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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document An Exercise in Contempt

by Richard Kirk

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Reposted from: http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10729


"Sublimely non-tendentious," that's the phrase I've always attributed to Alfred North Whitehead -- a man who began his career as a Cambridge mathematician collaborating with Bertrand Russell and ended that career as a Harvard philosopher and metaphysician. Two things you can count on when reading Whitehead. First, he will look at the big picture. Second, he will generously give to all historical players the credit due to them. I make these points to contrast Whitehead's modus operandi with the scattershot pettiness that pervades Richard Dawkins' book, The God Delusion (Houghton Mifflin, 416 pages, $27).

Here's a sample taken from Whitehead's Science and the Modern World -- a stunningly insightful text based on the Lowell Lectures of 1925:

The Reformation and the scientific movement were two aspects of the [historical] revolt which was the dominant intellectual movement of the later Renaissance. The appeal to the origins of Christianity, and Francis Bacon's appeal to efficient causes as against final causes, were two sides of one movement of thought.


And again:

I do not think...that I have even yet brought out the greatest contribution of medievalism to the formation of the scientific movement. I mean the inexpugnable belief that every detailed occurrence can be correlated with its antecedents in a perfectly definite manner, exemplifying general principles. Without this belief the incredible labours of scientists would be without hope.... My explanation is that the faith in the possibility of science, generated antecedently to the development of modern scientific theory, is an unconscious derivation from medieval theology.


To simplify, both the Reformation and modern science arose out of a "movement of thought" that, in the case of science, rebelled against final causes. Yet, ironically, the confidence that modern science displays in its intellectual project rests upon an unconscious faith in the universe's detailed rationality that was derived from medieval theology.

Don't look for anything like this kind of subtle analysis in The God Delusion. What you'll find, instead, is page after sarcastic page of attacks against any foe Dawkins considers an easy target: Pat Robertson, Pastor Ted Haggard, Ann Coulter, a small fundamentalist school in Northeast England (to which 7 of Dawkins' 374 pages are devoted), Pastor Fred "God Hates Fags" Phelps, Dr. James Dobson, and, of course, G. W. Bush -- who supposedly invaded Iraq because he was told to do so by God. Even poor Carl Jung is made into a kook by Dawkins for believing "that particular books on his shelf spontaneously exploded." (I've read a number of works written by Freud's unfaithful protege and have yet to encounter the concept of spontaneous book combustion. Dawkins, however, as with the comment about President Bush and Iraq, doesn't bother to provide references for these claims.)

When it comes to magnanimity, here's a sample of the author's generosity: "To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird." This comment shows the contempt Dawkins consistently displays for ideas that don't conform to his own -- a bio-creed that includes the following affirmations: life emerged on earth due to random interactions of material elements; life evolved from its primitive forms to its current complexity because of natural selection; no god is needed to make sense of these (or any other) phenomena.

In truth, Dawkins' entire book is an exercise in contempt -- summarily dismissing Thomas Aquinas' theological arguments and devoting less than 100 breezy pages to the whole issue of God's existence. The rest of Dawkins' book discusses -- with the jaundiced eye of an H. L. Mencken in biological drag -- how religious beliefs are given undue social deference, why Einstein's references to God aren't religious, why eastern religions aren't religions, why religion developed (socio-biologically), how the Bible is a jumble of historical trash, how religion promotes intolerance and undermines science, how Hitler may have been Catholic, why Stalin's atheism doesn't matter, why society doesn't need religion to be moral, why Jefferson was probably an atheist (the non-mentioned God-statements on the Jefferson Memorial to the contrary notwithstanding), why studying religion to understand literary references is okay, and why parents indoctrinating their children with religious beliefs are guilty of child abuse. (The depth of Dawkins' political thought is shown by his failure to ponder for one second the implications of a government that can tell parents what beliefs they can and cannot transmit to their offspring.)


FAR FROM BEING A SERIOUS philosophical book, this ill-edited and garrulous diatribe contains just about anything that crosses the author's mind -- including numerous quotes from that popular author, atheist, and graduate student, Sam Harris. What one won't find in The God Delusion is serious curiosity about the essential nature of the universe. The billions upon billions of stars and galaxies that Carl Sagan invoked with semi-mystical awe, become, for Dawkins, a mere premise for his theoretical conceit that random interactions could have produced the phenomenon of life on earth. (With so many planets, it had to have happened somewhere!) Never mind the fact that scientists endowed with that mysterious chemical characteristic known as consciousness can't, with purposeful intent, replicate that vital accident. And never mind that scientists like DNA-theorist Francis Crick were so baffled by the complexity of early life forms that they toyed with a panspermia hypothesis according to which space aliens brought life-seeds to earth. And finally, never mind the embarrassing fossil-record confession by the late Harvard biologist, Stephen Jay Gould, that "most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth" and that in any local area, "a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed.'"

Dawkins' treatment of that mathematical genius and 17th century philosopher, Blaise Pascal, is typical of his general approach. Dawkins seizes on Pascal's weakest argument, the wager, and ridicules its obvious flaws. Ignored are the well-known passages that ground Pascal's (oft-wavering) faith in the inadequacy of the human mind to deal with the enormity of the universe -- both the infinitely large and the infinitely small. In Pascal's words, "The whole visible world is only an imperceptible atom in the ample bosom of nature. No idea approaches it. We may enlarge our conceptions beyond all imaginable space; we only produce atoms in comparison with the reality of things. It is an infinite sphere, the center of which is everywhere, the circumference nowhere. In short, it is the greatest sensible mark of the almighty power of God that imagination loses itself in that thought."

Had Dawkins bothered to cite this assertion, he would doubtless have countered it with replies that recur throughout his book. First, the awe that Pascal discusses has nothing to do with religion. Rather, it's the kind of atheistic wonder that's typical in scientists like Einstein. Second, this "God of the gaps" argument simply fills in the blanks of our ignorance with a destructive, curiosity-impeding concept. Third -- and this is Dawkins' favorite argument -- the complexity of a God who created the world requires explanation. Put simply: Who made God?

Worshipful humility in the face of mind-boggling (possibly parallel) universes is an emotion foreign to Dawkins -- though the academic pugilist does admit to feeling very lucky. As for the "Who made God?" argument, this retort (convincing to any skeptical freshman who hasn't read Aristotle or Kant) ignores the fact that philosophical explanations, as Wittgenstein and others have noted, have to end somewhere. The real question is whether one's explanation terminates with a meaningless cosmos or with a being who provides a reason for things. Dawkins, without further ado, assumes that the former alternative is the only rational choice. In this way he gives tacit expression to the point of view that Whitehead criticized some 80 years ago:

There persists...throughout the whole [modern] period the fixed scientific cosmology which presupposes the ultimate fact of an irreducible brute matter, or material, spread throughout space in a flux of configurations. It itself, such a material is senseless, valueless, purposeless. It just does what it does do, following a fixed routine imposed by external relations which do not spring from the nature of its being. It is this assumption that I call "scientific materialism." Also, it is an assumption which I shall challenge as being entirely unsuited to the scientific situation at which we have now arrived.


Whitehead continues, displaying the non-tendentiousness to which I previously referred,

It [scientific materialism] is not wrong, if properly construed. If we confine ourselves to certain types of facts, abstracted from the complete circumstances in which they occur, the materialistic assumption expresses these facts to perfection. But when we pass beyond the abstraction, either by more subtle employment of our senses, or by the request for meanings and for coherence of thoughts, the scheme breaks down at once.


In other words, once we look for a rational ground for complex development, self-consciousness, aesthetics, morality, and the universe itself, Dawkins' brute facts (which in the world of quantum physics are neither brutish nor facts) look extremely lame. This lameness, I should add, comports nicely with the pleasure-based ethical system to which Dawkins appeals with no particular rigor.

Overall, Dawkins' "philosophy" amounts to little more than this unintentionally humorous observation by Dr. Edward Tryon that was quoted in a Time-Life book on cosmology, "Our universe is simply one of those things that happens from time to time." That's reason according to Dawkins -- a man whose cultural and philosophical observations are predictably au courant, consistently dogmatic, and largely unreflective. He is the un-Whitehead, a man who will never (barring divine intervention) appreciate this sublime comment by my philosophical mentor: "In the study of ideas, it is necessary to remember that insistence on hard-headed clarity issues from sentimental feeling, as it were a mist, cloaking the perplexities of fact. Insistence on clarity at all costs is based on sheer superstition as to the mode in which human intelligence functions. Our reasonings grasp at straws for premises and float on gossamers for deductions."


Richard Kirk is a freelance writer who lives in Oceanside, California. He is a regular columnist for San Diego's North County Times, and his reviews have also been published in the American Enterprise, First Things, Touchstone, and the California Republic website. See his blog, Richard Kirk on Ethics: Musing With A Hammer.

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1. Comment #12551 by goddogit on December 12, 2006 at 2:43 pm

More self-righteous thundering from the inside of another teapot of a nobody, this one associated with something called "American Enterprise." This immediately reminds me of, and might actually be associated with, that citadel of rationalization, the purest distillation of that illegitimate, monstrous bastardization of Darwin's ideas called "social Darwinism" - the American Enterprise Institute)
I question why such drivelling is recycled here, unless it is having some actual impact on the debate (or culture war), since there is a currently endless market for this sort of paid hackery and, like Prof. Dawkins questions from fundamentalists everywhere, they raise no interesting points but merely remind us of the poison that religion can manufacture out of fear and pride.

At best, we see another guy willing to write what sells somewhere, and we need further examples of the truth of Mark Twain's "Corn-pone Philosophy" not at all.

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2. Comment #12552 by Dylan Dog on December 12, 2006 at 2:44 pm

Started to get annoyed when I first started reading this but really showed me that Mr Kirk is an ignorant fraud was his willfull use of one of the more infamous creationist misquotes of Stephen Gould.

It is interesting that Mr Kirk does not give the full quote, which either shows that he copied it from a creationist website without checking it's authenticity(likely) or actually read the article and has been even more dishonest by omitting material that he read(less likely). In either instance Mr. Kirk has shown himself to pretty useless and utterly inept as any sort of journalist.

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3. Comment #12554 by jbannan on December 12, 2006 at 2:56 pm

It's difficult to trawl through this sort of ignorant vitriol, but I suppose it's something you have to do for the sake of the intellectual exercise, and to avoid ending up like those you fundamentally disagree with.

Mr Kirk seems to have totally misunderstood the arguments in "The God Delusion" and based his entire criticism on his own inability to grasp the concepts. I suppose we must look at it from his perspective - if someone is arguing a case with powerful language and you DON'T understand what the argument is driving at, the only position you're left in is to criticise the method of argument.

This article offers no real criticism which should be taken seriously, and merely serves to highlight the author's own intellectual shortcomings.

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4. Comment #12555 by Bitterman on December 12, 2006 at 2:59 pm

 avatarOh the poor lamb, he sounds in so much pain. That nasty Mr. Dawkins has kicked away his emotional crutch.

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5. Comment #12556 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 3:00 pm

 avatar"This lameness, I should add, comports nicely with the pleasure-based ethical system to which Dawkins appeals with no particular rigor."
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Dawkins respects other individuals to decide what gives them pleasure, he does not tell others what is ethical or not regarding that subject other than listing his four commandments (p 264):

1) Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business.

2) Do not discriminate or oppress on the basis of sex, race or (as far as possible) species.

3) Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, how to evaluate evidence, and how to disagree with you.

4) Value the future on a timescale longer than your own.

Though Dawkins has thoughtfully compiled a useful guideline to which we can all refer, the 'rigor' in which we apply these principles are our own business and our own choice.

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6. Comment #12557 by eggplantbren on December 12, 2006 at 3:12 pm

 avatarYet another "philosophical" review. The problem with these is that they consider God to be some sort of undefinable concept, a vague nothing. Which is nothing like the concept of a sky-God that most people worship. THe kind worth praying to, and that forgives sins and punishes people and that sort of thing.

The former is so vague as to not warrant any waste of effort thinking about, and the latter is a delusion, the topic of Richard's book.

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7. Comment #12564 by Mr. Mark on December 12, 2006 at 3:25 pm

The predictability of the attacks on Dawkin's book have reached the level of advanced snore-dom. Have they no original thoughts or strategems to put their opinions forward?

I'm all for giving the other side a chance to weigh in on Richard's books/beliefs, but at this point, this website would do well to employ an editor to sift through the dreck and limit such anti-Dawkins posts to the more-entertaining/creative (?) screeds out there. I see no reason to post every ill-informed, fantasy-based article that appears on the subject.

Of course, it's not my website.

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8. Comment #12565 by mikejswalker on December 12, 2006 at 3:28 pm

This is so much about the writing. It says, "please mister big newspaper, please employ me". Not one thing in the dawkins book is seriously addressed by this article. It's more about his contempt for dawkins. He actually sounds jealous. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Free from debate. Cosy armchair warrior.

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9. Comment #12566 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 3:28 pm

 avatar"Dawkins' treatment of that mathematical genius and 17th century philosopher, Blaise Pascal, is typical of his general approach. Dawkins seizes on Pascal's weakest argument, the wager, and ridicules its obvious flaws."
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Despite that arguement of Pascal's being weak, it is still commonly presented as a reason that one may just as well believe as not to (speaking of lack of rigor). Is it Dawkin's fault that such weak arguements are embraced and used with sickening repetition? Should he then not focus on dismantling the weakness of that wager just because it is weak?

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10. Comment #12568 by Jack Rawlinson on December 12, 2006 at 3:32 pm

 avatarAnother farrago of straw men, shameless misrepresentation and the blustering rage of someone who clearly doesn't think it's nice to call a spade a spade - at least where religion is concerned. Is there no end to these lying bores?

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11. Comment #12569 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 3:34 pm

 avatarIn Pascal's words, "The whole visible world is only an imperceptible atom in the ample bosom of nature. No idea approaches it. We may enlarge our conceptions beyond all imaginable space; we only produce atoms in comparison with the reality of things. It is an infinite sphere, the center of which is everywhere, the circumference nowhere. In short, it is the greatest sensible mark of the almighty power of God that imagination loses itself in that thought."
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Oh right Kirk, that is so much stronger than Pascal's wager.

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12. Comment #12571 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 3:39 pm

 avatarI, too, my dear Kirk, am bemused why Dawkins did not fill every page in his TGD with more writings by Pascal. Does Dawkins think that he can write what he decides to in his own words in his own book? What a charlatan Dawkins is! Why does he not become besotted with Pascal and write much more about him? I mean after all, one can never get enough of Pascal, since his original writings were so meagre.

(yes, I am being sarcastic, of course)

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13. Comment #12575 by prelevent on December 12, 2006 at 3:46 pm

The part of this little review that struck me the most was the quotation of Pascal's,

The whole visible world is only an imperceptible atom in the ample bosom of nature. No idea approaches it. We may enlarge our conceptions beyond all imaginable space; we only produce atoms in comparison with the reality of things. It is an infinite sphere, the center of which is everywhere, the circumference nowhere. In short, it is the greatest sensible mark of the almighty power of God that imagination loses itself in that thought."


When I first read this it reminded me of another person perpetually in awe of the vastness of the universe,

"The size and age of the Cosmos are beyond ordinary human understanding. Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. In a cosmic perspective, most human concerns seem insignificant, even petty. And yet our species is young and curious and brave and shows much promise. In the last few millennia we have made the most astonishing and unexpected discoveries about the Cosmos and our place within it, explorations that are exhilarating to consider. They remind us that humans have evolved to wonder, that understanding is a joy, that knowledge is prerequisite to survival. I believe our future depends on how well we know this Cosmos in which we float like a mote of dust in the morning sky."

This is of course Carl Sagan from Cosmos. I see relatively little substantial difference between the two quotes. Kirk even acknowledges Sagan's "semi-mystical awe" as he dismisses what I think to be a virtually identical awe in the words of Dawkins.

(I think this is from Ancestor's Tale)
"After sleeping through a hundred million centuries we have finally opened our eyes on a sumptuous planet, sparkling with color, bountiful with life. Within decades we must close our eyes again. Isn't it a noble, an enlightened way of spending our brief time in the sun, to work at understanding the universe and how we have come to wake up in it? This is how I answer when I am asked—as I am surprisingly often—why I bother to get up in the mornings."

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14. Comment #12576 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 3:47 pm

 avatarAs trite and useless as this kind of writing is, I do think it is important to include this type here. In researching Jung on the net, I came across a reference to this article on a blog called repaired reason--just check out that blog to see how much bile against Dawkins is being released because of this spineless mush.

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15. Comment #12579 by prelevent on December 12, 2006 at 3:56 pm

Just a little clear up. When I say, "I see relatively little substantial difference between the two quotes" I mean to say that they are several hundred years removed from each other, but that the central "awe" is found in both. One comes with several hundred years of refinement though... and this means that the other lacks the new framework with which to approach that awe.

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16. Comment #12580 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 3:57 pm

 avatarIn short, it is the greatest sensible mark of the almighty power of God that imagination loses itself in that thought.
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Though I agree with prevlevent's post, about how this pascal quote actually does show an affinity with Dawkin's and Sagan's awe of the beauty and immenseness of the natural world, Kirk is using that viewpoint in his unrigorous way to say that one cannot question this sublimeness, and certainly not in a tendentious manner, by pointing out evidence supporting the improbability of a God just because of this immenseness that we must all just worship.

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17. Comment #12581 by TearTheRoofOffTheSucker on December 12, 2006 at 4:05 pm

Logicel, just to let you know that I think your commenting on recent articles provide very entertaining readings. I don't mean to sound as if I'm half way up your anal cavity; It's just good stuff.

In fact, due to the quality of the comments on this site, I often feel inclined to sit back and have a good old read, rather than get stuck in myself. This is why you probably haven't heard much from me, if anything.

Keep it up guys! My evenings (in uk) are your afternoons, so when i get in from my late shifts at work your cracking down with some shizzle. My nizzle.

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18. Comment #12582 by Pieter on December 12, 2006 at 4:08 pm

It seems to me that a lot of reviewers are attacking TGD because it isn't 'philosophical' enough. What they should be saying is that it isn't obscure enough to meet the supposed 'philosophical' standards. Thus they are essentially complaining that Professor Dawkins' is too clear on the subject. This review was nothing more than the trite ravings of someone beyond help anyways, and it seems to me his biggest problem with the book is that someone may (God forbid) understand its message.

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19. Comment #12583 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 4:23 pm

 avatar15. Comment #12579 by prelevent on December 12, 2006 at 3:56 pm

Just a little clear up. When I say, "I see relatively little substantial difference between the two quotes" I mean to say that they are several hundred years removed from each other, but that the central "awe" is found in both. One comes with several hundred years of refinement though... and this means that the other lacks the new framework with which to approach that awe.
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Unlike Pascal, Kirk in living at present, so what is his excuse to choose to blind himself to a few centuries of scientific achievment that has occurred since Pascal died?

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20. Comment #12584 by Joadist on December 12, 2006 at 4:28 pm

Well, I must add one bravo in favor of the reviewer;

"HL Mencken in Biological drag"

If anyone ever referred to me in such a manner, then I would feel that my entire existence had been justified.

RD's publicist should seize on that phrase and proudly display it on book covers and t-shirts.

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21. Comment #12589 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 4:48 pm

 avatarI do not think...that I have even yet brought out the greatest contribution of medievalism to the formation of the scientific movement. I mean the inexpugnable belief that every detailed occurrence can be correlated with its antecedents in a perfectly definite manner, exemplifying general principles. Without this belief the incredible labours of scientists would be without hope.... My explanation is that the faith in the possibility of science, generated antecedently to the development of modern scientific theory, is an unconscious derivation from medieval theology.
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Since Kirk has been so intellectually dishonest concerning the focus of TGD, and since I have not read any original writings of Alfred North Whitehead, I cannot know at this point if Kirk has taken his words out of context also.

But as the quote in itself reads, this what I can make out: human curiousity--that evolution has shaped so we can survive by asking questions and solving problems--is not the reason why science has advanced. It has advanced because of 'faith' in the possibility of science which has been given to us 'unconsciously' from medieval theology. If it is unconscious then how can Whitehead know about it?

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22. Comment #12591 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 4:55 pm

 avatarTo simplify, both the Reformation and modern science arose out of a "movement of thought" that, in the case of science, rebelled against final causes. Yet, ironically, the confidence that modern science displays in its intellectual project rests upon an unconscious faith in the universe's detailed rationality that was derived from medieval theology.

Don't look for anything like this kind of subtle analysis in The God Delusion.
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Wonder if Kirk could also appreciate the 'subtle' irony of evolution giving us brains so we can imagine and increase our understanding of the natural world, and then we just go along and diss the importance of evolution anyway?

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23. Comment #12592 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 5:00 pm

 avatarhow religious beliefs are given undue social deference, why Einstein's references to God aren't religious, why eastern religions aren't religions, why religion developed (socio-biologically), how the Bible is a jumble of historical trash, how religion promotes intolerance and undermines science, how Hitler may have been Catholic, why Stalin's atheism doesn't matter, why society doesn't need religion to be moral, why Jefferson was probably an atheist (the non-mentioned God-statements on the Jefferson Memorial to the contrary notwithstanding), why studying religion to understand literary references is okay, and why parents indoctrinating their children with religious beliefs are guilty of child abuse.
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Such fluff Dawkins concerns himself with--did he actually fill up an entire book with these unimportant points?

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24. Comment #12593 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 5:07 pm

 avatar(The depth of Dawkins' political thought is shown by his failure to ponder for one second the implications of a government that can tell parents what beliefs they can and cannot transmit to their offspring.)
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Again, science and critical thinking are not beliefs, based on faith. One of Dawkin's commandments is to encourage your child to disagree with you.

I once said this to an elderly lady with 4 grown children, and she said, well, in that case I would not have had any children.

Children are not parental property, they are full fledged human beings, and their marvelous mental capacities need to be encouraged and nourished by their caretakers, and not stifled.

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25. Comment #12596 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 5:15 pm

 avatar...including numerous quotes from that popular author, atheist, and graduate student, Sam Harris.
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A graduate student of what discipline and from what university and at what level?

Per Harris' bio at his site: He is a graduate in philosophy from Stanford University and has studied both Eastern and Western religious traditions, along with a variety of contemplative disciplines, for twenty years. Mr. Harris is now completing a doctorate in neuroscience.

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26. Comment #12598 by Logicel on December 12, 2006 at 5:35 pm

 avatarHe is the un-Whitehead, a man who will never (barring divine intervention) appreciate this sublime comment by my philosophical mentor: "In the study of ideas, it is necessary to remember that insistence on hard-headed clarity issues from sentimental feeling, as it were a mist, cloaking the perplexities of fact. Insistence on clarity at all costs is based on sheer superstition as to the mode in which human intelligence functions. Our reasonings grasp at straws for premises and float on gossamers for deductions."
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Dastardly Dawkins, abominably 'un-Whitehead', keeps on insisting being himself--a man who uses all of his being, his energy, his time so we do not have to grasp at straws for premises and float on gossamers for deductions. Wait a minute, does that mean Dawkins is more Whiteheadish then Whitehead himself?

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27. Comment #12600 by John P on December 12, 2006 at 6:12 pm

 avatarIt always struck me that philosophic analysis of the existence of God was mere rationalization after the fact - after assuming God's existence. It never impressed me, and this reviewers philosophical musings notwithstanding, I still see no philosophical rationale to believe in God. Philosophy seems too close to theology, and theology assumes the existence of God in all of its arguments. If God doesn't exist, theology as a discipline is about as valid as astrology or alchemy.



Oh. And I thought Pascal's Wager was his strongest argument for the existence of God.

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28. Comment #12601 by Zaphod on December 12, 2006 at 6:21 pm

 avatarDid this author want to bum Alfred North Whitehead or what?

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29. Comment #12604 by Joadist on December 12, 2006 at 7:28 pm

John P,

An important point and well stated.

I asked the police to find the guy who stole my car. They made a list of suspects and questioned them. They never found out who stole my car.

Finally, one cop asked me what kind of car I owned. I had to admit that I never really owned a car, but I was still sure it had been stolen.

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30. Comment #12614 by canicula on December 12, 2006 at 11:47 pm

 avatar"I do not think...that I have even yet brought out the greatest contribution of medievalism to the formation of the scientific movement. I mean the inexpugnable belief that every detailed occurrence can be correlated with its antecedents in a perfectly definite manner, exemplifying general principles. Without this belief the incredible labours of scientists would be without hope.... My explanation is that the faith in the possibility of science, generated antecedently to the development of modern scientific theory, is an unconscious derivation from medieval theology."

I'm sorry, is that a sentence? I'm as guilty as any writer of liking long words, but this is just silly and obfuscating.

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31. Comment #12649 by Roger Stanyard on December 13, 2006 at 4:34 am

 avatarRhichard Kirk writes for the American Enterprise, published by the American Enterprise Institute. The AEI is the bedrock of the neo-conservative movement in the USA. He's not politically impartial; indeed, he's nailed his flag to the mast of one of the biggest political disasters that has ever struck the USA.

The AEI are a bunch of failed political hasbeens.

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32. Comment #12652 by funkyderek on December 13, 2006 at 5:20 am

 avatar"The real question is whether one's explanation terminates with a meaningless cosmos or with a being who provides a reason for things. Dawkins, without further ado, assumes that the former alternative is the only rational choice."

Dawkins actually made quite a lot of "further ado" about this point, arguing convincingly that terminating an infinite regress with a complex omnipotent being is not in any way satisfying or explanatory. Whatever caused the small and simple singularity that began our universe, it is vastly unlikely to be an intelligent being, and if it were, such a being would itself need explaining.
I'm not really sure how anyone could read the book and miss that.

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33. Comment #12674 by Thrall on December 13, 2006 at 8:03 am

Wow, talk about an "ill-Edited" article, what a rambling and disorganized pile of pap.

Why argue about George Bush being religiously driven and not having any "references". He's said so on several occasions, why drag up the page and paper it was written down previously on. That's like saying you need to reference that Rush Limbaugh has a drug addiction.

Sigh. Another tirade against the strange evolution that doesn't exist. It's not like, whoops! I have legs! or Whoops, I have an eyeball (much like it sounds like he is arguing. Wow, amazing.

Next time I review a book, i'll bring up the enlightenment, Jimmy Carter, and the sliding filiment theory, just to be on par with this awesome writer.

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34. Comment #12771 by Logicel on December 13, 2006 at 6:29 pm

 avatar"He is the un-Whitehead,..."
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Such an odd literary style. Is Golda Meir the un-Marilyn Monroe? Is Bush the un-Einstein? However, one could say that bloomers are un-Derpants.

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35. Comment #12865 by Pilot22A on December 14, 2006 at 5:47 am

This review by Kirk sounds like a junior high school book report, line after line of criticism without proper reference nor referenced argument.

I have read "The God Delusion" twice now, and it does make me somewhat uneasy when I read Dawkins statements about Haggard and others of Haggards ilk. I am not uneasy about the comments, which are direct and one point, but because I dislike seeing guys like him and Coulter mentioned in an otherwise excellent book.

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36. Comment #13113 by Logicel on December 15, 2006 at 2:54 pm

 avatar"He is the un-Whitehead,..."
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Oh come on, Kirk, say what you really what to say which is that Dawkins is the ANTI-WHITEHEAD.

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