927 by Quine on October 2, 2008 at 2:00 pm
37. Comment #258940 by Steven Mading on October 2, 2008 at 2:15 pm
He had to drop creationism because his career dealt directly with the facts that contradict it. As to38. Comment #258943 by the great teapot on October 2, 2008 at 2:21 pm
He needs a good slap around the face with a wet fish.39. Comment #258945 by Obecalp on October 2, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I find it mind-boggling that this guy readily accepts that God started a world-wide flood but worries about such things as:40. Comment #258947 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 2:27 pm
41. Comment #258951 by the great teapot on October 2, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Paines track record is probably not public because he never had access to the media when he was 13 years old.42. Comment #258955 by BicycleRepairMan on October 2, 2008 at 2:48 pm
43. Comment #258961 by rod-the-farmer on October 2, 2008 at 2:59 pm
44. Comment #258963 by bachfiend on October 2, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Janus (comment #26) says: "Sure. But that a person is a scientist doesn't mean that she cares about the truth. Many scientists see 'science' as a job, not as a way of thinking".45. Comment #258969 by Roger Stanyard on October 2, 2008 at 3:32 pm
46. Comment #258979 by blitz442 on October 2, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Janus (comment #26) says:I don't know. I always thought a person went into science because it is interesting, and wants to discover something that will ensure fame, not for something that is later shown to be wrong. I think if a bright person just wants a job and money, then the life of an investment banker on Wall Street would be more promising!
47. Comment #258980 by a non e-moose on October 2, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Roger, you seem to fail to grasp that indoctrination from a young age can have a powerful effect on ones world view and way of thinking. To overcome this is certainly something worth respecting. Many people never do.48. Comment #258982 by aznxscorpion517 on October 2, 2008 at 4:09 pm
LOL. Christianity is totally wrong about the age of the earth and the flood......but everything else in it must be right! 49. Comment #258985 by kaiserkriss on October 2, 2008 at 4:13 pm
50. Comment #258991 by Goldy on October 2, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I don't know. I always thought a person went into science because it is interesting, and wants to discover something that will ensure fame, not for something that is later shown to be wrong. I think if a bright person just wants a job and money, then the life of an investment banker on Wall Street would be more promising!
1. Comment #258749 by Richard Dawkins on October 2, 2008 at 10:27 am
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