Dennett at the Darwin FestivalI have just returned from the Darwin Festival, which is running this week in Cambridge as one of the main commemorative events of this Darwin bicentenary year. The quality has been mixed, to say the least, but nobody would deny that a major high spot was Dan Dennett’s brilliant talk on Wednesday morning. Dan drew delighted laughter and numerous bouts of applause as he gently mocked the Christian apologists who, for some reason, had been invited to speak. Probably the loudest applause was for his simile of the ‘Cheshire Cat’s grin’ for the way ‘sophisticated’ theologians retreat and retreat in the face of science until there is nothing left but the unctuously vacuous smile. More than ever, one is left wondering why ‘theology’ is regarded as a subject at all.
On the two previous days, Dan was in the audience during a pair of divided sessions, one on ‘Theology in Darwinian Context’ and the other on ‘The Evolution of Religion’. I didn’t go to those sessions, but I was glad to receive two letters from Dan (also circulated to a few other people, including Jerry Coyne and PZ Myers), giving his amusing impressions. I asked Dan’s permission to post them, and he gave it for the following slightly modified version:-
Richard
“I am attending and participating in the big Cambridge University Darwin Week bash, and I noticed that one of the two concurrent sessions the first day was on evolution and theology, and was ‘supported by the Templeton Foundation’ (though the list of Festival Donors and Sponsors does not include any mention of Templeton). I dragged myself away from a promising session on speciation, and attended. Good thing I did. It was wonderfully awful. We heard about the Big Questions, a phrase used often, and it was opined that the new atheists naively endorse the proposition that “There are no meaningful questions that science cannot answer.” Richard Dawkins’ wonderful sentence about how nasty the God of the Old Testament is was read with relish by Philip Clayton, Professor at Claremont School of Theology in California, and the point apparently was to illustrate just how philistine these atheists were—though I noticed that he didn’t say he disagreed with Richard’s evaluation of Yahweh. We were left to surmise, I guess, that it was tacky of Richard to draw attention to these embarrassing blemishes in an otherwise august tradition worthy of tremendous respect. The larger point was the complaint that the atheists have a “dismissive attitude toward the Big Questions” and Dawkins, in particular, didn’t consult theologians. (H. Allen Orr, they were singing your song.) Clayton astonished me by listing God’s attributes: according to his handsomely naturalistic theology, God is not omnipotent, not even supernatural, and . . . . in short Clayton is an atheist who won’t admit it.
That’s the end of Dan’s account. I should add that those two religious sessions were supported by the Templeton Foundation, with the result that the distinguished biologist Robert Hinde FRS withdrew from speaking. I circulated the story, to the same circle of people, in the following terms:-
“Robert Hinde is the elder statesman of the science of Ethology and one of the most respected figures in British biology. I just met him at the big Cambridge Darwin Festival. Robert had agreed to speak in one of the sessions on 'Religion and Science' but withdrew on learning that it was sponsored by the Templeton Foundation. He is now even more respected among British biologists.”
Richard
2. Comment #394771 by Cartomancer on July 9, 2009 at 10:39 am
3. Comment #394773 by Quine on July 9, 2009 at 10:46 am
4. Comment #394774 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 10:56 am
Brilliant piece. So much of what Dennett reports seems wonderfully bonkers:Jesus was “a spiritual mutation, ” and “the culmination of the evolutionary process,” marking a turning point in world history.
5. Comment #394775 by GalacticAtom on July 9, 2009 at 10:56 am
6. Comment #394776 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 10:58 am
Comment #394775 by GalacticAtom7. Comment #394778 by Enlightenme.. on July 9, 2009 at 11:22 am
8. Comment #394780 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 11:31 am
9. Comment #394787 by Lucas on July 9, 2009 at 12:17 pm
10. Comment #394789 by Enlightenme.. on July 9, 2009 at 12:31 pm
11. Comment #394790 by rod-the-farmer on July 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Ruse declared that while he is an atheist, he wishes that those wanting to explain religion wouldn’t start with the assumption that religious beliefs are false
12. Comment #394795 by JAMCAM87 on July 9, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I’m Dan Dennett, one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,
13. Comment #394796 by AfraidToDie on July 9, 2009 at 12:59 pm
14. Comment #394798 by SurfDude on July 9, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Very enjoyable article.15. Comment #394799 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 1:24 pm
SurfDude-16. Comment #394803 by Michel on July 9, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I was at the festival on wednesday morning, and the Dennett lecture absolutely was one of the highlights. Steven Jones was equally impressive, although his time to speak was criminally short (8 minutes).17. Comment #394804 by MaxD on July 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm
18. Comment #394805 by rod-the-farmer on July 9, 2009 at 1:41 pm
19. Comment #394806 by MaxD on July 9, 2009 at 1:43 pm
20. Comment #394807 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Comment #394804 by MaxD21. Comment #394809 by MaxD on July 9, 2009 at 1:54 pm
22. Comment #394810 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Comment #394809 by MaxD23. Comment #394812 by phiwilli on July 9, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Dennett maybe has one wee mistake - kenotic theology is not new (if he means "in the last few years"), although clearly it is new to Dennett. Almost 50 years ago I encountered it at a Southern Baptist seminary - although at that time no one connected it with evolution. In fact, many of my seminary profs had no complaints at all about evolution. Of course, since then there have been big changes in Southern Baptist beliefs!24. Comment #394817 by Enlightenme.. on July 9, 2009 at 2:44 pm
25. Comment #394818 by SurfDude on July 9, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Steve,26. Comment #394820 by RichardofYork on July 9, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Just try to pry the smile from my face27. Comment #394824 by Cartomancer on July 9, 2009 at 3:30 pm
This suggests an exciting project. Look for Jesus' tomb. Presumably there might be traces of DNA, even after the resurrection.You have, I assume quite unwittingly, stumbled upon a rather vexed piece of later medieval theological disputation there. Whether or not christ left anything behind on earth after the ascension, or whether he took every last particle of himself with him when he resurrected and buggered off, was a question on which not only doctrinal clarity but also a fair amount of money and prestige rested.
28. Comment #394826 by H u d on July 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm
It was wonderfully awful.
kenotic theology
29. Comment #394827 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 3:46 pm
30. Comment #394829 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 3:50 pm
You have, I assume quite unwittingly, stumbled upon a rather vexed piece of later medieval theological disputation there.
31. Comment #394830 by Cartomancer on July 9, 2009 at 3:53 pm
32. Comment #394832 by HughCaldwell on July 9, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I wonder if any church has a phial of the Messiah's semen.33. Comment #394834 by SurfDude on July 9, 2009 at 4:10 pm
JesusJizz™ **34. Comment #394836 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 4:47 pm
35. Comment #394839 by HughCaldwell on July 9, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Where the Messiah's semen went is something for evolutionary theologians to work out.36. Comment #394843 by SurfDude on July 9, 2009 at 5:26 pm
j.mills -37. Comment #394844 by SurfDude on July 9, 2009 at 5:38 pm
HughCaldwell,38. Comment #394845 by MaxD on July 9, 2009 at 5:40 pm
39. Comment #394848 by Enlightenme.. on July 9, 2009 at 6:12 pm
40. Comment #394856 by Hellene on July 9, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Any fool knows that the virgin goddess Artemis, had her purest of followers, Hippolytus, resurrected by her father Dias (Zeus). He went to Italy after that and established temples in the honor of Artemis.41. Comment #394857 by HKSARblog on July 9, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Wonderful, wonderful feedback from Dan Dennett!42. Comment #394858 by Alternative Carpark on July 9, 2009 at 8:15 pm
The Spirit lives to set us free,
walk, walk in the light.
He binds us all in unity,
walk, walk in the light.
Walk in the light, walk in the light, walk in the light,
walk in the light of the Lord.
43. Comment #394859 by NakedCelt on July 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Boyer presented a persuasive case that the “packaging” of the stew of separable and largely independent items as “religion” is itself ideology generated by the institutions, a sort of advertising that has the effect of turning religions into “brands” in competition.Quoted for truth. You don't need to believe in a sky-father to give your loved ones gifts at midwinter (for instance).
Ruse declared that while he is an atheist, he wishes that those wanting to explain religion wouldn’t start with the assumption that religious beliefs are false. He doesn’t seem to appreciate the role of the null hypothesis or the presumption of innocence in trials.I can see what Dennett means, but I can also see what Ruse means. It doesn't happen very often that a belief arises or spreads because it is false. See above -- a "religion" is not a monolithic assertion of a single viewpoint, it's a package of various culturally transmitted beliefs and practices. If you want to explain religion you need to consider it in context; the specific false metaphysical claims it makes will always look weird when pulled out of the mix and examined in the cold light of day.
44. Comment #394860 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 8:26 pm
45. Comment #394861 by HKSARblog on July 9, 2009 at 9:00 pm
j.mills. Nice one! Anyway, such a list on this site would be a good starting point for anyone, anywhere, to do initial background checks on public speakers.46. Comment #394866 by Dr Doctor on July 9, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I can see what Dennett means, but I can also see what Ruse means. It doesn't happen very often that a belief arises or spreads because it is false. See above -- a "religion" is not a monolithic assertion of a single viewpoint, it's a package of various culturally transmitted beliefs and practices. If you want to explain religion you need to consider it in context; the specific false metaphysical claims it makes will always look weird when pulled out of the mix and examined in the cold light of day.
47. Comment #394869 by Roland_F on July 9, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Pascal Boyer’s book Religion Explained is a very interesting read. The roots of all human superstition, supernatural believes in dead ancestors, fairies and God s explained from an anthropologists.48. Comment #394871 by hoops mccann on July 9, 2009 at 11:06 pm
49. Comment #394879 by Shuggy on July 9, 2009 at 11:53 pm
I don't know of any claims to possess holy milk teeth, hair or toenails, but there have been several alleged relics which claim to be jesus's actual circumcised foreskin...And this guy knows where it is!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
50. Comment #394889 by PERSON on July 10, 2009 at 1:13 am
11. Comment #394790 by rod-the-farmer on July 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm
1. Comment #394768 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 10:07 am
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