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Saturday, November 25, 2006 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document The New Atheism

by R. Albert Mohler, Jr./Christian Post

Thanks to Sarah Walker for sending this in

Reposted from:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20061125/23675.htm

2006 has been a big year for atheism. The release of several major books – all widely touted in the media – has put atheism on the front lines of current cultural conversation. Books such as Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion, Daniel Dennett's Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, and Sam Harris' Letter to a Christian Nation are selling by the thousands and prompting hours of conversation on college campuses and in the media.

Now, WIRED magazine comes out with a cover story on atheism for its November 2006 issue. In "The New Atheism," WIRED contributing editor Gary Wolf explains that this newly assertive form of atheism declares a very simple message: "No heaven. No hell. Just science."

WIRED is itself a cultural symbol for the growing centrality of technology in our lives. On the other hand, the magazine is not simply a celebration of emerging technologies nor a catalogue of soon-to-be-released marvels. Instead, the magazine consistently offers significant intellectual content and it takes on many of the most controversial issues of the times. Considering the relatively young readership of the magazine, the decision to put atheism on the front cover indicates something of where they think the society is headed – at least in interest.

Wolf accomplishes a great deal in his article, thoughtfully introducing the work of militant atheists such as Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett. At the same time, he probes more deeply into the actual meaning of the New Atheism as a movement and a message.

At the beginning of his article, he gets right to the point: "The New Atheists will not let us off the hook simply because we are not doctrinaire believers. They condemn not just belief in God but respect for belief in God. Religion is not only wrong; it's evil. Now that the battle has been joined, there's no excuse for shirking."

In order to understand the New Atheism, Wolf traveled to visit with Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett. His interviews with the three are illuminating and analytical.

He met Dawkins in Oxford, which Wolf describes as the "Jerusalem" of human reason. Accordingly, he labels Dawkins "the leading light of the New Atheism movement."

In one sense, this is hardly news. Richards Dawkins, Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, has been the most ardent and well-publicized intellectual opponent of Christianity for decades now. He was first famous for the evolutionary argument he presented in his best-selling book, The Selfish Gene, now decades old. In his more recent work, Dawkins appears to have left his scientific career something in the background as he attempts to write as something of a philosopher and (a)theologian.

Dawkins' new book, The God Delusion, reached the best-seller list in recent weeks, and he has made media appearances on everything from the mainstream media to Comedy Central. Unlike many journalists, Wolf understands what makes Dawkins unique. It is not so much that Dawkins is attempting to convince believers that they should no longer believe in God. To the contrary, Dawkins is attempting a very different cultural and political move. He wants to make respect for belief in God socially unacceptable.

"Dawkins is perfectly aware that atheism is an ancient doctrine and that little of what he has to say is likely to change the terms of this stereotyped debate," Wolf writes. "But he continues to go at it. His true interlocutors are not the Christians he confronts directly but the wavering nonbelievers or quasi believers among his listeners – people like me, potential New Atheists who might be inspired by his example."

As Dawkins explains himself, "I'm quite keen on the politics of persuading people of the virtues of atheism." The Oxford professor also understands that atheism is a political issue as well as a theological question. "The number of nonreligious people in the US is something nearer to 30 million than 20 million. That's more than all the Jews in the world put together. I think we're in the same position the gay movement was in a few decades ago. There was a need for people to come out. The more people who came out, the more people who had the courage to come out. I think that's the case with atheists. They're more numerous than anybody realizes."

For a man who is supposedly an exemplar of the humble discipline of science, Dawkins is capable of breathtaking condescension. Consider these words: "Highly intelligent people are mostly atheists . . . . Not a single member of either house of Congress admits to being an atheist. It just doesn't add up. Either they're stupid, or they're lying. And have they got a motive for lying? Of course they've got a motive! Everyone knows that an atheist can't get elected."

Note his argument carefully – highly intelligent people are most likely to be atheists.

The political dimensions of Dawkins' thought become immediately apparent when he speaks of how children should be protected from parents who believe in God. "How much do we regard children as being the property of their parents?," Dawkins asks. "It's one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society to be stepping in? What about bringing up children to believe manifest falsehoods?"

Wolf has successfully captured the essence of what animates Richard Dawkins. He is an evangelist for atheism.

"Evangelism is a moral imperative," Wolf explains. "Dawkins does not merely disagree with religious myths. He disagrees with tolerating them, with cooperating in their colonization of the brains of innocent tykes." As Dawkins sees it, belief in God is a dangerous "meme." Dawkins is famous for arguing that memes serve as a major driving force in evolution. Memes, cultural replicators like ideas, can spread like a virus through society. Wolf understands that Dawkins claims to believe in democracy and freedom and thus accepts "that there are practical constraints on controlling the spread of bad memes." Nevertheless, "Bad ideas foisted on children are moral wrongs. We should think harder about how to stop them."

In a very real sense, Richard Dawkins grabs the headlines precisely because he is willing to say what many other atheists think. Indeed, he is willing to say what other atheists must think, but are unwilling to say for one political reason or another. Dawkins is spectacularly unconcerned about public relations.

On the link between evolution and atheism, for example, Dawkins is unrepentant and direct – evolutionary theory must logically lead to atheism. While other evolutionists argue before courts and in the media that this is not so, Dawkins states that he cannot worry about the public relations consequences.

As he told Wolf: "My answer is that the big war is not between evolution and creationism, but between naturalism and supernaturalism. The 'sensible' religious people are really on the side of the fundamentalists, because they believe in supernaturalism. That puts me on the other side." As Wolf explains, Dawkins himself insisted that the word "sensible" should be in quotes. In other words, Dawkins seems to have less respect for theological liberalism than for those who are theologically orthodox. At least the true believers know what they truly believe.

This attack on religious moderates is what made The End of Faith, Sam Harris' 2004 book, so interesting. Harris, whose second book, Letter to a Christian Nation, was released just weeks ago, argues that religious moderates and theological liberals function as something like "enablers" of orthodoxy and fundamentalism. As Wolf keenly observes, the New Atheists oppose agnostics and liberal believers as those who help orthodox believers build and retain a cultural powerbase. Agnostics and theological liberals may be fellow travelers with the atheists, these figures admit, but they actually serve to confuse rather than to clarify the issues at stake. On this, the New Atheists and orthodox believers are in agreement.

Sam Harris is even more apocalyptic than Richard Dawkins or Daniel Dennett. He argues that, unless belief in God is eradicated, civilization is likely to end in a murderous sea of religious warfare. As an alternative, Harris proposes a "religion of reason." As he explains, "We would have realized the rational means to maximize human happiness. We may all agree that we want to have a Sabbath that we take really seriously – a lot more seriously than most religious people take it. But it would be a rational decision, and it would not be just because it's in the Bible. We would be able to invoke the power of poetry and ritual and silent contemplation and all the variables of happiness so that we could exploit them. Call it prayer, but we would have prayer without [expletive deleted]."

Wolf helpfully offers his version of such a prayer: "that our reason will subjugate our superstition, that our intelligence will check our illusions, that we will be able to hold at bay the evil temptation of faith."

Harris' self-proclaimed religion of reason bears uncanny resemblances to the features of New Age thought – something that offends many of his fellow New Atheists. Still, Harris' books have sold by the thousands and he has transformed himself into a poster child for militant atheism. Like Dawkins, Harris sees time on his side. "At some point, there's going to be enough pressure that it is just going to be too embarrassing to believe in God."

The third major figure in Wolf's article, Daniel Dennett, teaches at Tufts University. As Wolf explains, "Among the New Atheists, Dennett holds an exalted but ambiguous place. Like Dawkins and Harris, he is an evangelizing nonbeliever." Wolf describes Dennett as offering more humorous examples and thought experiments than Dawkins and Harris. "But like the other New Atheists, Dennett gives no quarter to believers who resist subjecting their faith to scientific evaluation. In fact, he argues that neutral, scientifically informed education about every religion in the world should be mandatory in school. After all, he argues, 'if you have to hoodwink – or blindfold – your children to ensure that they confirm their faith when they are adults, your faith ought to go extinct.'" Like Harris, Dennett believes that something like a religion of reason might be possible. But, in some contrast to Dawkins and Harris, Dennett does not see faith as something that can be intellectualized away. To the contrary, he sees belief in God to have served an evolutionary purpose. Even as he now believes that evolutionary purpose is no longer helpful, he argues that such an evolutionary feature is not likely to be eradicated quickly. Therefore, Dennett suggests replacing belief in God with something of a secular substitute.

In his wide-ranging article, Wolf considers the emergence of the New Atheism from multiple perspectives. He deals not only with Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett, but with a host of others, including some who believe in God. He understands that the New Atheists stand in contrast with the older atheism more in terms of mood and mode of public engagement. He also understands that those who attempt to rebut the New Atheism on scientific grounds can find themselves facing considerable complexity. As Wolf explains, when defenders of faith accept science as the arbiter of reality, atheists are left "with the upper hand."

Throughout the article, Wolf also admits his own doubts. He seems to identify himself more with agnosticism than atheism, and he reveals some discomfort with the stridency of the New Atheism.

In his words: "The New Atheists have castigated fundamentalism and branded even the mildest religious liberals as enablers of a vengeful mob. Everybody who does not join them is an ally of the Taliban. But, so far, their provocation has failed to take hold. Given all the religious trauma in the world, I take this as good news. Even those of us who sympathize intellectually have good reasons to wish that the New Atheists continue to seem absurd. If we reject their polemics, if we continue to have respectful conversations even about things we find ridiculous, this doesn't necessarily mean we've lost our convictions or our sanity. It simply reflects our deepest, democratic values. Or, you might say, our bedrock faith: the faith that no matter how confident we are in our beliefs, there's always a chance that we could turn out to be wrong."

The very fact that Wolf remains unconvinced by the arguments promoted by the New Atheists is itself significant. What Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett – along with the other New Atheists – really demand is that society must place itself in the hands of a new and militant atheistic priesthood. Science as defined by these new priests, would serve as the new sacrament and as the means of salvation.

What this article reveals is that those arguing that human beings need to be saved from belief in God are facing a tough sell – even in WIRED magazine.

This article was originally published on Tuesday, November 21, 2006.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr. is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. For more articles and resources by Dr. Mohler, and for information on The Albert Mohler Program, a daily national radio program broadcast on the Salem Radio Network, go to www.albertmohler.com. For information on The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, go to www.sbts.edu. Send feedback to mail@albertmohler.com. Original Source: www.albertmohler.com.

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1. Comment #9736 by Jason on November 25, 2006 at 7:24 pm

He also finds Dawkins so condescending for his Congress argument, but surely it is self-evident that if there are 30 million atheists and agnostics, and that there are more higher up the intelligence and education ladder (both fairly clear facts), then there must be some atheists in the Congressional closets.

And again with the "fundamentalist" atheist priesthood. Atheism is only defined by what it is not - supernatural. Whatever else an atheist is is totally up to him or her. And it certainly doesn't involve any sort of priesthood or dogma.

2. Comment #9743 by Jared on November 25, 2006 at 8:22 pm

Wait...we DON'T want atheist priests? Hmm. Could have fooled me ;)

In all seriousness, this is just another example of the inability the faithful have to deal with any idea that DOESN'T promote indoctrination. I'm fairly certain that most of these "New Atheists" don't propose, say, knocking down churches or forceably removing believers. Some of them even promote -gasp!- the TEACHING of religion at an early age. But not just ONE religion. ALL of them, under the aegis of the statement: "This is what some people believe."

I'm sure that none of these so-called "militant" atheists would promote the need to convert anyone who, after such an education, came to the conclusion that they liked the Christian viewpoint and decided to follow it.

What the "New Atheists" would support is CRITICIZING that choice and questioning the logic of that decision. It's not as if, assuming that believer couldn't make a good logical argument for their position, the "New Atheists" would revoke the new believer's right to choose! They only ask for the right to DEBATE and DISCUSS religion. Do they think that getting this right may, eventually, bring about an "End of Faith?" Yes, but they also would likely open that "belief" up to debate as well!

The fact that the Christian publications and the mainstream media are reporting on this "movement" with greater frequency and in such length is a clear-cut sign that they are threatened by it. And that, to me, is a very good thing. They should be!

The funniest part of this article is that, aside from the last bit and a few other exceptions, it almost seems to AGREE with "New Atheism!" Were I a casual believer happening to read this piece, I just might be inclined to say "Hmm, this doesn't sound half bad!" Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, eh?

3. Comment #9781 by denoir on November 26, 2006 at 1:10 am

What they call "New Atheism" is in fact anti-theism. Atheism is not an active belief position. Anti-theism on the other hand is the belief that religion is harmful.

The difference lies in the burden of proof. In theism vs. atheism the burden of proof lies with the theists as they are the ones that have a theory of the world. In the case of anti-theism the anti-theists have to prove their theory that religion is harmful and that is basically what Dawkins, Harris, Dennet and many others are doing.

While the distinction may not be obvious in America as atheists are in such a minority, the distinction is very clear in countries where atheists are a majority (as they are in a number of European countries). The average, say Swedish atheist will argue against religion as much as he will argue against the existence of Santa Claus. In a predominantly atheistic society, it is a non-issue. Anti-theists in such countries are a small minority that look to the global problem of religion in the world. Most regular atheist however don't care and have never ever thought about it.

This situation support Dawkins' argument that the indoctrination of children is the main problem. As we can see in Europe, if you don't have a religious upbringing, chances are very good you won't be religious as an adult.

4. Comment #10199 by DingoDave on November 27, 2006 at 12:24 pm

From the very earliest times, skeptics have made the observation that Christianity appeals more to simple and uneducated folk than to the thoughtful and educated. The early church theologian Origen even wrote an entire treatise refuting the writings of a pagan skeptic named Celsus.
Celsus was a Greek writer in the second century who criticized Christianity as a threat to the stable communities and worldview that the "pagan" religious and social system sought to uphold. His work as a whole has been lost, but when the third century theologian Origen sought to answer Celsus' charges in a work appropriately called Against Celsus, he preserved most of Celsus' criticisms. Origen's replies are certainly worth reading in their own right, but the following excerpts are chosen in order to show how a thoughtful "pagan" viewed Christianity.

"The following are the rules laid down by them. Let no one come to us who has been instructed, or who is wise or prudent (for such qualifications are deemed evil by us); but if there be any ignorant, or unintelligent, or uninstructed, or foolish persons, let them come with confidence. By which words, acknowledging that such individuals are worthy of their God, they manifestly show that they desire and are able to gain over only the silly, and the mean, and the stupid, with women and children."... "For why is it an evil to have been educated, and to have studied the best opinions, and to have both the reality and appearance of wisdom? What hindrance does this offer to the knowledge of God? Why should it not rather be an assistance, and a means by which one might be better able to arrive at the truth?"...

"We see, indeed, in private houses workers in wool and leather, and fullers, and persons of the most uninstructed and rustic character, not venturing to utter a word in the presence of their elders and wiser masters; but when they get hold of the children privately, and certain women as ignorant as themselves, they pour forth wonderful statements, to the effect that they ought not to give heed to their father and to their teachers, but should obey them; that the former are foolish and stupid, and neither know nor can perform anything that is really good, being preoccupied with empty trifles; that they alone know how men ought to live, and that, if the children obey them, they will both be happy themselves, and will make their home happy also. And while thus speaking, if they see one of the instructors of youth approaching, or one of the more intelligent class, or even the father himself, the more timid among them become afraid, while the more forward incite the children to throw off the yoke, whispering that in the presence of father and teachers they neither will nor can explain to them any good thing, seeing they turn away with aversion from the silliness and stupidity of such persons as being altogether corrupt, and far advanced in wickedness, and such as would inflict punishment upon them; but that if they wish (to avail themselves of their aid,) they must leave their father and their instructors, and go with the women and their playfellows to the women's apartments, or to the leather shop, or to the fuller's shop, that they may attain to perfection;--and by words like these they gain them over."

"Only foolish and low individuals, and persons devoid of perception, and slaves, and women, and children, of whom the teachers of the divine word wish to make converts."...

"One ought first to follow reason as a guide before accepting any doctrine, since anyone who believes without testing a doctrine is certain to be deceived.... Just as the charlatans of the cults take advantage of the simpleton's lack of education to lead him around by the nose, so too with the Christian teachers: they do not want to give or receive reasons for what they believe. Their favourite expressions are 'Do not ask questions, just believe!' and: 'Your faith will save you! 'The wisdom of the world,' they say, 'is evil; to be simple is to be good.' If only they would undertake to answer my question -- which I do not ask as one who is trying to understand their beliefs (there being little to understand). But they refuse to answer, and indeed discourage asking questions of any sort."

Even the Bible says that Christianity is a religion of children and fools. It would appear that on this point Celsus was correct.

5. Comment #10202 by Zod on November 27, 2006 at 1:04 pm

That was brilliant, DingoDave. Give a lengthy quote from a pagan source denouncing Christianity but fail to provide a single reference for you alleged Biblical teaching "christianity is a religion of children and fools". If i didn't know better I'd think you were so biased that your incapable of a reasoned point.

"It would appear that on this point Celsus was correct". Well of course. Who could possibly believe that Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Newton, Pascal, Baumgardner, McGrath etc ad infinitum were/are anything less than "fools". Only a delusional atheist perhaps???

Kind Regards

6. Comment #10210 by Zod on November 27, 2006 at 1:20 pm

comments 13, 14 "You must address every christian apologist throughout history before your argument is worthy".

"Hehheh Zod ...."

I think your missing the point by a lightyear or 10. DingoDave expressed his approval of the view that Christianity is a religion of fools and children.
That is a general unqualified assertion that is refuted by the authorities I mentioned. I don't dispute that there are many atheists who are intelligent that would be as stupid as DingoDaves statement. I simply asserted that his expressed opinion was indefensible. Which it is.

Kind Regards

7. Comment #10215 by DingoDave on November 27, 2006 at 1:32 pm

Dear Zod,
You complained that I didn't give you any references for my assertion that the Bible says Christianity is a religion of children and fools. Here are some.

First some verses about children.

Mathew 18: [3] and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Mathew 19: [14] but Jesus said, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."

Mark 10: [14] But when Jesus saw it he was indignant, and said to them, "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.

Luke 18: [16] But Jesus called them to him, saying, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.

John 1: [12] But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;

John 13: [33] Little children, yet a little while I am with you. You will seek me; and as I said to the Jews so now I say to you, `Where I am going you cannot come.'

1 Corinthians: [14] I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children.

2 Corinthians : [13] In return -- I speak as to children -- widen your hearts also.

Galatians 4: [19] My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!

Ephesians 5: [1] Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

Philipians 2: [15] that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,

Thesalonians 2: [11] for you know how, like a father with his children, we exhorted each one of you and encouraged you and charged you

Now some verses about fools.

1 Corinthians 3: [18] Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

1 Corinthians 4: [10] We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are held in honor, but we in disrepute.

2 Corinyhians 11: [21] To my shame, I must say, we were too weak for that! But whatever any one dares to boast of -- I am speaking as a fool -- I also dare to boast of that.

I Corinthians 1:[19] For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart."


There are more along the same lines, but will these suffice?

8. Comment #10229 by Zod on November 27, 2006 at 2:06 pm

Thanks for that, DingoDave I suspected that you had I Corinthians in mind when you wrote the above. Surely you must recognise though that Paul is not advocating a position of anti-intellectualism or foolishness in the sense we think of it but is asserting that the Greek philosophers in their wisdom were unable to attain to the knowledge of God. That is to say that Paul's view is that man in his fallen state is unable to grasp the things of God: "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him" 1 Cor 2:14
However, the apostle does affirm wisdom but it is one that opposes man's views of God "we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age…….which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory" 2:6-8.

Paul himself was a very intelligent man and many, of course, have argued that Paul "intellectualised" Christianity.

Try these on for size:

"Come now, and let us REASON together," says the LORD
Isaiah 1:18

"Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, for WISDOM and power belong to Him…he gives wisdom to wise men and knowledge to men of understanding"
Daniel 2:19,21

"But at the end of that period, I Nebuchadneazzear, raised my eyes toward heaven and my REASON returned to me"
Daniel 4:34

"Therefore prepare your minds for action"
1 Peter 1:13

"regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, ACCORDING TO THE WISDOM GIVEN HIM, wrote to you, as also in all his letters speaking in them of these things"
2 Peter 3:15,16

9. Comment #10230 by Chris on November 27, 2006 at 2:07 pm

its a beautiful thing dingodave, brought a smile to my face.

10. Comment #10237 by DingoDave on November 27, 2006 at 2:27 pm

Zod Wrote in Comment #10229:
"Come now, and let us REASON together," says the LORD Isaiah 1:18"
And
"Therefore prepare your minds for action - 1 Peter 1:13"


Dear Zod, it's just a pity that many Christians never actually put this advice into practice. Instead, they prefer to quote Jesus and Paul.

11. Comment #10273 by DingoDave on November 27, 2006 at 4:18 pm

Zod Wrote:
"Well of course. Who could possibly believe that Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Newton, Pascal, Baumgardner, McGrath etc ad infinitum were/are anything less than "fools". Only a delusional atheist perhaps???"

Dear Zod,

They did the best they could with what they had to go on. But they were wrong on so many things. Unfortunately, they didn't have the benefit of modern science to guide them.
If modern science clearly shows us that they were wrong about so many other things; Things that they could have figured out for themselves, how can anyone seriously expect me to believe them when they started talking about invisibe places and invisible people?
At least they had an excuse. What's your excuse?

12. Comment #10281 by Anonymous on November 27, 2006 at 4:53 pm

Ref. Comment #102430 by Chris:

Dear Chris,
Glad you agree.

13. Comment #10287 by DingoDave on November 27, 2006 at 5:22 pm

Sorry Chris, Comment #10281 was meant to be from me.

14. Comment #10971 by Johan on December 2, 2006 at 5:31 am

Being a somewhat intelligent, thinking religious moderate must be awfully hard seeing the effects religious fanaticism has on society on the one side, and enduring the criticism of religion on the other. But communicating atheism to religious moderates and in a constructive way challenging their beliefs from a non-religious standpoint is also tricky. Maybe a little analogy can illuminate the dilemma religious moderates on the one hand atheists on the other must face.
My father is a staunch teetotaler living in Sweden. His argument, along the same lines as Richard Dawkin's, goes; even the most moderate drinker supports the whole enterprise of alcohol and the respect that alcohol (when consumed moderately) is paid in society.
Nobody all of a sudden decides to become an alcoholic but slips into
over-consuming (for all kinds of reasons) from having been a moderate drinker first. Although alcoholics tend to die at an early age, the number of alcoholics tends to be constant simply because the transition into the alcoholic group from the group of moderate drinkers never ends. Although the tax rate on alcohol in Sweden is very high indeed, it ought to be several times higher in order to cover the costs alcohol consumption directly and indirectly put on society.
And the argument that red wine reduces cholesterol levels in the blood, ad therefore should be considered healthy, is a bad one, since there are much healthier ways of doing this, eating the right sorts of fat, for instance, omega-3 found in Salmon, avocado, nuts etc, foods, unlike wine, that are not detrimental to the brain and liver. Basically, don't eat junk food in the first place! Almost all of the people over 100 years old tend to drink zero alcohol. Society on a whole and all people would be healthier if alcohol consumption was abolished. The evidence for this is overwhelming. There is the argument of a staunch teetotaler.

So, how does a very moderate drinker and 100% atheist like myself react to this argument and these hard facts on alcohol consumption in Sweden (which would apply anywhere)? Well, although I totally appreciate the facts and arguments against drinking and don't doubt their validity and accuracy for a second, I still enjoy a glass of wine or a beer occasionally. For purely emotional reasons. I have friends who are moderate drinkers and I like drinking with them. Giving in to reason would mean refusing to toast with my buddies and to a lesser or higher extent turning my back on parts of my social life. And neither my friends nor I have problems with wife beating, drunk driving etc. We're just normal decent people who can handle alcohol consumption and enjoy a little buzz every once in a while and the joyous atmosphere that goes with it. Chances are you yourself are just the same. If you, lime myself, can handle alcohol consumption by keeping it moderate and don't cause harm to others you might be inclined to say- "alcohol itself is not the problem, some people (always the others) are."
Religious moderates tend to argue along the same lines, "Religion per se is not bad, people are. Look at us, we are just decent non-violent normal church goers."
Fair enough. But both alcohol and religion are "substances" that change the state of the mind. We probably wouldn't get anywhere with prohibitions but maybe it's about time to enforce an age limit and double IDs in order to be able to attend a church service.
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