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Friday, March 6, 2009 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document Oklahoma legislator proposes resolution to condemn Richard Dawkins

by Todd Thomsen

To help fight nonsense like this in the state of Oklahoma, visit and support The Oklahomans for Excellence in Science Education.

PZ's summary:

Richard Dawkins: banned in Oklahoma? by PZ Myers, Pharyngula
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/richard_dawkins_banned_in_okla.php

He's on his way to Oklahoma (no, that's not what rouses my envy), and an Oklahoma legislator has proposed a resolution to condemn him.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representative strongly opposes the invitation to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma to Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published statements on the theory of evolution and opinion about those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representatives encourages the University of Oklahoma to engage in an open, dignified, and fair discussion of the Darwinian theory of evolution and all other scientific theories which is the approach that a public institution should be engaged in and which represents the desire and interest of the citizens of Oklahoma.


Wow. This from the same crowd that gets all fluttery and happy at "academic freedom" bills — they want to kick Richard Dawkins out of the whole state. I thought I was the scary one when I was the guy getting kicked out of a mere movie theater.




The two bills:

STATE OF OKLAHOMA
1st Session of the 52nd Legislature (2009)
HOUSE
RESOLUTION 1014
By: Thomsen todd.thomsen@okhouse.gov

AS INTRODUCED

< StartFT >A Resolution expressing disapproval of the actions of the University of Oklahoma to indoctrinate students in the theory of evolution; opposing the invitation to Richard Dawkins to speak on campus; and directing distribution.< EndFT >

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma is a publicly funded institution which should be open to all ideas and should train students in all disciplines of study and research and to use independent thinking and free inquiry, not indoctrinate students in one-sided study and thinking; and

WHEREAS, the Department of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma has, as evidenced on the departmental homepage, been framing the Darwinian theory of evolution as doctrinal dogmatism rather than a hypothetical construction within the disciplines of the sciences; and

WHEREAS, not only has the Department of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma been engaged in one-sided indoctrination of an unproven and unpopular theory but has made an effort to brand all thinking in dissent of this theory as anti-intellectual and backward rather than nurturing such free thinking and allowing a free discussion of all ideas which is the primary purpose of a university; and

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma has planned a year-long celebration of the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin and the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s controversial theory of evolution, called the “Darwin 2009 Project”, which includes a series of lectures, public speakers, and a course on the history of evolution; and

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma, as a part of the Darwin 2009 Project, has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book “The God Delusion”, and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma; and

WHEREAS, the invitation for Richard Dawkins to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Friday, March 6, 2009, will only serve to further the indoctrination engaged in by the Department of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma by presenting a biased philosophy on the theory of evolution to the exclusion of all other divergent considerations rather than teaching a scientific concept.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representatives hereby expresses its disapproval of the current indoctrination of the Darwinian theory of evolution at the University of Oklahoma and further requests that an open, dignified, and fair discussion of this idea and all other ideas be engaged in on campus which is the approach that a public institution should be engaged in and which represents the desire and interest of the citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representative strongly opposes the invitation to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma to Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published statements on the theory of evolution and opinion about those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT a copy of this resolution be transmitted to the President of the University of Oklahoma, the Dean of the College of Arts and Science at the University of Oklahoma, and the Chair of the Department of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma.

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STATE OF OKLAHOMA
1st Session of the 52nd Legislature (2009)
HOUSE RESOLUTION 1015
By: Thomsen todd.thomsen@okhouse.gov

AS INTRODUCED

< StartFT >A Resolution opposing the invitation to Richard Dawkins to speak on campus; encouraging the University of Oklahoma to engage in a certain discussion of certain scientific theories; and directing distribution.< EndFT >

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma is a publicly funded institution which should be open to all ideas and should train students in all disciplines of study and research and to use independent thinking and free inquiry; and

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma has planned a year-long celebration of the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin and the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s theory of evolution, called the “Darwin 2009 Project”, which includes a series of lectures, public speakers, and a course on the history of evolution; and

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma, as a part of the Darwin 2009 Project, has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book “The God Delusion”, and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma; and

WHEREAS, the invitation for Richard Dawkins to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Friday, March 6, 2009, will only serve to present a biased philosophy on the theory of evolution to the exclusion of all other divergent considerations rather than teaching a scientific concept.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representative strongly opposes the invitation to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma to Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published statements on the theory of evolution and opinion about those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representatives encourages the University of Oklahoma to engage in an open, dignified, and fair discussion of the Darwinian theory of evolution and all other scientific theories which is the approach that a public institution should be engaged in and which represents the desire and interest of the citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT a copy of this resolution be transmitted to the President of the University of Oklahoma, the Dean of the College of Arts and Science at the University of Oklahoma, and the Chair of the Department of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma.

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Richard Dawkins at University of Oklahoma
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Update from the road: Richard Dawkins holds a round-table discussion with zoology graduate students at the University of Oklahoma

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1. Comment #349486 by Mark Jones on March 6, 2009 at 5:51 am

 avatarNeed to get someone of a legal bent to comment on this! Is this constitutional?

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2. Comment #349487 by eclampusvitus on March 6, 2009 at 5:52 am

Whereas the fine state of Oklahoma is infested with certain Okie fucktards,

BE IT RESOLVED that they pull their heads out of their Stone Age asses and get on with the legitimate business of the state.

ECV

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3. Comment #349489 by Am I Evil? on March 6, 2009 at 5:53 am

 avatarI'm going to America in September, will do my best to avoid this black hole of ignorance and stupidity!

I'm sure there are good apples there too but from what I see, it's a total science Hindenburg over there.

And isn't there a glaring contradiction in there somewhere? "...open to all ideas" versus "...offensive to the views of most..."? Ugh!

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4. Comment #349497 by rod-the-farmer on March 6, 2009 at 6:05 am

 avatar

....encourages the University of Oklahoma to engage in an open, dignified, and fair discussion of the Darwinian theory of evolution and all other scientific theories....

Well, that lets out creationism, as it is not scientific. Note too that there is no further discussion suggested on the alternatives to the theory of gravity.

How embarrassing for the inhabitants of OK. Can we hear from any residents what they plan to do ?

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5. Comment #349498 by Peacebeuponme on March 6, 2009 at 6:05 am

Surely, surely, the Oklahoma House of Representatives has better things to be doing with its time.

I'm sure Oklahoma has borne its fair share of the brunt of the global recession we are in. Does their government not think such frivolity is better contemplated at other times?

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6. Comment #349499 by VolcanicComet on March 6, 2009 at 6:05 am

 avatarThis guy needs to tune into Sanity FM.......

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7. Comment #349501 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2009 at 6:06 am

 avatarFreedom of speech and expression of opinion are obviously a couple of concepts the proponent of this piece of legislation is totally unaware of. Or had Okie ceded from the Union in the last few days and the press missed it? jcw

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8. Comment #349502 by PrimeNumbers on March 6, 2009 at 6:06 am

 avatarAwesome publicity for RD though.... Still, makes Oklahoma look stupid, out of touch, out of date and protecting a deep dark underbelly they're trying to hide...

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9. Comment #349503 by BCReason on March 6, 2009 at 6:08 am

I'll be more upset if this nonsense passes. As far as I can tell from the article this is just one idiots idea.

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10. Comment #349504 by Tyler Durden on March 6, 2009 at 6:09 am

 avatarComment #349497 by rod-the-farmer
How embarrassing for the inhabitants of OK. Can we hear from any residents what they plan to do ?
Move?

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11. Comment #349506 by rainKing99 on March 6, 2009 at 6:11 am

That does it, I'm boycotting the musical!

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12. Comment #349508 by Layla Nasreddin on March 6, 2009 at 6:12 am

 avatarI move that people tell State Representative Todd Thomsen what they think of this absolutely ridiculous and fatuous Proposed House Resolution 1015 (if they wish): todd.thomsen@okhouse.gov

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13. Comment #349509 by Dhamma on March 6, 2009 at 6:14 am

 avatarIsn't this just awesome?

As it's the 6th today I will, sadly, have to suppose they failed. Nonetheless, it should make him something of a martyr, which is a great success in itself.

Being banned from a state is pretty damn cool, though. And for what? Being open minded!

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14. Comment #349511 by paulifa1 on March 6, 2009 at 6:20 am

Wow, just wow! Never mind discussing things like fixing bridges, potholed roads, or effective policing, you know, the type of things you expect government to do, no lets ban someone who has a difference of opinion (not to mention, the opinion any normal, not mentally deranged person would hold!)... just beyond beleif, what year is it over there, 1825 or something??

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15. Comment #349512 by DoctorE on March 6, 2009 at 6:20 am

 avatarTurkey, Oklahoma...

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16. Comment #349513 by sbooder on March 6, 2009 at 6:23 am

 avatarHere we go, a list of emails for House Members of The Oklahoma House of Representatives








Armes, Don
donarmes@okhouse.gov

Auffet, John
johnauffet@okhouse.gov

Bailey, Dennis Ray
dennis.bailey@okhouse.gov

Banz, Gary W.
garybanz@okhouse.gov

Benge, Chris
chrisbenge@okhouse.gov

Billy, Lisa J.
lisajbilly@okhouse.gov

Blackwell, Gus
gusblackwell@okhouse.gov

Brannon, Neil
neilbrannon@okhouse.gov

Brown, Mike
mikebrown@okhouse.gov

Buck, Samson Ray
sam.buck@okhouse.gov

Cannaday, Ed
ed.cannaday@okhouse.gov

Carey, John
johncarey@okhouse.gov

Christian, Mike
mike.christian@okhouse.gov

Collins, Wallace
wallace.collins@okhouse.gov

Coody, Ann
anncoody@okhouse.gov

Cooksey, Marian
mariancooksey@okhouse.gov

Cox, Doug
dougcox@okhouse.gov

Dank, David
david.dank@okhouse.gov

Denney, Lee
leedenney@okhouse.gov

Derby, David
david.derby@okhouse.gov

DeWitt, Dale
daledewitt@okhouse.gov

Dorman, Joe
joedorman@okhouse.gov

Duncan, Rex
rexduncan@okhouse.gov

Enns, John
john.enns@okhouse.gov

Faught, George
george.faught@okhouse.gov

Fields, Eddie
eddie.fields@okhouse.gov

Glenn, Larry
larryglenn@okhouse.gov

Hamilton, Rebecca
rebeccahamilton@okhouse.gov

Harrison, Terry
terryharrison@okhouse.gov

Hickman, Jeffrey W.
jwhickman@okhouse.gov

Hilliard, Wes
weshilliard@okhouse.gov

Holland, Corey
corey.holland@okhouse.gov

get typing.

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17. Comment #349514 by jshuey on March 6, 2009 at 6:25 am

 avatarSo in Oklahoma the validity of any science is to be determined by majority vote. Damn...sort of reminds me of when the Indiana legislature voted to make pi equal to 3.2!

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18. Comment #349515 by MelM on March 6, 2009 at 6:27 am

Very serious stuff. This is an attempt to push creationism into the state owned secular universities.

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19. Comment #349516 by dhudson0001 on March 6, 2009 at 6:35 am

 avatarOoo-klahoma, where the legislature is insane...

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20. Comment #349517 by ColdFusionLazarus on March 6, 2009 at 6:35 am

 avatarI think the best way to handle this is to demand that the rights of free speech and decency be upheld. They should be able to petition students, staff and representatives of Oklahoma University. If 500 people sign the petition to say that they would find Richard's attendance to be offensive or that his attendance would purely anger the regular attendees of the university, then that should be sufficient to allow the administration to reverse their invitation for Richard to speak. Of course, to ensure free speech is still upheld, Richard should still be able to send in a recording of his speech and this should be made accessible to all through the services of the university's library. Richard should be welcome to send as many recordings and books as he wishes.

I'm sure the university already has a lively and entertaining history of debate, with many fine academics making useful contributions to discussions on evolution and science in general. There is no need to inflame such discussions by introducing new elements that are clearly more assertive in their atheism and views on science than the regular academics we have already grown to love. By keeping sticking with the normal discussions we will not be turning off new students from attending the usual interesting debates. No major platform on this occasion seems quite a sensible move.

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21. Comment #349518 by zecat on March 6, 2009 at 6:36 am

 avatarHAHAHAAAA!!!... This is just too funny!..

Wait, are they serious?! Hmmm, actually that's quite pathetic. Hopefully something good will eventually come out of this event. Let's keep the faith!.. I mean, faith in Richard of course!

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22. Comment #349520 by rod-the-farmer on March 6, 2009 at 6:37 am

 avatarMore interesting stuff regarding freedom of speech in Oklahoma... These were all taken from OK newspaper web sites.

In an unanimous opinion in December, the federal Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals declared unconstitutional an Oklahoma law banning non-residents from helping collect signatures for ballot initiative petitions.


President Barack Obama recently declared his intention to mitigate global warming by enacting a cap-and-trade policy that would reduce carbon emissions 80 percent by the year 2050. But the last two years of global cooling have nearly erased 30 years of temperature increases. To the extent that global warming ever existed, it is now officially over.


Oklahoma bill to promote intelligent design talk fails

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-bill-to-promote-intelligent-design-talk-fails/article/3346291


Group files suit over 'I Believe' plates in SC

http://newsok.com/group-files-suit-over-i-believe-plates-in-sc/article/3234316


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23. Comment #349521 by andersemil on March 6, 2009 at 6:38 am

 avatarTerrible news, but about as unpredictable as spring after winter. This is the core of the bible belt we're talking about. RD can't be surprised either. And definitely just a big score for him. Evidently, these guys have NO idea how stupid they look. But then, when you live on the top floor of a house of cards like religious people do, you're bound to take desperate measures when someone coughs!

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24. Comment #349522 by beeline on March 6, 2009 at 6:38 am

 avatarSo, just to be clear on this, they want to encourage open, dignified discussion about scientific theories, but they also want to see Richard Dawkins censored for, um, making open, dignified discussion of scientific theories.

Seems perfectly logical to me.

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25. Comment #349523 by karlsavage on March 6, 2009 at 6:42 am

I normally resolve to write well thought out and reasoned arguments against these type of actions but something so ludicrous that even goes beyond preventing free speech means all I can think to say about him is "what an idiot".

I hope no time at all is given to this and the bill is treated with the equal contempt he affording Professor Dawkins.

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26. Comment #349524 by FatherNature on March 6, 2009 at 6:42 am

 avatarFor those of you outside the USA, this type of meaningless resolution is a common time-waster in our state governments. Their workload is so light (everything is running so smoothly, after all) that just about every day some dipstick legislator proposes a resolution in honor of "The History of Cheese" or something. It has zero legal impact. All they are doing is saying "we disapprove" and sticking out their tongues. It does not ban Richard from the state or from speaking.

On the other hand, the veiled threat to the state Unversity by the government is more serious. The budget of the biology department or the whole U of O may receive closer scrutiny next year.

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27. Comment #349525 by MelM on March 6, 2009 at 6:44 am

3000!!!
Barry Weaver, the geology professor in charge of Dawkins' visit, told The Daily that demand for tickets to the March 6 lecture prompted the move to the field house, which can seat more than 3,000 people.

http://oudaily.com/news/2009/jan/30/weaver-dawkins-lecture-be-field-house/

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28. Comment #349527 by rokeisland on March 6, 2009 at 6:45 am

Wow. If i was the university President, I'd crumple up the letter and wipe my butt with it.

On the other hand, I'm in agreement with the veiled threat pointed out by FatherNature. So the president will have to be politically correct when telling the legislature to fuck off.

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29. Comment #349528 by severalspeciesof on March 6, 2009 at 6:47 am

 avatarHere's the e-mail address for the IDiot that proposed this resolution nonsense:

todd.thomsen@okhouse.gov

Do with this info as you wish, though keep in mind FatherNature's comment #349524...

And I had to come back for this... *shakes head*

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30. Comment #349529 by Colwyn Abernathy on March 6, 2009 at 6:48 am

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whose published statements on the theory of evolution and opinion about those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.


Yeah, in a free nation where being offended is a daily occurance. SRSLY, in the marketplace of ideas, SOMETHING is gonna offend you. Dunno what else to add but GROW THE FUCK UP. I guess it could be seen as a positive, as legislators are scrambling to maintain any panderings they can. Such is the fate of popular delusions. The more scrutiny they fall under, the weaker and more desperate the "defense" of said delusions become. No to mention more emotional.

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31. Comment #349530 by aquilacane on March 6, 2009 at 6:50 am

 avatarindoctrinate students with the hypothesis of evolution... -5 points for shitty education.

"the University of Oklahoma is a publicly funded institution which should be open to all ideas"... yes, except, apparently, those of evolution and specifically Dawkins. Self contained proof of biased hypocrisy.

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32. Comment #349531 by Stafford Gordon on March 6, 2009 at 6:52 am

I wonder why they're so touchy.

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33. Comment #349532 by NHBill on March 6, 2009 at 6:54 am

You gotta give Dawkins a lot of credit. This trip to the USA goes right through the heart of Red State America. Be advised however it is getting zero national media play. This Oklahoma resolution is just the sort of thing the media could use to focus on Dawkins' message however.

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34. Comment #349533 by Colwyn Abernathy on March 6, 2009 at 6:56 am

 avatarAm I Evil?

Come to Philly, we invented the cheesesteak, and Centre City is really a sight. The Ben Franklin building is still one of my favourites. Right across from Love Park. Stay the weekend. ;)

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35. Comment #349534 by VanYoungman on March 6, 2009 at 6:57 am

 avatarAmen,

Colwyn

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36. Comment #349535 by Tezcatlipoca on March 6, 2009 at 7:05 am

 avatarComment #349533 by Colwyn Abernathy

Come to Philly, we invented the cheesesteak


Pat's King of Steaks or Geno's?

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37. Comment #349536 by EvilConservative on March 6, 2009 at 7:06 am

I live in Oklahoma.

This Thomsen guy is your standard raised with religion his whole life conservative. This doesn't surprise me.

Oklahoma always has some sort of stupid legislation going on. This is a state that legalized chicken fighting by making chickens not technically an "animal". This state recently legalized tattoo's within the last year and your not allowed to refrigerate alcohol in liquor stores.

What I don't get is why he's submitting this one page piece of stupid legislation when there are more important issues to deal with in the state of Oklahoma. But that's just it, it's a simple have my secretary type it up document. Just because he's submitted it, doesn't mean its going to pass. And what if it did? OU doesn't have to do what these representatives want based on a vote.

I'm seeing headlines that, "Oklahoma hates Richard Dawkins." I doubt that's the case. One Republican House member doesn't speak for all of Oklahoma.

The other thing that makes me sick is the failed logic proposed in the bill. He basically doesn't want Richard Dawkins to speak because he will give a one sided/unbalanced view. Every Republican/Fox News watcher should know that you don't get balance by dragging two views from one person. You get balance by bringing two people on with seperate views. If OU wants to have a balanced Darwin Week, then they should bring in Richard Dawkins one night, and another opposing point speaker another night. So Thomsen isn't even playing by standard conservative balanced view submission doctrine.

I'm disgusted by this guy and it gives me another good reason to show up tonight.

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38. Comment #349538 by Quetzalcoatl on March 6, 2009 at 7:09 am

 avatarEvilConservative-

Oklahoma always has some sort of stupid legislation going on. This is a state that legalized chicken fighting by making chickens not technically an "animal".


What was it reclassified as? Vegetable or mineral?

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39. Comment #349540 by Red Foot Okie on March 6, 2009 at 7:16 am

 avatarAh, my dull backward legistlature... no publicity is bad plublicity, I guess.

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40. Comment #349542 by ntw526 on March 6, 2009 at 7:20 am

 avatarThis scares the hell out of me...

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41. Comment #349543 by Memoria on March 6, 2009 at 7:21 am

 avatarDoes a Resolution of disapproval by the House of Representatives mean they are expressing the disapproval of the people of Oklahoma? Or merely the disapproval of the House of Representatives?

Obviously it's a fatuous proclamation, whatever it mean, but what does it mean?

Strikes me as useful document for a historian.

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42. Comment #349544 by Sciros on March 6, 2009 at 7:21 am

 avatarQuetz, I think it's "under native american law" that a chicken is not an animal, so that cockfighting is allowed on native american soil. But hey what do you expect from people who failed to invent the wheel, as if they could figure out that a chicken isn't just a large fungus.

Oh, and Memoria, all that resolution really means is that the douchebag who proposed it hates public universities.

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43. Comment #349546 by Carole on March 6, 2009 at 7:23 am

contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.

How do they know this? Have they actually asked everyone?
I'm thinking what it actually should say is that Richard's published statements and opinions are "contrary to the views of one guy called Todd Thomsen, who is clearly incapable of understanding science at even a basic level".

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44. Comment #349547 by Szkeptik on March 6, 2009 at 7:27 am

Well well. Turns out Oklahoma legislation is on the same intellectual level as the Turkish one.

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45. Comment #349548 by Neuro on March 6, 2009 at 7:28 am

 avatarHA-HA

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46. Comment #349549 by Quetzalcoatl on March 6, 2009 at 7:30 am

 avatarSciros-

"Under native american law" indeed. Daft.

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47. Comment #349551 by Verylee on March 6, 2009 at 7:31 am

 avatarReligion...Always something to be offended by. They are never happiest unless they're being persecuted.
The end is nigh!

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48. Comment #349552 by Tape432 on March 6, 2009 at 7:32 am

 avatarThis is just BIZARRE!
It's like twilight zone or something..

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49. Comment #349553 by Naturalist1 on March 6, 2009 at 7:32 am

 avatarBoth of these resolutions make repeated statments like:
are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma

and:
those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma

These statments may (unfortunately) be true as Oklahoma may be one of those states Richard often mentions where 60% of the people are creationists...ignorant ones at that.

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50. Comment #349554 by locri on March 6, 2009 at 7:35 am

 avatarHas anyone else watched "Indoctrinate U"? It has somewhat of a republican slant, but it makes a lot of good points on how Universities are no longer the bastion of intellectual exploration and openness anymore. Some of the things they talk about are jaw-droppingly depressing.

Anyways, things like this remind me of some of the stuff they discuss in the documentary.

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