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Monday, November 20, 2006 | Reason : Science of Religion | print version Print | Comments |

Document How Full Is Your Quiver?

by Eileen Finan / Newsweek

Thanks to Joe Running for the link.
Reposted from:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15701301/site/newsweek/page/1/

In a new movement, Christians 'open their wombs to God.'

quiverfull

Nov. 13, 2006 - It's hardly a typical scene from the suburbs. The Bortel home outside San Antonio counts 12 members—parents David and Suzanne and their 10 children, ranging from 13 months to 15 (the 20-year-old married and moved away)—all crammed into a four-bedroom house that trembles constantly with activity. Everything revolves around the home: Dad works there, the kids are schooled there, the youngest three were born there. The family uses a 15-passenger van to get around, and at night, the kids climb into multiple sets of bunk beds. David and Suzanne hear the same questions repeatedly. So for the record: No, they're not Catholic. Yes, they've heard of birth control. And no, they're not crazy. In fact, they'd happily welcome a 12th child. "It's about obedience to God," says David, 38. "The Bible says that God is the only opener and closer of the womb."

The Bortels form part of the "quiverfull" movement, a small but growing conservative Protestant group that eschews all forms of birth control and believes that family planning is exclusively God's domain. The term derives from Psalm 127:

Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord,
The fruit of the womb is a reward.
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior,
So are the children of one's youth.
Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them.


Back in 1995, when the quiverfull.com Web site was founded, it had only 12 subscribers; today, the site, which is administered by the Bortels, has more than 2,600. Many followers have abandoned mainstream churches in favor of smaller nondenominational congregations of like-minded families. A cottage industry has sprung up in support of them. There are books like "A Full Quiver," by Rick and Jan Hess; Web sites like blessedarrows.com, which raises funds for couples to have reverse vasectomies or reverse tubal ligations; and scholarly treatises like "The Natural Family: A Manifesto," put out by the Rockford, Ill.,-based Howard Center for Family, Religion & Society and the Sutherland Institute, a conservative think tank in Utah. "We're still on the fringes," says Jan Hess. "But it is much more embraced than it was before."

Quiverfull beliefs are absolutist. Purists don't permit even natural family-planning methods, such as tracking fertility cycles (the only form of birth control condoned by the Roman Catholic Church). Also taboo: any form of artificial fertility treatment. "The point is to have a welcoming heart," says Mary Pride, a mother of nine whose 1985 book, "The Way Home," celebrated a return to traditional gender roles. It has sold about 80,000 copies and has inspired many quiverfull families. "You shouldn't be unnatural in going to a fertility clinic or in trying to avoid having children by regulating when to have sex with your husband," says Pride.

Beyond such purists, the anti-birth control message appears to be gaining ground among some evangelicals. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has become one of its most prominent advocates. "If a couple sees children as an imposition, as something to be vaccinated against, like an illness, that betrays a deeply erroneous understanding of marriage and children," says Mohler. "Children should be seen as good by default." His stance isn't as extreme as that of quiverfull followers; for instance, he condones the use of condoms for married couples in extreme circumstances, like illness. Still, Mohler's views are considered "an oddity" in mainstream Baptist circles, according to Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. Land admits, however, that Mohler has certainly expanded his following. "He is seen as the popularizer of a position that is still very marginal, but 15 years ago, it wouldn't have even been discussed," says Land, adding that he knows of at least two former students who had reverse vasectomies after hearing Mohler's arguments.

There's a curious twist to all this. "What quiverfull looks like is a group of Protestants who are more Catholic than the Catholics," says John Green, a senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Protestants have tended to embrace the contraceptive revolution that began in the 1960s. But recently, some conservative evangelical leaders—alarmed by what they deem a "contraceptive mentality" that has separated the act of sex from procreation—have begun to question mainstream Protestant stances. One possible explanation for the shift in thinking: the alignment between evangelicals and Catholics on some social issues, says Brad Wilcox, assistant professor of sociology at the University of Virginia. "The increasing cooperation of Catholic and evangelical leaders on abortion and same-sex marriage has allowed some cross-pollination where evangelical leaders are starting to become familiar with Catholic thinking on the family."

Whatever the roots of their beliefs, adherents appear to be speaking up more. Some prominent quiverfull followers have recently helped raise the movement's profile. Among them: Jim Bob Duggar, a former Arkansas state representative, and his wife Michelle, who have 16 children and have been featured on several Discovery Channel documentaries. In September, a group of 250 Catholic and evangelical anti-abortion activists met in Chicago to launch an attack on birth control. They argued that contraceptives such as IUDs and the pill have an abortion-like quality because they might prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Meanwhile, the Howard Center and the Sutherland Institute put out their manifesto on "The Natural Family," which encourages couples to be open to "a full quiver of children." That publication formed the basis of a "Natural Family Resolution" adopted by the town of Kanab, Utah, earlier this year. Though nonbinding, the resolution drew on the manifesto's language in promoting the family as the most important social unit.

These activities have encouraged more discussion of quiverfull ideas among conservative Christians. Stephanie Coontz, director of research for the Council on Contemporary Families, says she has increasingly noticed articles on the subject in the Christian press. Part of the reason, she argues, is that conservatives are reacting to revolutionary changes in women's social roles and seeking to re-impose a more traditional order. "The rhetoric is getting more shrill because people are getting more desperate," she says. "It's a backlash that I don't feel will triumph. In the past, large families were helpful economically, but today, they become a disadvantage, especially to younger kids who don't get as many resources."

Don't tell that to Ken and Devon Carpenter. They live on 21 acres outside Nashville with their eight children, ages 1 to 15. The Carpenters are what some have described as "back-to-the-land" Christians, typical among the quiverfull community. They embrace home schooling, grow some of their own food and reject television in favor of evening family time spent singing or reading. Though Ken admits life isn't always easy—last spring, all eight kids came down with chicken pox at once—he says the family became "exponentially happier" after relinquishing control of Devon's womb to God. He's counting on his eldest daughter, Peyton, 12, to carry on the tradition. She "will stay under my covering until I turn her over in marriage to a God-honoring young man," he says. Hopefully, he adds, they too will reap a full quiver.

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1. Comment #8171 by Ewan D on November 20, 2006 at 3:01 pm

Great. The exponential spread of the 'quiver' meme - just what a grossly overpoulated planet needs.

2. Comment #8173 by Malcolm on November 20, 2006 at 3:03 pm

What can anyone say about that !!! I thought the Catholic Church was a joke, but these people are just staggering.

3. Comment #8174 by Ewan D on November 20, 2006 at 3:03 pm

Great. The exponential spread of the 'quiver' meme - just what a grossly overpopulated planet needs.

4. Comment #8176 by Malcolm on November 20, 2006 at 3:05 pm

Forgot to say, I actually feel pity for those poor children, they will never be able to afford University, a home, etc. Unless loads of stupid people buy their father's books ???

5. Comment #8180 by Malcolm on November 20, 2006 at 3:13 pm

Overpopulated - about in 1800 I think the world's populations was ~ 1 Billion. Say double it and that's about a right number. It doesn't make sense to trash your environment by building all over it and chopping down forrests. Best to err on the side of caution I think, because if you get it wrong, the Earth's human population will end up a big zero.

6. Comment #8182 by Malcolm on November 20, 2006 at 3:16 pm

And the father doesn't look like he's missing too many meals either, in fact I'd suggest he's eating a few other peoples as well. Having said that, perhaps his only exercise is horizontal jogging with his wife, in which case if he did something else, perhaps he'd be to tired to create even more children.

7. Comment #8184 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 3:20 pm

Just what we needed. It'll be the downfall of the rationalist movement that these people will always outpropagate us. It's always been the case with the religious, but these guys just take the cake.

8. Comment #8185 by Malcolm on November 20, 2006 at 3:25 pm

Jared, if they produce to many children, they won't be able to afford their education, etc. and therefore statistically they will end up with poor jobs ??? Perhaps if athiests produce fewer children, they can get them well educated and into positions of power and make more difference than the greater number of religious sheep ???

9. Comment #8189 by Ryan on November 20, 2006 at 3:30 pm

I agree, Ewan. One can only hope that the "ignoring inconvenient truths is bad" meme, or at the very least, the "what the hell was I thinking" meme will become a bit more catchy. I'm starting to think we need a jingle.

10. Comment #8191 by Anat on November 20, 2006 at 3:35 pm

curious: " At what time did the planet become overpopulated? What number would be the correct population?"

Well, way back Arthur C Clarke suggested stopping the expansion of human population by efficient contraception, and then use the same means to bring it down to whatever number we choose. I think he was willing to go down to one million (from memory, can't find the reference) and he quotes Fred Hoyle as promoting one hundred thousand. Thus the planet could return to be a more hospitable place for humans and non-humans alike.

11. Comment #8203 by Yorker on November 20, 2006 at 3:53 pm

A little piece of intellectual "low-tech" comment needed here I feel.

This godite seems just about smart enough to know where the cock goes but not a f***ing clue about where the food comes from.

Comment #8185 by Malcolm

Unfortunately, Malcolm a good education is no guarantee of a well-paid job or a position of power, just take a look around you.

12. Comment #8204 by Randy Ping on November 20, 2006 at 3:53 pm

And that's not insanity... how???

13. Comment #8207 by Anonymous on November 20, 2006 at 4:00 pm

Re: Malcolm, comment #8185

If only it were that simple. Even with a number of "losses" within families of that size, they still outnumber us. And, at the same time, low education and income don't necessarily mean that their children won't survive long enough to spread the meme. My only hope is that this idea doesn't go very much further than it has so far. I shudder to think of the harm it might cause!

14. Comment #8210 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 4:03 pm

Whoops. Post 17 (comment #8207) was me. Sorry about that.

15. Comment #8229 by Aussie on November 20, 2006 at 5:05 pm

This is true success in the Darwinian sense. Maybe these people have a point.

16. Comment #8297 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 8:35 pm

Re: Comment #8286 by GunnBrotherCol

" :) You have great faith my friend."

Faith? Nay. Faith would be saying "WHEN we conquer aging and death through scientific means." It's HOPE that says "Not IF"

Hope and faith are very different things. Hope is about the optimism of possibilities, tacitly admitting that the hoped-for outcome is no guarantee. Faith is about certainty against all arguments to the contrary.

/At least, that's my take on it.

17. Comment #8319 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 9:19 pm

Re: Melisande (comment #8317)

To be honest, all of this talk of "quivers" brings out the two contradictory impulses of my nature.

On the one hand, I keep thinking of the "quiver" metaphorically for some kind of ammunition...as in how full my quiver of logic might need to be in getting involved with the debate over rationalism.

On the other hand, the side of me that still seems to have a lot of growing up to do thinks of it as a TERRIBLY inappropriate pick-up line...

"Why hello there...how full is YOUR quiver??"

Is it wrong to admit amusment? Gosh, I sure hope not!

Cheers.

18. Comment #8352 by Roy on November 21, 2006 at 2:16 am

It is obvious that "Thou shalt not eat too many pies " is not one of the 10 commandments
Just like the "Plymouth Brethren" sect, they get married when they are about 17 then produce as many kids as possible.

19. Comment #8359 by Jenna on November 21, 2006 at 2:46 am

This is really scary. All those who recognised the truth of the psycho religious fundamentalists outbreeding us and basically turning the human species into a bunch of superstitious twits who don't care that they are using up all the resources (Jesus is coming back, don't you know? Who cares about recycling or the rain forest when there's souls to save) are correct. The fundamentalist Muslims are breeding their wives to death to produce more followers than the Christians and the liberal Muslims, and the fundie Christians are attempting to keep up by overbreeding their poor wives (who, by being that nasty Eve's daughters have no say over anything, especially their own bodies). I hated the Catholic Church as a girl because I saw very quickly that they considered women nothing more than walking uteruses. It seems that many Protestants have caught up to them. The children will suffer horribly. My family was the largest in my school (five kids in total) and we did not get nearly the same amount of love, attention, or opportunities that my school mates from one or two children families had. It was more like living in a small orphanage than a home. My mother never had any time for any of us. We were lucky to get fed. This is (at best) the life for these children. Let us hope that this insanity doesn't catch on with the main stream. Jenna
P.S. Loved the fat bastard comments! Why is it whenever a man has a lot of children he's never anyone who would actually add something to the gene pool like Antonio Bandaras?

20. Comment #8370 by Rob A on November 21, 2006 at 3:49 am

On a related theme, I have just read the following article about polygomy in the US... http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1953193,00.html
When I read "her elder sister had become the 23rd wife of a polygamist with 106 children" I felt enraged!

21. Comment #8385 by goddogit on November 21, 2006 at 5:26 am

Do they believe vaccinations are evil? If not now, give them another five years before they find a Bible verse that they interpret that it is.
Natural selection doesn't take any notice of Xian truth. The Xian God's mercy, even if such a silly being existed, is notoriously thin, despite the hullabaloo these forks make about it.

22. Comment #8394 by FollowTheGourd on November 21, 2006 at 5:46 am

From the Onion:
Study: Uneducated outbreeding Intelligentsia 2 to 1
May 14, 1997 | Issue 31•18

CHICAGO—In a report with dire implications for the intellectual future of America, a University of Chicago study revealed Monday that the nation's uneducated are breeding twice as fast and twice as often as its educated. "The average member of the American underclass spawns at age 15, compared to age 30 for the average college-educated professional," study leader Kenneth Stalls said. "America's intellectual elite, as a result, are badly losing the genetic marathon, with two generations of dullards born for every one generation of cultured literates." Added Stalls: "At this rate, by the year 2100 there will be five smart people on Earth, swallowed whole by more than 12 billion mouth-breathers incapable of understanding the binary exponentiation that swamped the Earth with their like." High-school dropout Mandi Drucker, 16, said of the findings, "All I know is, we're in love."

23. Comment #8395 by Moloth on November 21, 2006 at 5:50 am

..Its a WOMB... not a clown car. sheesh.

24. Comment #8397 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 5:57 am

FollowTheGourd - Illiterate peasants churning out litters for the cause is not new. That's why many religions shun birth control, as those dictating from the executive offices need the money and know full well that getting kids hooked is the key to addiction.

The USA does not educate the poor as it demands a ready supply of pawns from that social class to fill the demands of it's hegemonic military. John Kerry made a reference about that a couple of weeks ago which upset people.

My question is why is everything taboo? Why can't we say what is?

25. Comment #8412 by FollowTheGourd on November 21, 2006 at 6:56 am

Colin, this article from November's issue of Prospect backs up your comment:

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7913

26. Comment #8413 by Chris on November 21, 2006 at 7:01 am

Several people on this thread are making the very bad assumption that the difference in behavior between these people and atheists is genetic. Genetic evolution cannot operate on non-genetic differences in *learned* behaviors.

In short: no matter how many kids they have, we can still educate them and give them an opportunity to reject the superstitions of their parents.

27. Comment #8417 by Anat on November 21, 2006 at 7:15 am

Colin: "Ok, for those atheists out there who think these families are ridiculous, the meaning of life is life itself. It's to successfully propagate your genes to future generations. Simply, the fundamental meaning of life is to have children. Those of you who don't, are evolutionary dead ends.

Those who worry about restricting breeding because of overpopulation and destroying the environment, well, sorry, you and your genes will be bred out of the population in a generation or so. Those who don't want to bring children into a world of wars and famine, you and your genes will soon be gone as well. Forgotten and never missed."

I think it is you who is missing the point. I am not equal to my genes. Whether my genes stay around or not is none of my business. Since I have a daughter (as well as nieces, nephews and many unrelated children that I happen to care about), I would like her to have as good a planet and as good a society to live in as I can help - for her as a person, not as a collection of genes half of which came from me. If the idea of reproducing without considering environmental impact prevails then the genes carried by the quiverfuls et al will take over much of humanity, just before all of humanity goes extinct or manages to send itself back to the stone age. I wouldn't like to live in such a world nor would I want anyone I care about to live in it.

28. Comment #8423 by LWS on November 21, 2006 at 7:26 am

This and other stories about fundamentalists reflects deep rooted misogyny as the women are essentially brood sows under the control of men who bully them:

Today's Guardian: Husbands and Wives
"Over the years a blind eye has been turned to the practice of polygamy in the United States. But the trial of a Fundamentalist Mormon for assisting in the rape of a minor could change all that. Ed Pilkington visits Utah and uncovers a closed world of 'sisterwives', underage marriages and banished teenagers "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1953193,00.html

See below for a link to a CBC documentary about a man in British Columbia that has built a town where he is called the prophet. Blackmore claims to have 26 wives and 80 children. He uses barnyard ovulation charts for both human and livestock females. He would be considered a pedophile for ordering more brides from Utah cousins when the girls start mensturating. Governments do nothing about the child abuse or incest as it would be stepping on religious freedom.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/bustupinbountiful/

Where is the consent here?

29. Comment #8454 by Nebularry on November 21, 2006 at 9:32 am

Breeding blank brains ready for radical religious brainwashing.

30. Comment #8790 by Anat on November 22, 2006 at 9:37 am

"The real question, as distasteful as it is, is "would you rather it was you and yours or they and theirs?".

What are you asking? Whom I'd rather have go through the sufferings brought about by over-population? As I said, not anyone I care about. Ideally nobody, but if people choose that for themselves, well...

31. Comment #50141 by logical on June 15, 2007 at 8:27 am

 avatarRD mentioned that womenīs movement raised consciousness, but nobody here seems to be familiar with European history on that topic: between the beginning of witchburnings ca 1500 and the invention of the rubber condom after 1900 this was the situation in Europe.
Of course child death was more common, too.
But: we got out of it, didnīt we?
1. This time we MUST recognize itīs about FORBIDDING what other people find the right thing to do (examples abortion and birth control are perfect) and
2. the rest is information - bestsellers and taking a stand in the most absurd TV programmes with elegance and eloquence like RD does!
Then girls the like Anat and I were hear of the idea to have control over our bodies and get out in time. Thatīs how it works.

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32. Comment #50160 by scottishgeologist on June 15, 2007 at 11:11 am

 avatarI came across this quiverful nonsense a few months ago. The mind boggles at this. If you go to the www.quiverfull.com web site you will find a book advertised: "Birthing God's Mighty Warriors" The book description is very revealing:

"We are living in the last days. An annointed generation must come to earth to help prepare the way of the Lord. Many in this generation will be children. Will these chosen children be allowed to come? Satan is trying hard to prevent their conceptions and births. Birthing God's Mighty Warriors exposes how Satan has used the secular idea of choice and modern medical advances to convince God's people to limit their family size through birth control and sterilization."

Notice "Last days" In other words, Jesus will turn up real soon now, so screw the environment. Note also the militaristic tone to the whole thing. Dominionism gone mad.

BTW, as a slight aside, there is a famous massive family in Scotland - the Campbells of Struan in the Isle of Skye. I *think*, correct me if I am wrong, but Mrs Campbell had something like 20 kids. They are Free Presbyterians - the strictest, most fundie sect in protestantism: women not allowed to have short hair, women not allowed to wear trousers (pants for you Yanks!) Strict Sabbatarianism, no dancing, drinking or having any sort of fun. Seceded from the Free Church coz it wasnt fundie enough....

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