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Document BEYOND REDUCTIONISM: Reinventing The Sacred

by Stuart A. Kauffman

Reposted from:
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Two fine authors, Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, have written recent books, The God Delusion and Breaking the Spell arguing against religion. Their views are based on contemporary science. But the largest convictions of contemporary science remain based on reductionism.

I would like to begin a discussion about the first glimmerings of a new scientific world view — beyond reductionism to emergence and radical creativity in the biosphere and human world. This emerging view finds a natural scientific place for value and ethics, and places us as co-creators of the enormous web of emerging complexity that is the evolving biosphere and human economics and culture. In this scientific world view, we can ask: Is it more astonishing that a God created all that exists in six days, or that the natural processes of the creative universe have yielded galaxies, chemistry, life, agency, meaning, value, consciousness, culture without a Creator. In my mind and heart, the overwhelming answer is that the truth as best we know it, that all arose with no Creator agent, all on its wondrous own, is so awesome and stunning that it is God enough for me and I hope much of humankind.

Introduction

kauffmanStuart A. Kauffman studies the origin of life and the origins of molecular organization. Thirty-five years ago, he developed the Kauffman models, which are random networks exhibiting a kind of self-organization that he terms "order for free." He asks a question that goes beyond those asked by other evolutionary theorists: if selection is operating all the time, how do we build a theory that combines self-organization (order for free) and selection? The answer lies in a "new" biology:

"While it may sound as if 'order for free' is a serious challenge to Darwinian evolution, it's not so much that I want to challenge Darwinism and say that Darwin was wrong. I don't think he was wrong at all. I have no doubt that natural selection is an overriding, brilliant idea and a major force in evolution, but there are parts of it that Darwin couldn't have gotten right. One is that if there is order for free — if you have complex systems with powerfully ordered properties — you have to ask a question that evolutionary theories have never asked: Granting that selection is operating all the time, how do we build a theory that combines self-organization of complex systems — that is, this order for free — and natural selection? There's no body of theory in science that does this. There's nothing in physics that does this, because there's no natural selection in physics — there's self organization. Biology hasn't done it, because although we have a theory of selection, we've never married it to ideas of self-organization. One thing we have to do is broaden evolutionary theory to describe what happens when selection acts on systems that already have robust self-organizing properties. This body of theory simply does not exist." (Chapter 20, "Order for Free", The Third Culture, 1995)

In the following essay, Kauffman frames a new scientific world view of emergence and ceaseless creativity, which, he notes, is "awesome in what has come to pass in reality, and God enough for me and many, where God is the creativity of the universe, yielding a global ethics of respect for all life, the planet, awe, wonder and spirituality cut free from a transcendent God."

— JB

STUART A. KAUFFMAN is a professor at the University of Calgary with a shared appointment between biological sciences and physics and astronomy. He is also the leader of the Institute for Biocomplexity and Informatics (IBI) which conducts leading-edge interdisciplinary research in systems biology.

Dr. Kauffman is also an emeritus professor of biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania, a MacArthur Fellow and an external professor at the Santa Fe Institute. He is the author of The Origins of Order, At Home in the Universe: The Search for the Laws of Self-Organization, and Investigations.


BEYOND REDUCTIONISM: REINVENTING THE SACRED

A great divide splits contemporary society between those who believe in a transcendent God, and those, including myself, who do not. In the West, and now throughout the world, the massive advances of science since Galileo and Newton have given birth to secular society. In the Christian and Jewish segments of the Abrahamic religions, the theistic God who intervened in the affairs of the world gave way in the Enlightenment to a Deistic God who wound up the universe, set the initial conditions, and allowed Newton's laws to carry on. This God no longer entered into the affairs of man. In the theistic tradition, God became either the God of the gaps, where science had yet to hold sway, or, contrary to science, God intervened in the running of the cosmos.

In the West, those who hold to a view of a theistic God, including the Christian fundamentalists of such power in the United States, find themselves in a cultural war with those who do not believe in a transcendent God, whether agnostic or atheistic. This war is evidenced by the fierce battle over Intelligent Design being waged politically and in the court systems of the United States. While the battleground is Darwinism, the deeply emotional issues are more fundamental. These include the belief of many religious people that without God's authority, morality has no basis. Literally, for those in the West who hold to these views, part of the passion underlying religious conviction is the fear that the very foundations of Western society will tumble if faith in a transcendent God is not upheld.

The majority of the Abrahamic peoples are Muslims. I know the Islamic world poorly, but believe that their fundamentalism again in part lies in these moral issues.

Beyond that, reductionism, wrought by the successes of Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Planck, and Schrodinger, and all that has followed, preeminently in physics, has, as I will expand upon in a moment, left us in world of fact — cold fact with no scientific place for value. "The more we know of the cosmos, the more meaningless it appears", said Stephen Weinberg in Dreams of a Final Theory. For example, Wolfgang Kohler, one of the founders of Gestalt psychology, wrote a mid 20th century book entitled hopefully: The Place of Value in a World of Fact. And just a few days ago, a conversation with a humanist professor at the University of Pennsylvania astonished me with her account of how we are again a meaningless world in the post modern world view rampant in the North American humanities.

On the other side of this vast divide than those who hold to a transcendent God and His authority for meaning and values, are the innumerable secular humanists, children of the enlightenment and contemporary science, who hold firmly to reality as revealed by science, find values in their love for their families and friends, a general sense of fairness and a morality that needs no basis in God's word. Yet we secular humanists have paid an unspoken price for our firm sense that (reductionist) science tells us what is real. First, we have no well wrought scientific basis for our humanity — despite the interesting fact that quantum mechanics on the Copenhagen interpretation assumes free willed physicists who choose what quantum features to measure and thereby change the physical world. The two cultures, science and humanities, remain firmly un-united. And equally important, we have been subtly robbed of our deep capacity for spiritualism. We have come to believe that spirituality is inherently co-localized with a belief in God, and that without such a belief, spirituality is inherently foolish, questionable, without foundation, wishful thinking, silly.

In turn, we lack a global ethic to constitute the transnational mythic value structure that can sustain the emerging global civilization. We tend to believe in the value of democracy and the free market. We are largely reduced to consumers. Here it is telling that Kenneth Arrow, brilliant Nobel Laureate in economics and friend, took part in a commission to "place a value" on preservation of National Parks and was stymied in his attempt to find a way to calculate that value based on utility to citizens. Thus, even in our enjoyment of the wild, we are reduced to consumers in our currant Weltanschauung.

Two fine authors, Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, have written recent books, The God Delusion and Breaking the Spell arguing against religion. Their views are based on contemporary science. But the largest convictions of contemporary science remain based on reductionism.

I would like to begin a discussion about the first glimmerings of a new scientific world view — beyond reductionism to emergence and radical creativity in the biosphere and human world. This emerging view finds a natural scientific place for value and ethics, and places us as co-creators of the enormous web of emerging complexity that is the evolving biosphere and human economics and culture. In this scientific world view, we can ask: Is it more astonishing that a God created all that exists in six days, or that the natural processes of the creative universe have yielded galaxies, chemistry, life, agency, meaning, value, consciousness, culture without a Creator. In my mind and heart, the overwhelming answer is that the truth as best we know it, that all arose with no Creator agent, all on its wondrous own, is so awesome and stunning that it is God enough for me and I hope much of humankind.

Thus, beyond the new science that glimmers a new world view, we have a new view of God, not as transcendent, not as an agent, but as the very creativity of the universe itself. This God brings with it a sense of oneness, unity, with all of life, and our planet — it expands our consciousness and naturally seems to lead to an enhanced potential global ethic of wonder, awe, responsibility within the bounded limits of our capacity, for all of life and its home, the Earth, and beyond as we explore the Solar System.

Reductionism

Like any other world view, reductionism is hard to pin down. The modern world view of reductionism clearly grows from the success of modern physics, but finds its roots in ancient Greek philosophy, that all is made of earth, air, fire, and water, or from atoms. Roughly, reductionism is the view that, as Nobel Laureate Stephen Weinberg eloquently puts it, the "explanatory arrows always point downward", from society to small groups to individuals to organs to cells to chemistry to physics and ultimately to something like Weinberg's Dreams of a Final Theory, a single set of laws, elegant in their form, like General Relativity, which, in Weinberg's sense, explains all. A large majority of contemporary scientists are reductionists. If pressed, most would roughly say that the behavior of complex wholes is nothing more that the laws governing the behaviors of the parts and their interactions. An example well known in physics is the purported successful reduction of classical thermodynamics to statistical mechanics. Here temperature is equated with the mean kinetic energy of particles, pressure with the energy transfer to bounding walls, and the famous second law of thermodynamics is equated with a "flow" of an isolated thermodynamic system from less to more probable macrostates. I have used the caveat "purported" because — an issue too technical to go into here — the reduction requires the truth of the "ergodic hypothesis" and there is some evidence that it might be false.

With reductionism comes the conviction that a court proceeding to try a man for murder is "really" nothing but the movement of atoms, electrons, and other particles in space, quantum and classical events, and ultimately to be explained by, say, string theory.

Beyond Reductionism

We begin with the growing doubt among many physicists themselves that reductionism itself suffices. Nobel Laureate Philip Anderson wrote a famous article, "More is Different", some decades ago, arguing that reductionism is wonderful, but not enough. A computer computing a complex algorithm can be made of transistors or water buckets — it is able to run on multiple physical platforms. Hence reducing the computer to any particular physical basis is insufficient to explain the computer. The drift away from reductionism among physicists is most pronounced among solid state physicists, who deal with such things as metals, glasses, spin glasses, and systems with many "broken symmetries". Robert Laughlin, solid state physicist and Nobel laureate, argues strenuously against the full efficacy of reductionism in A Different Universe. The physicists who hold out for a firm reductionism are, like Weinberg himself, largely high energy particle physicists, seeking that final theory — say string theory.

But it is precisely in the province of string theory itself, that doubts are arising. The early hope was that a single string theory would be found that would explain quantum gravity and all the known particles and forces. Such a single string theory would be the answer to Weinberg's dream of a final theory. But at present, it appears that there are as many as 10 to the 500th power string theories. Hope for a single theory is fast fading and a number of high energy physicists are abandoning reductionism in the sense of finding such a single theory. Thus, Leonard Susskind, in the Cosmic Landscape, suggests a multiverse of "pocket universes", each with a randomly chosen string theory, and a landscape over these "pocket universes" with respect to those whose laws are life friendly. As a critical side note, part of Susskind's move is an attempt to explain the roughly 23 physical constants in physics like the speed of light, the ratio of electron to proton mass, and so on. No one knows where these constants come from or how to explain them. Weinberg himself uttered the "A" word — anthropic. According to this idea, there are many universes, and only those with constants that support the evolution of intelligent life would have such life to wonder at the values of the constants.

In short, many, but not all physicists, are giving up on the adequacy of reductionism alone as a scientific principle to explain the properties of the world. In its stead a new scientific world view is just starting to come into view: Emergence.

Emergence

Roughly speaking emergence breaks into two sub-views, epistemological and ontological emergence. The former says that complex systems are too complex to be explained by reductionistic practices, but that ontologically, reductionism holds. The ontological view is that new entities with their own properties and causal powers arise and are part of the furniture of the universe. I hold strongly to this view and will present a number of cases that appear to support it.

1) The origin of life and its non-reducibility to physics. We do not, in fact, know how or where life started, although most scientists believe that life on earth started on earth some 3.8 billion years ago, shortly after the planet cooled enough for liquid water to form. As an alternative, life might have started elsewhere and arrived here through space, Crick's Panspermia concept.

There are several alternative views about how life emerged on earth, none established. In short summary: The first view notes the remarkable properties of the DNA and RNA double helix, and hopes that a single strand of RNA can serve as a template primer to add A, U, C and G nucleotides to Watson Crick match those of the template and be ligated into proper 3'-5' phosophodiester bonds to replicate the template, then the two strands melt apart, and cycle again. Forty years of hard work have not succeeded for good chemical reasons. Most now doubt that life started this way. The second view is the "RNA World" view. It was discovered that RNA molecules can not only carry genetic information, but act as enzymes, speeding chemical reactions. Work is underway to create an RNA enzyme, or ribozyme, that can copy any RNA molecule including itself. The probability that an RNA molecule can catalyze a given reaction is roughly 10 divided by 10 raised to the 15th power. It is conceivable that such a molecule can arise by chance, but it faces the difficulty that were it to copy itself and make errors, those error copies would be more error prone than the initial copy, and a run away error catastrophe might ensue.

In short, such a molecule might not be stable in evolution. The third view is the "lipid" view, in which hollow spheres of bilayered lipids, called liposomes, can grow and divide. This has been demonstrated experimentally. It may plausibly be part of the origin of life. The fourth view is my own and that of Freeman Dyson, and may also be part of the origin of life. I noted that cellular life is based on collective autocatalysis, where catalysis is the speeding up of a chemical reaction. Thus imagine two polymers, A and B, where each catalyzes the formation of the other out of fragments of the other. That is collective autocatalysis. No molecule catalyzes its own formation, rather the set as a whole is collectively autocatalytic, and achieves catalytic closure. Cells are collectively autocatalytic today. Reza Ghadiri has made collectively autocatalytic small protein systems, and Gunter von Kiederowski has made collectively autocatalytic DNA systems. Thus self reproduction of polymers has been achieved experimentally by good chemists in a lab.

My own theory starts with stating this as a possibility then goes on the ask whether, in a large set of polymers that can act as substrates and products of reactions and also act as catalysts of those very reactions, one would expect such autocatalytic sets to arise "spontaneously". Strikingly, the answer can be yes, depending upon the ratio of reactions among the polymers in the system to the polymer diversity itself, and the distribution of catalytic capacities for those reactions among the same set of polymers. In simple models, as the diversity of polymers increases, so many reactions are catalyzed that autocatalytic sets form spontaneously with high probability. This part of the theory remains to be tested, but can by use of libraries of random DNA, RNA and proteins. The fifth view is metabolism first. Morowitz believes that metabolism can form autocatalytic cycles on its own, and indeed it does, and that metabolism and autocatalysis arose first.

Clearly none of the theories above is adequate. But one gets the firm sense that science is moving in on possible routes to the origin of life on earth. If some combination of the metabolism, polymer autocatalysis and lipid first view can be formulated and tested in a new "Systems Chemistry", we may find the answers we seek.

Suppose we do. It will be a scientific triumph of course. But if such self reproducing and, via heritable variations, evolving systems are formed, are they ontologically emergent with respect to physics? I believe the answer is yes. Darwin taught us about natural selection and evolution. He did not know the basis for self reproduction or heritable variation. But given these, evolution by natural selection follows. Such evolving life forms would be subject to Darwin's law, which arises only for entities capable of self reproduction and heritable variation. This seems clearly to be ontological emergence, not reducible to physics. Like Anderson's computer able to run on transisitors or buckets of water, Darwin's natural selection can run on multiple physical platforms, where the entities under selection have their own causal powers, and natural selection cannot be reduced to any specific physical platform.

Indeed, it is possible that minor changes in the constants of the physicists would still yield universes in which life, heritable variation and natural selection would obtain. Note that while the physicist might deduce that a specific set of molecules was self reproducing, and had heritable variations and instantiated natural selection, one cannot deduce natural selection from the specific physics of any specific case(s), or even this universe, alone. In short, Darwin's natural selection is a new law operating on the level of self reproducing entities with heritable variation, regardless of the physical underpinning. In contrast to Weinberg's claim, here the explanatory arrows point upward from molecules to the evolution of living systems of molecules via natural selection.

2) Agency: You are now reading this article, presumably on purpose. You are able to act on your own behalf. You are the clearest example we have of agency. It is utterly remarkable that agency has arisen in the universe — systems that are able to act on their own behalf. Systems that modify the universe on their own behalf. Out of agency comes value and meaning. This article either is, or is not interesting to you, hence is or is not valuable. It may change your world view, hence have deep meaning.

It becomes interesting to ask what the minimal physical system is that can act as an agent. In Investigations, I sought to answer this, by proposing that a minimal molecular agent is a system which can reproduce itself and carry out at least one work cycle in the thermodynamic sense. I will not go into the ramifications of this, which are puzzling and I hope important. On this account, a bacterium, swimming up a glucose gradient, and performing work cycles, is an agent, and glucose has value and meaning for the bacterium, without assuming consciousness.

Of course it is natural selection that has achieved this coupling. But teleological language has to start somewhere, and I am willing to place it at the start of life. Either here, or later in the evolutionary pathways, meaning and value arise in the biosphere. They too are ontologically emergent. We have a natural place for value in a world of fact, for the world is not just fact: agents act on the world and actions are not just facts, for the action itself is a subset of the causal consequences of what occurs during an act, and that relevant subset cannot be deduced from physics.

3) We are, in fact, conscious. That is, we have experiences of the world. The philosophers call these "qualia". For years, philosophers of mind have tried to argue that such experiences are "ghosts in the machine". This is just false.

We are, in fact, conscious. Whatever explains consciousness, it is clearly ontologically emergent. There are three radically different views on the cause of consciousness, none known to be true.

The first in the West, is that mind derives from direct connection to the mind of God — St. Augustines view, and to my astonishment, not far from that of Schrodinger, one of the inventors of quantum mechanics. In Tibetan Buddhism, consciousness is continuous, and thus underwrites reincarnation. The second, predominant view among cognitive scientists is that consciousness arises when enough computational elements are networked together. In this view, a mind is a machine, and a complex set of buckets of water pouring water into one another would become conscious. I just cannot believe this. I cannot however disprove it, but I can offer arguments against it.

On this view, the mind is algorithmic. With Penrose, in The Emperor's New Mind, I believe that the mind is not algorithmic, although it can act algorithmically. If it is not algorithmic, then the mind is not a machine and consciousness may not arise in a classical — as opposed to possibly to a quantum — system. Penrose bases his argument on the claim that in seeking a proof a mathematician does not follow an algorithm himself. I think he is right, but the example is not felicitous, for the proof itself is patently an algorithm, and how do we know that the mathematician did not subconsciously follow that algorithm in finding the proof.

My arguments start from humbler conditions. Years ago my computer sat on my front table, plugged into a floor socket. I feared my family would bump into the cord and pull the computer off the table, breaking it. I now describe the table: 3 x 5 feet, three wooden boards on top, legs with certain carvings, chipped paint with the wood surface showing through with indefinitely many distances between points on the chipped flecks, two cracks, one crack seven feet from the fireplace, eleven feet from the kitchen, 238,000 miles from the moon, a broken leaf on the mid board of the top…..You get the idea that there is no finite description of the table — assuming for example continuous spacetime.

So I invented a solution. I jammed the cord into one of the cracks and pulled it tight so that my family would not be able to pull the computer off the table. Now it seems to me that there is no way to turn this Herculian mental performance into an algorithm. How would one bound the features of the situation finitely? How would one even list the features of the table in a denumerably infinite list? One cannot. Thus it seems to me that no algorithm was performed. As a broader case, we are all familiar with struggling to formulate a problem. Do you remotely think that your struggle is an effective "mechanical" or algorithmic procedure? I do not. I also do not know how to prove that a given performance is not algorithmic. What would count as such a proof? So I must leave my conviction with you, unproven, but powerful I think. If true, then the mind is not a machine.

The third view of mind and consciousness, which I tentatively favor, is that it is related to quantum behavior. The standard physicist's answer is that quantum effects cannot occur at body temperature. Indeed, Schrodinger says this, then says of consciousness, "I am become God". However, recent theorems in quantum computing, and facts about cells cast doubt on this conclusion. The theorems show that, if measurements are made and work is done on a quantum computer, its qubits can remain "quantum coherent" when they should "decohere" towards classical behavior. Thus, if work is done on a system, parts of it may remain quantum coherent at body temperature in principle.

But cells do thermodynamic work and might be able to carry out such measurements and work to maintain some variables quantum coherent. Second, cells are crowded by proteins and other molecules, and the water between these molecules is largely ordered, not like an ordinary liquid. This may permit quantum coherence physically in cells. No one knows. It seems worth investigation in its own right. Meanwhile, my approximate theory is that mind is acausal, quantum mechanics is acausal on the familiar Born interpretation of the Schrodinger equation, (to the grief of Einstein), that consciousness is due to a special state where a system is persistently poised between quantum and classical behavior, that the emergence of classical behavior in the mind-brain system, perhaps by decoherence, is the "mind making something actual" happen in the physical world, and — big jump — that consciousness itself consists in this quantum coherent state as lived by the organism. This is a long jump, but not impossible. I don't even think it is stupider than other theories of consciousness, and may be true. Whatever the case, consciousness is ontologically emergent in this universe.

The Biosphere and Human Culture are Ceaselessly Creative in Ways that Cannot be Foretold.

The third, rather astonishing theme that is emerging in this new world view is that the biosphere and human culture are ceaselessly creative in ways that are fundamentally unpredictable and presumably non-algorithmic or machine like.

I begin with Darwinian adaptations and preadaptations. Were one to ask Darwin what the function of the heart is, he would have replied, "To pump blood". That is, the causal consequence of the heart for virtue of which it was selected by natural selection is pumping blood. But the heart makes heart sounds. These are not the function of the heart. Thus, the function of the heart is a subset of its causal consequences and must be analyzed in the context of the whole organism in its selective environment. Again this says that biology cannot be reduced to physics, for while the string theorist might (actually could not) deduce all the properties of a given heart, he/she would have no way to pick out as the relevant property that of pumping blood. But it is that property that accounts for the existence of hearts in the biosphere.

Now a Darwinian preadaptation is a causal consequence of a part of an organism of no selective significance in the normal environment, but which might be of use in some odd environment, hence become the subject of natural selection. Here the organ was "preadapted" for this novel function in the biosphere. A fanciful example concerns the squirrel Gertrude who happened to have a single Mendelian dominant mutant that gave her flaps of skin from arms to legs on both sides. (Darwinian preadaptations need not rely on new mutations in general, but I use them for my friend Gertrude, who lived 65,394,003 years ago in Guatemala.) Gertrude was so ugly that the rest of the squirrels would not play or eat with her. She was in a magnolia tree eating lunch sadly and alone when Bertha, an early owl in a neighboring pine, spied Gertrude, thought "Lunch", dived towards Gertrude horrid claws extended…..Gertrude was terrified. Suddenly she jumped from the tree, arms and legs flung wide. "Ghaaaa!" cried Gertrude, then looked, incredulous, as she flew. And she escaped the befuddled Bertha. Well, Gertrude became a heroine in her clan, was married in a lovely civil ceremony to a handsome squirrel not a month later, and thanks to her dominant mutation, all their children had similar flaps of skin. And that is how flying squirrels came to exist in the biosphere. I like Gertrude a lot.

It is critical that virtually any extant feature of an organism can become the subject of natural selection in the appropriate environment, and typically, if selected, a novel functionality arises in the biosphere and universe. Now the critical question: Do you think you could say ahead of time, or finitely prestate, all possible Darwinian preadaptations of, say species alive now, or even humans? I have not found anyone who thought the answer was yes. I do not know how to prove my claim that the answer is "No", but part of the problem is that we cannot finitely prestate the relevant features of all possible selective environments for all organisms with respect to all their features.

But the failure to prestate the possible preadaptations is not slowing down the evolution of the biosphere where preadaptations are widely known. Thus, ever novel functionalities come to exist and proliferate in the biosphere. The fact that we cannot prestate them is essential, and an essential limitation to the way Newton taught us to do science: Prestate the relevant variables, forces acting among them, initial and boundary conditions, and calculate the future evolution of the system…say projectile. But we cannot prestate the relevant causal features of organisms in the biosphere. We do not know now the relevant variables! Thus we cannot write down a set of equations for the temporal evolution of these variables. We are profoundly precluded from the Newtonian move. In short, the evolution of the biosphere is radically unknowable, not due to quantum throws of the dice, or deterministic chaos, but because we cannot prestate the macroscopic relevant features of organisms and environments that will lead to the emergence of novel functions in the biosphere with their own causal properties that in turn alter the future evolution of the biosphere. Thus, the evolution of the biosphere is radically creative, ceaselessly creative, in way that cannot be foretold. I find this wonderful.

I believe this fact means that the evolution of the biosphere is non-algorithmic. It cannot be simulated, certainly with continuous spacetime and quantum mechanics playing a role.

The same Darwinian preadaptations occur in the evolution of the economy. The story concerns engineers trying to invent the tractor. They would need a massive engine block. They tried it on chasse after chasse, all of which broke. Finally one of the engineers said, "The engine block itself is so massive and rigid that we can use the engine block itself as the chasse." And that is how tractors are made. Now the rigidity of the tractor was a Darwinian preadaptation, a causal feature useful for a new function. Its discovery was a true invention. But this means that the technological evolution of the econosphere is also not finitely prestatable, nor presumably algorithmic. It too is ceaselessly creative, expanding from some 1000 goods and services say 50,000 years ago to perhaps 10 billion today.

And human culture, in general, is ceaselessly creative as the biosphere and culture expand into what I call the Adjacent Possible. Here the point is that, at levels of complexity above the atom, the universe has not had time to make all possible complex objects, such as all proteins length 200. The universe, at these levels of complexity, is on a unique trajectory. So when my friend Gertrude flew, she changed the material and behavioral features of the evolving universe. So did Picasso.

In short, in wondrous ways, these our universe, biosphere, econosphere, and culture are ceaselessly creative and emergent. The two cultures, science and humanities, stand united in this world view. Meaning and value have a scientific base. And ethics? At a recent meeting on science and religion on Star Island, we heard more than one lecture on animal emotions and the sense of fairness in chimpanzees. Group selection, we were told, is now making its way into evolutionary biology. With it, natural selection can get its grip on behaviors that are advantageous to the group, like fairness, so it emerges. Far from evolution being anathema to ethics, evolution is the first source of human morality. But not the last, for we can argue whether we should want what we want.

God and a Global Ethic

God is the most powerful symbol we have created. The Spaniards in the New World built their churches on the holy sites of those they vanquished. Notre Dame sits on a Druid holy site. Shall we use the God word? It is our choice. Mine is a tentative "yes". I want God to mean the vast ceaseless creativity of the only universe we know of, ours. What do we gain by using the God word? I suspect a great deal, for the word carries with it awe and reverence. If we can transfer that awe and reverence, not to the transcendental Abrahamic God of my Israelite tribe long ago, but to the stunning reality that confronts us, we will grant permission for a renewed spirituality, and awe, reverence and responsibility for all that lives, for the planet.

Does one know that such a transformation of human sensibilities will happen? Of course not. But the sense of justice matured in the Abrahamic tradition from 10 eyes for an eye, to an eye for an eye, to love thine enemy as thyself. Then can a heightened consciousness bring about a global ethic? I believe so. I believe, I hope correctly, that what I have sketched above is true, points to a new vision of our co-creating reality, that it invites precisely an enhancement of our sense of spirituality, reverence, wonder, and responsibility, and can form the basis of a trans-national mythic structure for an emerging global civilization.

Co-Evolving Traditions

To ever succeed, this new view needs to be soft spoken. You see, we can say, here is reality, is it not worthy of stunned wonder? What more could we want of a God? Yes, we give up a God who intervenes on our behalf. We give up heaven and hell. But we gain ourselves, responsibility, and maturity of spirit. I know that saying that ethics derives from evolution undercuts the authority of God as its source. But do we need such a God now? I think not. Nor do we need the spiritual wasteland that post-modernism has brought us. Beyond my admired friend Kenneth Arrow, natural parks are valuable because life is valuable on its own, a wonder of emergence, evolution and creativity. Reality is truly stunning. So if you find this useful, let us go forth, as was said long ago, and invite consideration by others of this new vision of reality. With it, let us recreate spiritual community and membership. Let us go forth. Civilization needs to be changed.

References:

Anderson, P. 1972. More is different. Science 177: 393—396.
Dawkins, R. 2006. The God Delusion. Houghton Mifflin, Boston.
Dennett, D. 2006. Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon. Viking Adult, NYC.
Laughlin. 2005. A Different Universe: Reinventing Physics from the Bottom Down. Basic Books, NYC.
Kauffman, S. 2000. Investigations. Oxford University Press, Oxford.
Schrödinger, E. 2946. What is Life? Macmillan, NYC.
Susskind, L. 2006. The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the Illusion of Intelligent Design. Little, Brown and Company, NYC.
Weinberg, S. 1992. Dreams of a Final Theory. Vintage Books, NYC.

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1. Comment #8201 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 3:52 pm

Phew...that was a big one to get through, and I'm MOSTLY glad I did. The way it started sounded a bit...sketchy, but I guess it pulls together in its own way.

I personally disagree with naming the "creativity" of the world "God." I think that name is already far too well spoken for, and would prefer to leave it out if at all possible.

I'm also not entirely sure about the little plug for "group selection" down at the end of the article, but I suppose that's only because I haven't read anything else that, to me, supports group selection as the ONLY means by which any particular changes come about. Not to say that I'm well read, though, so I would consider such evidence if I found it.

I guess what I disagree with most, however, is the idea that we need to be soft spoken. I guess there will be time for that later, maybe if the rational worldview ever becomes more well-established and respected rather than just mistrusted and slandered by the faithful.

But for now, it's too risky to coddle the faithful too much. I'm afraid most people WOULD NOT give up their intervening, personal god, even if shown the idea that god is merely "creativity" in complex systems.

They'd probably adopt that creativity as only another facet of what makes their own particular flavor of deity superior to all the others. "See, he gave the world CREATIVITY! God knows all!"

Still, I'm rather interested in the sorts of things this article talks about. I'd love to see what OTHER scientists say about his ideas, though. But that's just skepticism for you, I guess...I can't apply it selectively :)

2. Comment #8205 by Martha on November 20, 2006 at 3:58 pm

The reason why "Believers" cling to the notion of a God (of their imposed, not freely-chosen faith) is because they don't want to face up to the fact that they were effectively motherless children. That is, emotionally abandoned by their mothers (and fathers) - in other words, not unconditionally loved, as ALL children NATURALLY expect of their parents and/or guardians! Religious people are psychologically as infants, terrified of the prospect of being alone in the world, so their hostility and defensiveness is understandable. After all, who of us wants to be told the truth that we were not wanted and therefore loved by our own mother!

3. Comment #8219 by Ewan D on November 20, 2006 at 4:32 pm

For a treasure trove of fullsome video interviews with intellectuals of many stripes (to those who haven't encountered it yet) I heartily recommend http://meaningoflife.tv/

Whatever my first impressions I invariably found sympathy for some aspect of the various speakers' stances - all admirable spokespeople for a range of scientific/pseudoscientific and (brace yourselves) religious outlooks.

The common thread is interviewer (and author) Robert Wright's intuited sense of purpose in the universe - an idea which is either embraced or rejected by the interviewees - but some highly illuminating conversations arise.

Was reminded of the site after reading a few lines of the above article. Now to finish it!

4. Comment #8226 by Deborah on November 20, 2006 at 5:02 pm

I liked the article overall, but I found the argument that consciousness could not be a classical phenomenon, and that it could not be realized on a computing machine, not at all convincing.

We have very little experience with massively parallel computers like the human brain. The argument really seems like nothing more than the argument from personal incredulity. I don't think it's correct to extrapolate from today's desktop computers to something with the same complexity and degree of parallelism as the human brain.

5. Comment #8231 by Aussie on November 20, 2006 at 5:15 pm

asdf,

I would add to your list another two that I consider probably the most important:

14. Promise of eternal life
15. Fear of eternal damnation

6. Comment #8233 by Theo on November 20, 2006 at 5:20 pm

Amazing! It's like stupidity has somehow become profound. Is it really that important to you all that some dumb shmuck out here believes because it makes sense to him/her? What do you care? Chalk it up to ignorance and get on with what you pretend is science. But, you can't do that, can you? You have an agenda that you think is so deep that nobody can see you. Wrong!

7. Comment #8237 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 5:31 pm

RE: Post 7: Theo, comment #8233

Aww, come on! If you're going to troll, you have to build it up over a couple of posts. Getting it all out in one go only makes us laugh. Keep at it, I'm sure you'll get it one day.

Cheers!

8. Comment #8241 by Theo on November 20, 2006 at 5:37 pm

Are you the 'real' Jared', the one on John's site?

Ok, give me time. I'll try to keep up. smiley face

9. Comment #8254 by Theo on November 20, 2006 at 6:14 pm

The 'us' reference was a slip. Big mistake. Gonna cost you.

10. Comment #8256 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 6:20 pm

I can't say I know what site you're talking about, Theo...All I can say is that this is the last off topic response I'll be making. It's two and then I'm out...that's my rule on threadjacking. Feel free to make me pay all you like, though. Or 'us,' as you seem to think that word significant.

Cheers!

11. Comment #8257 by Theo on November 20, 2006 at 6:32 pm

John Brockman: edge.org Guess not. Have a great day. Love to discourse. Maybe you and I might do so, although this thread will disappear shortly. Try my little blog: jimalfredson.spaces.live.com

Be cool

12. Comment #8303 by Jared on November 20, 2006 at 8:48 pm

Re: johnc (comment #8282):

I agree with your logic, for the most part. I still personally dislike the invocation of god, as it seems a muddying of the waters, but can perhaps admit that it may have usefulness. Just not from my own mouth!

Also, I guess I'm sort of in the Dawkins camp on reductionism. To me, I find no "cold pointlessness" in reducing things to as simple of terms as can be managed. I personally get a profound sense of wonder whenever I think of how EVERYTHING essentially (in theory) comes from a couple of handfuls of basic rules. Almost the same appreciation I get when looking at the wide range of animals and plants that have arisen through natural selection.

I'm not about to quibble about whether reductionism truly answers all questions, as I'm certainly not academically prepared to do so. I guess I'm merely stating that, if (as Kauffman seems to think) our worst case scenario is a reductionist one, I for one am more than prepared to live in such a world. I suppose through some sort of higher-level pointlessness, I can be free to privilege whatever purposes I may apply to my own short span of years.

All that being said, I can STILL understand how many people (especially Theists and newly-minted non-Theists) might not find my level of comfort and elegance in a reductionist world.

Sorry for the lengthy reply rant, your post sort of got me off on a tangent!

Cheers!

13. Comment #8393 by Martin on November 21, 2006 at 5:45 am

A wonderful article.

Took a while to read.. and I'll have to go back and attack it with a dictionary to fully understand it, but I think it's rather interesting and Kauffmann's view is certainly one worth investigating.

14. Comment #8424 by maryhelena on November 21, 2006 at 7:27 am

Well now, what do we have here if not a new version of god. Well done to Stuart Kauffman! In some earlier post of mine I made some comment to the effect that 'once again, god is on the move….'. Little did I know that my suspicion would so quickly be verified ;-) I'll admit to being dumb regarding the intricacies of science - but Kauffman', as a scientist, presents a view of god that speaks volumes about his commitment not just to science but to the very heart of human spirituality.

"Thus, beyond the new science that glimmers a new world view, we have a new view of God, not as transcendent, not as an agent, but as the very creativity of the universe itself. This God brings with it a sense of oneness, unity, with all of life, and our planet — it expands our consciousness and naturally seems to lead to an enhanced potential global ethic of wonder, awe, responsibility within the bounded limits of our capacity, for all of life and its home, the Earth, and beyond as we explore the Solar System. I want God to mean the vast ceaseless creativity of the only universe we know of, ours".

God, says Kauffman, " is the most powerful symbol we have created". This being so, then I doubt very much if any marketing manager would be so quick to dump such a crowd pleasing symbol. God sells, draws the crowds - why would anyone think they can out smart such a proven symbol of human spirituality? Indeed, the theistic god can lead to delusions - but god as a symbol - different ball game here.

Kauffman says "If we can transfer that awe and reverence, not to the transcendental Abrahamic God of my Israelite tribe long ago, but to the stunning reality that confronts us, we will grant permission for a renewed spirituality, and awe, reverence and responsibility for all that lives, for the planet".

It would be sad if atheists were to take flight at Kauffman' retention of the god symbol. Ultimately, it's not the symbol that is important but the reality behind it - in this case the "ceaseless creativity" of the known world. However, symbols do have merit; brand names are big business. In this case it's not economic reasons that we are considering - it's reasons of accommodation, of finding a meeting place where a framework, a world view, can begin to develop.

Yes, I also liked Kauffman' view that " To ever succeed, this new view needs to be soft spoken". However much Dawkins' in-your-face style might suit closet atheists, I just can't see it getting through to theists. And yet, he says of TGD "If this book works as I intend, religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it down". I fail to how one can, intellectually/theologically speaking, knock someone to the ground and then tell them to get up and rub ones back for one - or the equivalent. Some people might like the shock treatment - but I doubt it will appeal to the majority of theists. Actually, the choice presented to them - a choice between theism and atheism is not only unattractive - it is dangerously misleading. Kauffman hits the nail on the head here - what's needed is some way to "transfer that awe and reverence" to a new, a better, a more 21st century idea of god. Throughout history people have changed gods - but god, or gods, they will stick to like glue. Logically, then, gently, slowly, acclimatize people to the benefits of the new god.

Full marks to Stuart Kauffman for rising to the challenge. It is vision the world needs and he has provided a framework from within which a forward movement might begin.

15. Comment #8465 by Martha on November 21, 2006 at 10:44 am

Hello asdf:

Your first point (1. example or pressure from parents, professors, or any authority figure;)
exactly confirms my point. In other words, parents who LOVE their children do not put any pressure on them to conform to anything! On the contrary, the help them make up their own mind about whatever friends and groups they choose. So ultimately, by the time they are adults proper, they have made free-er choices than those who are pressurised to conform to the norm as children.

16. Comment #8508 by Nebularry on November 21, 2006 at 12:43 pm

I don't like the idea of substituting one God for another god. Why? Because the religious fundamentalists will confuse my god (or, in this case Kauffman's god) with their God the one who sits in the sky doling out punishments or rewards depending on whether one believes in him or not. At that point one has to start defining what one means by "god" and do you think there is a fundamentalist alive who could follow Kauffman's discussion? A number of posts above mine have already alluded to the density of Kauffman's essay. A religious wacko fundamentalist would clutch his Bible, curl up into a fetal position and start chanting, "I do believe. I do believe. I do believe."

So, let's just do without God or god altogether, eh?

17. Comment #8509 by Vadjong on November 21, 2006 at 12:54 pm

I enjoyed reading "At Home in the Universe" tremendously, and learned a lot, But ... I don't know about the language of this article.
Don't get me wrong, emergence is an 'awe-inspiring' and deeply basic (or basically deep) phenomenon, but why put it as some sort of 'antidote' for reductionism ? Why does reductionism have such a bad rep ? It's just a tool to gain knowledge, to further understanding (Unweaving the Rainbow and all that). It doesn't add or subtract value judgements. Couldn't you say we 'found' the principle of emergence by using (mostly mathematical) reductionism on complex systems ? I mean, we are thinking in different, yet non-exclusive categories here.
To me, although I feel the underlying intentions of Mr. Kauffman are noble and correct, the WAY it is said can easily be misconstrued as dreadful New Age PAP. Sorry.

18. Comment #8515 by Valadon on November 21, 2006 at 1:30 pm

Post #8485
"We have Emergence, which is a more powerful idea by far. God is a fundamentally useless notion, the idea of a great sky being running our lives, a cosmic intervenor and creator. Emergence... emergence is the idea that we are agents in a mysterious and wonderful process."

I agree with you John...we already have Emergence..it is called evolution...this is informed by the reductionism of science (experiment and observation), but it is not limited to reductionism by virtue of our understanding of evolution as emergence and described by Professor Dawkins as the simple becoming more complex...(this idea is not simply reductive, but additive and expansive) And in addition there is cross pollination in terms of interdisciplinary study.

19. Comment #8580 by Jared on November 21, 2006 at 6:31 pm

Re: johnC (Comment #8548)
"So reductionism can mislead; it can also be enlisted in the cause of mischief"

Of course it can. So can EVERYTHING. Literally any theory, any concept, any ideology, or any truth-seeking mechanism can be used for wicked means. It doesn't make an approach invalid to suggest that it can be used for ill if a practitioner is so inclined or if the concepts involved are poorly understood.

But, really, I'm just pulling at straws here. I can't say I would advocate an either/or position on the ideas presented in this article and agree, mostly, with your view that they are complimentary.

Heck, I'd be pleased with just about any rational discourse that helps dethrone religions and personal gods, so long as it can defend its position or, if not, give way to another more rational position. That's what this is all about, in the end.

Cheers.

20. Comment #8666 by maryhelena on November 21, 2006 at 11:57 pm

johnc

From TGD

'Nevertheless, I wish that physicists would refrain from using the word God in their special metaphorical sense……….the metaphorical or pantheistic God….is light years away from….the God of the Bible……Deliberately to confuse the two, is, in my opinion, an act of intellectual high treason".

I don't think, from considering this quote, that I could possible put Dawkins approach as complimentary to that of Kauffman i.e. complementary in connection with reaching theists. That there is a place for Dawkins style is very possible, particularly in regard to closet atheists - and maybe even to a much smaller extent as a public awareness demonstration of the atheist position. However, in this case it's not without it's problems - atheists are not being shown in a favorable light and some atheists have voiced their concern. Dawkins, in his recent article on this site, displayed his frustration with the "I'm an atheist But" position. His take-no-prisoners style is coming across as dogmatic - hence the dreaded word 'fundamentalist' is often being thrown his way.

Dawkins need to realize that people are not in their religions 'for the money', they are not there for facts. They are there because religion is offering something that money, that scientific facts, cannot buy or provide. It offers them a 'home', a spiritual home, a place to feel secure, comfortable and connected to their fellow travellers. Atheism, in and of itself, offers nothing at all. Knocking 'faith heads' for wanting a 'soft place to fall' is not only potentially disrespectful - it is also ourselves that we shortchange. It's a fundamental part of human nature to want to be 'seen' by others, to be acknowledged, to be accepted, to be heard. 'A soft place to fall' is what we all would like - a little back up now and again, a hand to hold and a dream to share. This is not some hangover from childhood. It is instead a mature awareness of our humanity, an awareness that is the cornerstone of our adulthood. 'Home' - even ET wanted to go 'home'….

Perhaps if Dawkins were to look upon religion as being the spiritual home of people, rather than a set of theological window dressing, he might just be able to show some degree of respect for that home. Home, for many people, is sacred ground - and not just the spiritual/religious home. 'Home' in it's ethnicity and it's racial connotations is a very deeply felt part of the human experience. 'Home' is where we have come from - it has, so to speak, become us. It's part of who we are, our identity.

As regards the Theos survey. It was not 'religion as smallpox' that was the question, but faith that was compared to smallpox. And, yes, indeed, the response was 42%. Yet, with the following question: "On balance, religion is a force for good in society", the result was 53%. Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here. Were people being asked if they viewed religion minus faith a force for good - and, with the first question, asked to view faith as something separate from religion. It all sounds rather double talk to me…

Perhaps where I differ from a lot, perhaps most, of the posters to this site is that I don't accept the approach that " We are after all in a kind of war". But we are not in a war. The existence of god cannot be proven or disproved. It's fundamentalism that wants it's war cry, not reason. Dawkins could perhaps take heed of that NT character, John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness. As the story goes, John the Baptist prepared the way, admonishing repentance because the new dispensation, the kingdom of god, was near. It was left to another, Jesus, to demonstrate the framework, for want of a better word, that this new dispensation would inaugurate. John, as the story goes, lost his head, and it was left to Jesus, with his self-sacrifice on the cross and by his 'resurrection, to lay the foundation of the new world view.

So, perhaps in this type of analogy, Dawkins does have a role, a limited role - not a complimentary role in the task of reaching theist, but a role, as he says of consciousness raising in regard to atheist pride. Perhaps Dawkins could be viewed as a forerunner. A forerunner not able to participate in the holistic enterprise that is needed to build a 21 century all encompassing world view. Dawkins great mind is one-dimensional. Great for the task he has set himself of demonstrating, scientifically, the improbability of a theistic god - but nevertheless a mind unable to comprehend the role god, and religion, have played, and will continue to play, in the history of the human species.

What is needed now is not more people like Dawkins - it's more people like Kauffman that we need. More people who are willing to take on board the whole bang shoot of our human nature and, instead of decrying it's illogical tendencies, find, for everyone, a measure of respect and dignity.

21. Comment #8739 by maryhelena on November 22, 2006 at 6:19 am

johnc

"Dawkins' personal views on the Kauffman approach (and vice versa) are actually irrelevant as to whether they are objectively complementary in the struggle for sanity."

Dawkins is, of course, entitled to his view that keeping the god concept in some special metaphorical sense is an "act of intellectual high treason". In the broader context, in the 'struggle for sanity', do such words as 'high treason' have validity, have a role to play? And if not, is not the use of such words an indication that the two approaches, Dawkins and Kauffman, are not complimentary but at loggerheads? Looks to me that the victors in the battle with fundamentalism could well end up fighting over the spoils….Dawkins clamoring for religious refugees and Kauffman seeking their spiritual renewal….I really can't see Dawkins being prepared to back-step a little - but who knows, perhaps once the theistic god is out of the way that he might be prepared to take another look at the god question….


OK - I'm with you in that 'war' - the one "with the reactionary advocates of theocracy" who seek to implement their plan via the political arena. That is indeed a very big battle and requires that we truly know our enemy - which is not religion, in and of itself. To my way of thinking, far too much emphasis is being put upon the content, the intricacies, of religion and theology. All well and good - and fascinating for those with the time to indulge in philosophical debates. But, ultimately, it does not matter what sort of god one supports - the issue is political. No god, whether the theist god or the deist god, the triune god or the god of the gaps - whatever - should be allowed a role in the political environment. The 'war' is about keeping religion and the state separated. Engaging in some side skirmishes with the finer points of theology is to direct attention away from the main battle.

Yes, I agree, there needs to be some mobilizing in response to those who seek political power for theological ends. I just don't see that this mobilizing requires that one ridicule, criticize, knock down, someone's theology. If, as Dawkins maintains, theology is a non-subject - then why attempt any sort of intellectual debate with it? If one wants to debate theology then one needs to immerse oneself with the whole story, so to speak. If one does not want to engage with theology on a theological platform - then don't engage it at all. Simple refuse to take it seriously, as not worthy of any debate. One does not need a degree in theology to stand up and say to the fundamentalists - that's it, so far and no more, in regard to it's political aspirations. The whole issue with TGD is that the focus has turned on god instead of on creating, and maintaining, political structures able to uphold the separation of religion and the state.

"The role of a clear voice in raising the alarm and denouncing religion as RD and Sam Harris are doing can be debated but in my view it is proportional to the degree of complacency that exists to the real and present dangers".

For every fundamentalist that flies planes into skyscrapers there are millions of religious people who do no harm at all. Tarring everyone with the same brush is not a very scientific way to go about things. Isolate the problem, identify the cause - fundamentalism - and deal with that instead. Deal with the rogue elephant, and leave the rest of the herd to find it's way to a more healthy terrain. Allowing space for self-renewal instead of advocating self-denial. It is not religious refugees that we want to see but religious/spiritual renewal. Or as Kauffman says " let us recreate spiritual community and membership. Let us go forth. Civilization needs to be changed". Indeed, "Reinventing The Sacred" is where hope for the future lies.

"We, at least, should not fall into the trap of believing there is only one truth and one way." I'm sold on that - but I'm not so sure about Dawkins.

22. Comment #8953 by maryhelena on November 23, 2006 at 1:38 am

johnc

OK - I'll apply your scenario to the present situation. The 'real' issue, the 'common cause' is to prevent religious fundamentalists from hijacking or influencing political power. There can be no sell out here. There is no room here for denouncing moderates or complaining about alienating potential supporters. It truly is an either or situation. You are either with us or against us. No compromise is possible. Dawkins has it right here

The current situation is not like a political sideshow where politicians, or political ideologues, dance around various technical points of their particular political theory - and sing the 'I'm a true believer' hymn when any fellow traveller shows any tendency towards party heresy. While the moderates cheerfully sing the 'the brotherhood of man' pop song - to the irritation of their party hard-liners….This is standard political infighting - it is not a scenario that has, or should have, any bearing upon the current 'war' against religious fundamentalists and their political agenda.

Where the Dawkins' approach is wrong is that he has taken the 'either or' position of the core issue, the real issue, the common cause - and used this same approach as a methodology of 'war' against the side issues. In other words, what will work as a strategy in the real war against religious fundamentalists and their political agenda - will not work when used as a methodology of dealing with issue of a secondary nature i.e. will not work when dealing with theology or religion. As in political theory - so in theology - there is room for shades of colour - as in any, purely, intellectually based exercise. It is only when ideas are being transformed into concrete realities, concrete political frameworks - that the either or situation arises.

Dawkins needs to restrict the 'either or' of his battle plan to issues relating to the fundamentalists attempts at a political agenda. He needs to change his battle plan in regard to religion and theology. He needs to stop singing the 'I'm a true believer' hymn within a religion/theological context and get to learn to sing in tune with 'the brotherhood of man' song of popular culture. Indeed both songs have their place - but within their very specific contexts. They are only acceptable songs when sung in two separate situations - they are not interchangeable, they are not complimentary songs to sing at the same party.

Granted the 'I'm a true believer' hymn has very often been seen as part and parcel of religion and theology. But that fact does not make it a core aspect of either religion or theology. Both songs, the true believer hymn and the pop song of the brotherhood of man, have a long history alongside religion and theology. However, the modern world demonstrates that the true believer hymn has to go, has to be removed from it's association with religion and theology. Much work is being done in this regard. More and more religious people are realizing that their homegrown religion is only part of the greater whole. And, as Hans Kung wrote in his book, Global Responsibility, In Search of a New World Ethic, there will be "No world peace without peace between the religions". The 'I'm a true believer' premise - and all the nonsense that goes with it, has no place in the future of peaceful co-existence between religions.

Thus, Dawkins' attempt, in TGD to re-instate the 'I'm a true believe' mentality in dealing with religion and theology just won't achieve anything - apart from tarring him with the fundamentalist brush. Dogmatism, in dealing with religion and theology, is out of date - religion and theology, minus the fundamentalists, have moved on…

To summarize: Dawkins can sing the 'either or' hymn, the 'I'm a true believer' hymn, when waging 'war' against religious fundamentalists in the political arena. This hymn is necessary in order to uphold the separation of religion and state - the *real* issue we face.

Dawkins cannot sing the 'either or' hymn of true believers when involving himself with the side issues, with skirmishes with religion or theology. Apart from the fact that such an approach is like taking coals to Newcastle, it, in these days of modern technology/theology, is going to look rather old-fashioned, rather amateurish.

In dealing with the side issues that involve religion, in and of itself, Dawkins needs to learn to sing the song of pop culture, 'the brotherhood of man'. He needs to learn to sing in tune with the likes of Kauffman and other 'moderates' out there who are not blindsided by the fundamentalist agenda and understand the need for spiritual renewal instead of religious denial.

Dawkins needs to get to the position where he can concentrate on the real issue and say with regards to theology: "Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn".
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