The end of one law for all?
Ethnic and religious courts are gaining ground in the UK. Will this lead to different justice for different people?2. Comment #10623 by Skeptic Jim on November 28, 2006 at 4:04 pm
>When you imigrate to a country, you are obliged to THEIR laws4. Comment #10638 by Anonymous on November 28, 2006 at 4:57 pm
We put a stop to that sort of thing in Canada:6. Comment #10646 by Bob Johnson on November 28, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Ah, but we do have this in the U.S. Most civil cases end up in pre-court settlements. Sometimes we are required to settle by arbitration - outside of court. AND do forget "Judge Judy" (a television show for non-US folks) were both sides can resolve their legal problems without a goverment justice system.7. Comment #10650 by One Eyed Jack on November 28, 2006 at 6:37 pm
I can't see how this is a good thing. Can anyone say slippery slope? I just see this potentially fostering an attitude of "I am not subject to your secular laws. I only answer to God's law."8. Comment #10654 by Anonymous on November 28, 2006 at 7:14 pm
"Parents fly in African village elders to circumcise their young daughters"9. Comment #10668 by Ian H Spedding FCD on November 28, 2006 at 8:54 pm
I wonder how well Muslim countries would tolerate enclaves of Westerners who tried to set up civil courts run on a British common law model, for example?10. Comment #10669 by Randy Ping on November 28, 2006 at 8:56 pm
They wouldn't, Ian.11. Comment #10674 by Ohnhai on November 28, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Sorry but there IS no leaway.13. Comment #10685 by maatnofret on November 28, 2006 at 11:34 pm
Ah, but we *do* have this in the US. At least we have a Beth Din. Check it out:16. Comment #10721 by Anonymous on November 29, 2006 at 3:00 am
A lot of comments here seem not to distinguish between civil and criminal law and the fact that English law appears to legislate for external civil courts therefore these courts are by definition under the jurisdiction of English law. (If they see criminal cases then they are guilty of obstruction of justice or some such thing...)17. Comment #10751 by Bob Russell on November 29, 2006 at 4:52 am
This is nuts...what happens when the victim is of one culture and the accused is of another? Who's cultural traditions (superstitons) would apply?19. Comment #10761 by thegashman on November 29, 2006 at 5:30 am
This doesn't preclude any normal prosecution or trial procedures under normal UK law though. As the article states, in the case of assault the police won't do anything anyway if the victim doesn't want to press charges. If they feel happier going to a "faith" trial, so be it, our legal system is over-stretched as it is.20. Comment #10763 by Stublore on November 29, 2006 at 5:31 am
One of the most serious cases it has dealt with was the "trial" of a group of young men accused of stabbing a fellow Somali.21. Comment #10792 by Simon Quick on November 29, 2006 at 8:26 am
Please note that, although my first reaction on reading the headline was very much the same as most, further reading showed it to be rather misleading. The issues in hand here are not criminal matters they are, as I understand it, civil disputes they are not even legal matters. As such they are matters commonly dealt with by arbitration or mediation in the UK and other countries very successfully and without reference to the courts. All matters that have a legal impact or are criminal matters must be put before the police or the courts.22. Comment #10844 by Stublore on November 29, 2006 at 12:16 pm
Comment #10817 by John Daigle on November 29, 2006 at 9:52 am23. Comment #10912 by John Phillips on December 1, 2006 at 12:01 pm
Please people, do read it fully, for while I agree that there are many questionable aspects of multiculturalism, this is not of one of them. English common law already allows for disputes to be handled outside the judicial system as long as ALL the participants agree and it doesn't try to override the judiciary in criminal cases. As to the Somali example, paying compensation for injury and even death is the norm in many muslim countries usually alongside or part of a judicial sentence. The correctness or not of the amount usually being the perogatuve of the victim or their family. The real danger here, is for the disadvantaged in some sections of society, such as muslim women for instance, being forced to participate against their will through cultural or family pressure.24. Comment #11179 by Jim on December 3, 2006 at 2:50 pm
It seems to me that what characterizes governments is that they are the only legitimate wielders of force. The only way a non-governmental body could impose its will would be through vigilanteism or with the sanction of government. Its rulings otherwise would be without teeth and meaningless.25. Comment #11486 by Kimpatsu on December 5, 2006 at 1:18 am
26. Comment #11875 by Sean on December 8, 2006 at 1:53 am
Forty-Two wrote:27. Comment #17819 by Fouad Boussetta on January 16, 2007 at 6:51 pm
1. Comment #10612 by Randy Ping on November 28, 2006 at 2:47 pm
<<Aydarus Yusuf has lived in the UK for the past 15 years, but he feels more bound by the traditional law of his country of birth - Somalia - than he does by the law of England and Wales.
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Then he should slog his happy little arse back to Somalia. When you imigrate to a country, you are obliged to THEIR laws.