Children need to be sprinkled with fairy dust2. Comment #272065 by Adrian Bartholomew on October 27, 2008 at 12:35 am
3. Comment #272067 by Lumifish on October 27, 2008 at 12:40 am
4. Comment #272068 by Laurie Fraser on October 27, 2008 at 12:45 am
5. Comment #272073 by DanDare on October 27, 2008 at 12:56 am
6. Comment #272074 by Dr Doctor on October 27, 2008 at 1:05 am
7. Comment #272075 by Richard Dawkins on October 27, 2008 at 1:06 am
The day after my valedictory Simonyi Lecture, I gave an interview to Channel Four news. The interviewer asked me my view on whether fairy tales might have a pernicious effect on the educational development of children (I can’t remember his exact words, but that was the gist). My answer – that I didn’t know, and it would be interesting to do research on the question – was picked up by the Daily Telegraph (referring to me as Professor Hawkins) and it is presumably this account, or a similar one, that Libby Purves has read:Richard Dawkins is sounding more like a religious fundamentalist every day, and wants to investigate whether reading Harry Potter books will have a ‘pernicious effect’ upon children.It is the mark of a fundamentalist to know the answer to a question in the absence of any research on it. How very revealing, that a call for open-minded research to answer an open – and quite interesting and important – question should be damned as ‘fundamentalist’.
8. Comment #272079 by Thor'Ungal on October 27, 2008 at 1:20 am
9. Comment #272080 by Lorne Oliver on October 27, 2008 at 1:22 am
I feel that imagination is a necessary thing for children and the fairy tales that we learned helped provide a background against which we can separate science from fantasy. We tend to think in comparison-contrast and having elements of magic and fairy tale as a child allow adolescents and adults a safe repository for other myths like Jesus, Odin, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.10. Comment #272081 by Apathy personified on October 27, 2008 at 1:27 am
11. Comment #272082 by Laurie Fraser on October 27, 2008 at 1:28 am
12. Comment #272083 by Laurie Fraser on October 27, 2008 at 1:30 am
13. Comment #272085 by MartinSGill on October 27, 2008 at 1:32 am
14. Comment #272086 by Richard Dawkins on October 27, 2008 at 1:32 am
I feel that imagination is a necessary thing for children and the fairy tales that we learned helped provide a background against which we can separate science from fantasy.Yes, that's what you feel. Maybe I feel the same, maybe I feel differently, I'm not sure. But my point is, WHO CARES what I feel, or what you feel? This is an answerable question, and my feelings and your feelings should be superseded by research on real children.
15. Comment #272087 by Jesse. on October 27, 2008 at 1:35 am
If I might add a hypothesis to such research: it is possible that reading fantasy and fairy tales inoculates one against future religious indoctrination. After reading enough fairy tales you might more easily recognize the bible/torah/koran/... for what it is: fantasy, and badly written at that.16. Comment #272088 by SteveN on October 27, 2008 at 1:38 am
One of these letters, by a David A Robertson of Dundee, begins...
17. Comment #272089 by Laurie Fraser on October 27, 2008 at 1:40 am
18. Comment #272090 by Chris_The_Positivist on October 27, 2008 at 1:41 am
I am sick of this term 'fundamentalist' being banded about. Atheist fundamentalist.. lots of people I'm sure either don't understand what a fundamentalist is (or an atheist for that matter) and simply squark what they have heard from the stupifyingly pathetic literature, or their own religious community. That man from Dundee, is another example, eager to misunderstand and so make the outrageous comparison of calling a child 'English' to calling a child Christian or Muslim.19. Comment #272092 by Diacanu on October 27, 2008 at 1:43 am
20. Comment #272094 by Lumifish on October 27, 2008 at 1:45 am
it is possible that reading fantasy and fairy tales inoculates one against future religious indoctrination.
This is an answerable question, and my feelings and your feelings should be superseded by research on real children.
21. Comment #272095 by Brian English on October 27, 2008 at 1:47 am
22. Comment #272096 by Laurie Fraser on October 27, 2008 at 1:48 am
23. Comment #272098 by Jesse. on October 27, 2008 at 1:55 am
Comment #272094 by Lumifish24. Comment #272099 by Sigmund on October 27, 2008 at 1:56 am
25. Comment #272100 by sunbeamforjesus on October 27, 2008 at 1:58 am
How on earth can this woman earn a living as a journalist?Is she really expecting Richard to suggest the Bash Street Kids produce truancy or antisocial behaviour,or Dennis the Menace encourages bullying because he gives Cuthbert a hard time?26. Comment #272101 by Chris Davis on October 27, 2008 at 1:58 am
Kids can do fantasy without help. When I was approximately 0, I learned - probably from my scientist mum - that diamonds were formed by pressure on coal. So I put a lump outside and placed a brick on it.27. Comment #272103 by Lumifish on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 am
28. Comment #272106 by Jesse. on October 27, 2008 at 2:12 am
Comment #272103 by LumifishThat was my experience as a kid.
Bible stories couldn't contend with Star Wars, and Hulk.
:P
29. Comment #272107 by Ian (South Africa) on October 27, 2008 at 2:12 am
30. Comment #272108 by Christopher Davis on October 27, 2008 at 2:18 am
31. Comment #272109 by scottishgeologist on October 27, 2008 at 2:19 am
32. Comment #272110 by Laurie Fraser on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 am
33. Comment #272111 by gcdavis on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 am
34. Comment #272113 by Corylus on October 27, 2008 at 2:29 am
35. Comment #272120 by Ian (South Africa) on October 27, 2008 at 2:37 am
36. Comment #272123 by Quetzalcoatl on October 27, 2008 at 2:38 am
37. Comment #272125 by AllanW on October 27, 2008 at 2:43 am
38. Comment #272126 by Christopher Davis on October 27, 2008 at 2:44 am
39. Comment #272128 by mixmastergaz on October 27, 2008 at 2:46 am
40. Comment #272129 by JAMCAM87 on October 27, 2008 at 2:51 am
41. Comment #272137 by Matt H. on October 27, 2008 at 3:02 am
42. Comment #272140 by scottishgeologist on October 27, 2008 at 3:07 am
43. Comment #272143 by Ian (South Africa) on October 27, 2008 at 3:08 am
44. Comment #272145 by Dr Doctor on October 27, 2008 at 3:09 am
45. Comment #272147 by mordacious1 on October 27, 2008 at 3:17 am
46. Comment #272148 by NakedCelt on October 27, 2008 at 3:17 am
My sister and her husband are teaching their children that everyone plays a game at Christmas where you pretend Santa Claus is real. That seems to me much the best way of doing it; lets the kids in on the fun without spoiling the joke. Her eldest (five years old as of this writing) certainly seems to find it intensely amusing.47. Comment #272150 by AllanW on October 27, 2008 at 3:21 am
48. Comment #272151 by Mark Barratt on October 27, 2008 at 3:24 am
If I might add a hypothesis to such research: it is possible that reading fantasy and fairy tales inoculates one against future religious indoctrination. After reading enough fairy tales you might more easily recognize the bible/torah/koran/... for what it is: fantasy, and badly written at that.
49. Comment #272153 by Quetzalcoatl on October 27, 2008 at 3:25 am
It's the willingness to instinctively accept personal assertion or personal anecdote before ever considering an objective way to uncover facts.
50. Comment #272154 by NakedCelt on October 27, 2008 at 3:30 am
Richard,...my intuition suggests that a diet of wizards and magic, where anything can change, at the shake of a wand, into anything else, might predispose a child to lazy habits of thought, avoiding the urge to question how and why things really happen.I don't think I've ever read a fantasy story where "anything can change, at the shake of a wand, into anything else" -- except for a deliberately bad one written by Isaac Asimov to illustrate that very point. A story where the hero could fix anything without effort would fall apart as a story. Magic may be real in fantasy stories, but it's seldom easy and never without consequences.
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1. Comment #272062 by Ian Edmond on October 27, 2008 at 12:24 am
Let us remind ourselves that the last time she "tried remonstrating" with Richard, she said, about the fossil-hunting school trip in the first part of The Genius of Charles Darwin:
"The moment one of them found an ammonite on the beach, Professor Dawkins demanded instant atheism."
Which was an outright falsehood.
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