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Audio Remember, Remember, the Fifth of November...

Radio Devon


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Radio Devon disapproves of Richard Dawkins and "The God Delusion."

Transcript: (Thanks to Laurence Boyce!)
"Good Morning. 'Remember, remember the 5th of November; gunpowder treason and plot."'Well I'm sure we're all looking forward to a good bonfire night; whether it's tonight, tomorrow, or Sunday as it should be. The rockets banging overhead, the Catherine Wheels spinning, and writing our names in the air with sparklers. However in all the fun, it is easy to forget the purpose: Guy Fawkes and his cronies had a horrific plot – a plot full of treason, full of malice, full of rebellion. They were wanting to overthrow the rightful rule of the government.

The Apostle Paul, in his letter to the Romans, says a similar thing of all mankind with respect to God. He writes, "There is no-one righteous, not even one; no-one who seeks God, all have turned away." Paul is summing up what the Bible has to say about the human condition. Right from the start, from the time of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, we have been guilty of treason and plotting – not just against a human government, but against the ultimate government: God Himself.

Such an attitude can fully be seen today in the latest work of Richard Dawkins, the so-called "Professor of the Public Understanding of Science" at Oxford University. His latest book sums up his anti-God beliefs – it's called "The God Delusion". He would want to do away with God and His rule for all time. What happened to Guy Fawkes & co for their treason? Well they end up being burned at the stake, as will be remembered by many Guys being thrown on bonfires over this weekend. And the Bible depiction is something similar for all those who want to dispense with God.

However, bonfire night isn't all that we remember in November. Just a week later, on the 12th, we will be remembering all those who gave their lives in the two World Wars, as we mark Remembrance Sunday with the traditional silence at 11.00 am. Then we remember those who willingly gave their lives, who shed their blood for their people – those who made that supreme sacrifice: to give up their life for their family and friends. Because of their sacrifice, we enjoy peace today.

So the Bible doesn't stop at teaching of our rebellion, but moves onto the wonderful Good News in Jesus Christ: that He came into this world on a rescue mission, He came to bring us peace, and that He achieved this by His death – which, remember, His death on the Cross is the ultimate sacrifice, and the means by which those guilty of treason against God can once and for all be declared His friends. As Paul would say later to the Romans, "But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." So the rescue mission was achieved and the offer of peace with God is made to all.

But finally, and on a more personal note, for me and my family there's one other day of remembrance in November. On the 21st, my daughter Susanna will celebrate her third birthday. This reminds us of the need to accept Jesus' offer of peace with God. In the words of Jesus, "to be born again," to accept that He died for us, to win us. You and me – peace with God.

So there's a lot to remember in November. Make sure you don't forget!"

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1. Comment #7946 by Ben on November 20, 2006 at 1:40 am

What a load of b*******

2. Comment #7959 by goddogit on November 20, 2006 at 2:31 am

"A plot full of treason! As we all have committed treason against the Will of God, but through Jesus we blah-blah-blah..."
"Right from the beginning, Adam and Eve, we have all been guilty of treason, but Jesus blah-blah-blah...!"

WTF DOESN'T remind this brain-dead shite about Jesus?

"This glass of orange juice I have here, the sacrifice of the fruit rendered lovingly to soothe my parched throat, which reminds me of how the blood of Jesus soothes the throats of all mankind. And it's Tuesday, the name of which comes to us from Thor, the Thunder God, which reminds me of Jesus who thundered at the moneylenders in the temple!"

When otherwise sensible people start defending the value of Christian belief, this clip should be played. No one NOT a fool would bother to continue the discussion, lest they be seen defending such embarrassing tripe.

3. Comment #7977 by Will on November 20, 2006 at 3:31 am

Why can't they argue cleanly? Why do they have to poison the foils?

Richard Dawkins is not the 'so-called' Professor in the Public Understanding of Science. Would the reverend gentleman refer to Keith Ward as the 'so-called' Regius Professor of Divinity at the University of Oxford, or to Richard Harries as the 'so-called' Bishop of Oxford?

Likewise, Richard Dawkins's agenda is not to engage in 'treason, malice, rebellion' or to 'do away with God' - as it was Guy Fawkes's agenda to do away with an, undisputably real, King and Parliament. His agenda is simply to argue that the God of Christianity doesn't exist.

If what Dawkins says is not supported by the facts and by reason then it's fairly obvious what his opponents have to do. So why don't they do it? (Don't bother to answer that question!)

4. Comment #7989 by Laurence Boyce on November 20, 2006 at 4:47 am

Who the hell is this guy? I'd really like to know. And why do we have to put up with free advertisment for religion on the BBC? Clifford Longley was nauseating as usual on "Thought for the Day" this morning. "Theology has never been more relevant to the state of the world," he said. Oh really?

Time to break up and privatise the BBC anyone?

5. Comment #8077 by gsleith on November 20, 2006 at 11:01 am

What an idiot - as askwho1.2 said Fawkes & co weren't burned at the stake - they were sentenced to be hanged, drawn, and quartered. Fawkes got away with just being hung as he jumped from the gallows and snapped his neck rather than being hanged until almost dead.

And if JC came to bring us peace he must be pissed at his failure

Why am I as a license payer paying for this crap?

6. Comment #8106 by Yorker on November 20, 2006 at 12:25 pm

The BBC has been steadily sinking for some time, but this is a new low, When Attenborough was boss, they made some good stuff; now, it's 85% crap.

I've just about had enough of them, they waste £20 million a year of our licence money on taxi fares, and we get garbage like this in return.

I's simply a public disgrace.

7. Comment #8113 by Anonymous on November 20, 2006 at 12:43 pm

@ Alex Bloor

'Could someone enlighten me as to how his daughter's third birthday "reminds us of Jesus" ? I just fail to see any link between the two.'

It's *far* too tempting to consider that question via reference to Jesus' paternity. Does Radio Devon's finest fool suspect himself to be playing Joseph to his daughter's Jesus...?

(I'm glad there's no hell for me to go to.)

8. Comment #8116 by Laurence Boyce on November 20, 2006 at 12:50 pm

[Here is a transcript of the whole piece.]

Good Morning. "Remember, remember the 5th of November; gunpowder treason and plot." Well I'm sure we're all looking forward to a good bonfire night; whether it's tonight, tomorrow, or Sunday as it should be. The rockets banging overhead, the Catherine Wheels spinning, and writing our names in the air with sparklers. However in all the fun, it is easy to forget the purpose: Guy Fawkes and his cronies had a horrific plot – a plot full of treason, full of malice, full of rebellion. They were wanting to overthrow the rightful rule of the government.

The Apostle Paul, in his letter to the Romans, says a similar thing of all mankind with respect to God. He writes, "There is no-one righteous, not even one; no-one who seeks God, all have turned away." Paul is summing up what the Bible has to say about the human condition. Right from the start, from the time of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, we have been guilty of treason and plotting – not just against a human government, but against the ultimate government: God Himself.

Such an attitude can fully be seen today in the latest work of Richard Dawkins, the so-called "Professor of the Public Understanding of Science" at Oxford University. His latest book sums up his anti-God beliefs – it's called "The God Delusion". He would want to do away with God and His rule for all time. What happened to Guy Fawkes & co for their treason? Well they end up being burned at the stake, as will be remembered by many Guys being thrown on bonfires over this weekend. And the Bible depiction is something similar for all those who want to dispense with God.

However, bonfire night isn't all that we remember in November. Just a week later, on the 12th, we will be remembering all those who gave their lives in the two World Wars, as we mark Remembrance Sunday with the traditional silence at 11.00 am. Then we remember those who willingly gave their lives, who shed their blood for their people – those who made that supreme sacrifice: to give up their life for their family and friends. Because of their sacrifice, we enjoy peace today.

So the Bible doesn't stop at teaching of our rebellion, but moves onto the wonderful Good News in Jesus Christ: that He came into this world on a rescue mission, He came to bring us peace, and that He achieved this by His death – which, remember, His death on the Cross is the ultimate sacrifice, and the means by which those guilty of treason against God can once and for all be declared His friends. As Paul would say later to the Romans, "But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." So the rescue mission was achieved and the offer of peace with God is made to all.

But finally, and on a more personal note, for me and my family there's one other day of remembrance in November. On the 21st, my daughter Susanna will celebrate her third birthday. This reminds us of the need to accept Jesus' offer of peace with God. In the words of Jesus, "to be born again," to accept that He died for us, to win us. You and me – peace with God.

So there's a lot to remember in November. Make sure you don't forget!

9. Comment #8144 by jack on November 20, 2006 at 1:56 pm

Here in america religion is a club. I talk to many people who have no historical knowledge of the origins of religion. They've never read Carl sagans works, Dawkins, harris , James burke. Jesus F'n christ..the church would have you killed if you believed that a vacuum existed...it's true. 9-11 did change many of us but edward bernaise should how people are essentially sheep..they can be lead to believe anything...even if it's against thier best interest... ps. Too bad about Richard and Mrs. Garretson.

10. Comment #8152 by Laurence Boyce on November 20, 2006 at 2:17 pm

It's: radio.devon@bbc.co.uk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/local_radio

11. Comment #8196 by Randy Ping on November 20, 2006 at 3:41 pm

Hoozah for rebels if this is the kind of muck that they wanted to destroy.
WHy do you guys have royalty still?

12. Comment #8279 by StephenH on November 20, 2006 at 7:53 pm

Can i just clarify. That doesn't sound like the opinions of presenters at Radio Devon, but of a guest that was invited to speak on a program, and they allowed his views.

I would take issue with what is written at the top of the page:

"Radio Devon disapproves of Richard Dawkins and "The God Delusion."

Presumably, Richard Dawkins could contact Radio Devon and arrange an interview on the station to rebut what was said here

It's not clear from the text, whether it is a Radio Devon Presenter speaking, or a religious guest spot on the station. It could have been something like "Thought for the Day" on Radio 4

13. Comment #8287 by StephenH on November 20, 2006 at 8:08 pm

I am listening to the audio file now.

First piece of info that is required to chase this up, is the person's name that was reading it out.

Second, it's obvious listening to it, he's reading it, either from a website or a sheet of paper.

I'd want to know what his source of information is

14. Comment #8522 by Jonathan Dore on November 21, 2006 at 2:00 pm

At the moment all we have is a comment from an unnamed man in an unidentified programme. Does anybody know the context of this extract? Was it a clearly labelled religious "thought for the day" type segment, or was it BBC Devon editorial content by an employee? And does anyone know the speaker's identity?

15. Comment #9245 by Laurence Boyce on November 24, 2006 at 8:25 am

"I have spoken to the contributor and he assures me that he did not mean to criticise Professor Dawkins."

No of course he didn't criticise Dawkins. He merely pointed out that Dawkins would burn in Hell.

16. Comment #12743 by GregPreston on December 13, 2006 at 2:11 pm

 avatarPoor Susan.

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17. Comment #13370 by The Real Doctor on December 17, 2006 at 10:01 am

Sadly this DJ is yet another poor gullible chap. He lacks a mature intellectual approach to support his weakly supported support of the Bible. He typifies how faith in a stuffy old book has usurped reason, even in the 21st Century. Oh well, it's people like him who will be seen as the lunatics in future generations.

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18. Comment #22575 by Jack Rawlinson on February 19, 2007 at 4:23 pm

 avatarWhat happened to Guy Fawkes & co for their treason? Well they end up being burned at the stake, as will be remembered by many Guys being thrown on bonfires over this weekend. And the Bible depiction is something similar for all those who want to dispense with God.


.....but he loves you!

[Thank you George Carlin]

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