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Sunday, March 18, 2007 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments |

Document Lonely Atheists of the Global Village

by Michael Novak

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Michael Novak reviews Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris; Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, by Daniel C. Dennett; and The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins.

Time magazine, ever the vigilant trend spotter, has celebrated a recent wave of books by atheists--among them, these three by Sam Harris, Daniel C. Dennett, and Richard Dawkins. These books have three purposes: to speed up the disappearance of Biblical faith, especially in America; to proselytize for rational atheism; and to boost morale among atheists, in part by calling attention to support groups for them. Their overriding purpose is the first one: in the words of Harris, "to demolish the intellectual and moral pretensions of Christianity."

But all three books evince considerable disdain for Judaism, too. Dawkins calls it "a tribal cult of a single fiercely unpleasant God, morbidly obsessed with sexual restrictions, with the smell of charred flesh, with his own superiority over rival gods, and with the exclusiveness of his chosen desert tribe." And the God of the Old Testament, Dawkins calls a "psychotic delinquent."

And it is not as if they admire Islam; rather, they use Islam as a weapon for bashing Christianity and Judaism. Harris says to Christians, "Nonbelievers like myself stand beside you, dumbstruck by the Muslim hordes who chant death to whole nations of the living. But we stand dumbstruck by you as well--by your denial of tangible reality, by the suffering you create in service to your religious myths, and by your attachment to an imaginary God." In truth, then, the main intention of all three authors is to praise the superiority of atheism, at least the rational atheism of professors such as themselves.

They are almost as literal in their readings of the Bible as the least educated, most literal-minded fundamentalist in Flannery O'Connor's rural Georgia. . . . The Bible almost never pretends to be science, or strictly literal history.

In fact, there is much in atheism to praise. With the evidence of the admirable moral code laid out in Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics in his hands, St. Thomas Aquinas wrote that in order to be good, in at least one important sense, it is not necessary to share in Biblical faith. Aristotle showed a path toward human flourishing, both for an entire polity and for noble individuals. (To be "good" in another important sense, "being born again" or "saved," requires a bit more than Aristotle could provide, or even imagine.) Besides, atheists--or, at least, non-Biblical pagans--were able to build such magnificent buildings as the Parthenon, the pyramids of Egypt, the palaces of Babylon; and to produce great literature, and the beginnings of several key sciences in varied fields such as astronomy, arithmetic, medicine, and agriculture. Finally, atheists--or, at least, non-believers--have always been a spur to Biblical self-understanding, by raising questions, doubting, throwing down insulting or even respectful intellectual challenges. It was from the pagan intellectual class that many of the early Fathers of the Church (Origen, Clement of Alexandria, St. Augustine himself) came to Biblical faith, and they usually remained in close dialogue with their unbelieving peers, much to the benefit of their own understanding of their faith.

Shall I add that my own early work was centered upon the dialogue between believers and unbelievers, the intellectual horizon of the Absurd (as Camus, Sartre, and so many others called it) and that of Biblical faith--in such books as Belief and Unbelief and The Experience of Nothingness, for instance. For that reason, I really wanted to like these new books on atheism. I have learned a lot about atheists and believers from Jurgen Habermas, possibly the best-known atheist in Europe. Habermas writes of believers with respect and as equal partners in an important dialogue. A respectful regard for mutual dignity is, Habermas holds, essential to the practice of rationality among human beings. Recently, I had the honor of a long series of exchanges with a very smart American atheist, Heather Mac Donald, and these were a pleasure to conduct, with mutual regard, patience, and candor on both sides.

Alas, it is extremely difficult to engage on the same level with Harris, Dennett, and Dawkins. All of them think that religion is so great a menace that they do not have much disposition for dialogue. The battle flags they put into the wind are Voltaire's Ecrasez l'infame! Meanwhile, all three pretend that atheists "question everything" and "submit to relentless, almost tedious, self-criticism." Yet in these books there is not a shred of evidence that their authors have ever had any doubts whatever about the rightness of their own atheism. Self-questioning about their own scholarly indifference to their subject; about the horrific brutalities committed in the name of "scientific atheism" during the 20th century; about the restless and mercurial dissatisfactions in atheist and secular movements during the past hundred years; and about the demographic weaknesses thereof--all such questions are notable by their absence. Moreover, although an atheist zeitgeist dominates university campuses in America, it has not proved persuasive to huge numbers of students, who hold their noses and put up with it. Why does atheism persuade so few? Our authors never ask.

I particularly wanted to like the book by Richard Dawkins. I had heard that his is a well-furnished and well-rounded mind, and that he writes with the music and wit of an elegant literary stylist. His fans present him as the very model of a reasonable man. Dawkins, too, expressly presents himself and other atheists as "Brights," distinguished by their "healthy" and "vigorous" minds. Poor believers--he openly complains--are by contrast with him trapped in delusion, unquestioning, mentally dead. He makes not a gesture of seeking to learn from them.

Actually, Dawkins's public record is worse than that. He led a two-part show on religion for British television, called The Root of All Evil? While writing now that he disagrees with the title the producers gave it, he freely appeared under it. This is what he asks of religious people: "Imagine, with John Lennon, a world with no religion." Wouldn't most of the violence and distortion introduced into human life disappear? Now it would be rather original of Dawkins to make such a point, except that in Britain this view is quite conventional. Propagated by pop star and scientist alike, it is according to a recent poll shared by 70 percent of the British population.

Throughout the West, it appears that neither scientist nor pop star takes time to consider contemporary religious experience in the light of some of its most sophisticated and heroic practitioners. For instance, never before our own time have so many millions of persons of Biblical faith been thrown into concentration camps, tortured, and murdered, as they have been under recent self-described atheist regimes. It would have been wonderful if any of our three authors had measured their vision of religion against the hard-won Biblical faith of the originally atheist scientist Anatoly Sharansky, who served nine years in the Soviet Gulag simply for vindicating the rights of Soviet citizens who were Jews. Sharansky has written the record of his suffering in a brilliant autobiography, Fear No Evil. I think I have never read of a braver moral man, determined to live as a free man, courageously showing nothing but moral contempt for the morals of KGB officials, under whose total power he had to live. Sharansky went on courageously day by dreary day, deprived of sufficient food, deprived of sight of the sky and sun. He was punished in innumerable ways under a kind of Skinnerian conditioning designed to "correct" his behavior, and this regimen went on year after year, attempting to wear down his resistance, to hold out for him trivial blandishments, tormenting his soul by isolating him and depriving him of human support.

Ironically, however, his prison experiences led Sharansky to dimensions of reason that far exceeded anything he had encountered in his earlier scientific practice. To survive, he needed to open himself to learning far more than science had taught him. He was asked to sign his name to certain untruths: "Who will ever know? What difference will it make? It is such a small thing, and it will make things go much better for you and for us, it will be for the common good." One of Sharansky's colleagues, a noble soul, nonetheless deceived himself into thinking that it would be better to lie about a few small things, if in turn he were earlier freed to carry the message of human rights outside the camps. Sharansky watched other men try to keep their spirits up by hope--hoping for better treatment, hoping for earlier liberation, and then suddenly so weakened by false hopes that they could no longer resist complicity. Sharansky found that he needed a source of discernment deeper than any he had previously known.

In those days, the love of his beloved and brave wife, and friends and other dissidents, came to his cell in rarely received letters or messages. But such messages could also have weakened and betrayed him. In his torments of soul, he found enormous companionship with King David of many centuries earlier, when a Hebrew edition of the Psalms was allowed to fall into his hands. The realism of David went right to his heart, and heavily bolstered his defenses. He learned the strength to be found in community--his community--in partaking of traditional rituals, drawing sustenance from the earlier sufferings, strivings, and wisdom of his ancestors. Unwittingly, one cellmate (who might have been working with the KGB) gave Sharansky another lesson in "the interconnection of souls." One of Sharansky's greatest scientific heroes had long been Galileo. In telling Sharansky of how other prisoners had made "life easier for everybody" simply by signing "harmless" papers that no one outside would ever see, his cellmate mentioned how even Galileo had been persuaded to sign certain statements about his own errors, just to put the whole mess behind him. Like a thunderbolt, these words of his cellmate flooded Sharansky's mind with vivid awareness of the interconnectedness of all souls in history--those who remain faithful to the truth, and those who betray it. Galileo's betrayal four hundred years earlier was now being used to seduce Sharansky, just as every spiritual surrender of another individual in the Gulag was used to pound home to him that long-term resistance was useless. In that lightning flash, Sharansky saw the power of inner truthfulness down the ages, that sort of electronic belt of fidelity that ties all regions and all times together, in however many hearts remain faithful to the truth. Sharansky wanted to be reborn as a member of that community, and he changed his name to Natan, signifying the Biblical community with which he wanted to be identified through all time.

Sharansky became, even in the Gulag, more and more an observant Jew, in one comic scene forcing even his camp supervisor to participate--just the two of them--in a lighting of the menorah. Sharansky writes very little directly about God, but it is certain beyond a doubt that he came to see something profoundly deficient in his earlier scientific habits of mind. These were noble as far as they go, and he has never renounced them, but in his extreme circumstances they proved too limited. He came also to be ashamed of his earlier agnosticism and cavalier attitude toward "organized religion." The community that had preserved the Psalms of King David down so many centuries offered him companionship of soul, and recharged his will to resist, at a crucial point in his long imprisonment.

It was, then, a huge disappointment to me to find that Dennett, Harris, and especially Dawkins paid no attention to the actual conversion experiences and narratives of fidelity, which are so common in the prison literature of our time. Moreover, none of them ever put their weak, confused, and unplumbed ideas about God under scrutiny. Their natural habit of mind is anthropomorphic. They tend to think of God as if He were a human being, bound to human limitations. They are almost as literal in their readings of the Bible as the least educated, most literal-minded fundamentalist in Flannery O'Connor's rural Georgia. They regale themselves with finding contradictions and impossibilities in these literal readings of theirs, but the full force of their ridicule depends on misreading the literary form of the Biblical passages at stake, whether they be allegorical, metaphorical, poetic, or resonant with many meanings, for the nourishment of a soul under stress. The Bible almost never pretends to be science, or strictly literal history.

Our three authors pride themselves on how science advances in understanding over time, and also on how moral thinking becomes in some ways deeper and more demanding. They do not give any attention to the ways in which religious understanding also grows, develops, and evolves. They seem utterly ignorant of John Henry Newman's brilliant little Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine. It hardly dawns upon them that the Biblical faiths have been, from the very beginning, in constant--and mutually enriching--dialogue with skeptical and secular intelligence. One can see progress in religious understanding from one part of the Biblical era to another, and the authors of Scripture themselves call attention to it.

Our three authors, it does seem, are a bit blinded by their own repugnance toward religion. Even his good friends, Dawkins writes, ask him why he is driven to be so "hostile" to religious people. Why not, they say, as intelligent as you are, quietly lay out your devastating arguments against believers, in a calm and unruffled manner? Dawkins's answer to his friends is forthright: "I am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. . . . Fundamentalist religion is hell-bent on ruining the scientific education of countless thousands of innocent, well-meaning, eager young minds. Non-fundamentalist, 'sensible' religion may not be doing that. But it is making the world safe for fundamentalism by teaching children, from their earliest years, that unquestioning faith is a virtue." Dawkins refuses to be part of the public "conspiracy" to pay religion respect, when it deserves contempt.

Yet his complaint about "unquestioning" faith seems a bit odd. Some of us have thought that the origin of religion lies in the unlimited drive in human beings to ask questions--which is our primary experience of the infinite. Anything finite that we encounter can be questioned, and seems ultimately unsatisfying. That is the experience that keeps driving the mind and soul on and on, and is its first foretaste of that which is beyond time and space. "Our hearts are restless, Lord," St. Augustine recorded, with much resonance in millions upon millions of inquiring minds down through human history ever since. "Unquestioning faith"? The writings of the medieval thinkers record question after question, disputation after disputation, and real results in history hinged upon the resolution of each. Many of the questions arose from skeptical, unbelieving lawyers, philosophers, and others in the medieval universities; others from the Arab scholars whose works had recently burst upon the Western universities; still others from Maimonides and other Jewish scholars; and a great many from the greatest pagan thinkers of every preceding century. Questions have been the heart and soul of Judaism and Christianity for millennia.

To be sure, Dawkins at least does think there are some religious people who can be converted to atheism by his arguments. He describes them as the "open-minded people whose childhood indoctrination was not too insidious, or for other reasons didn't 'take,' or whose native intelligence is strong enough to overcome it." Dawkins presents such believers with an ultimatum: either join him in "breaking free from the vice of religion altogether" or remain amongst the close-minded types who are unable to overcome "the god delusion."

On the fifth page of his book, Dawkins describes his hopes: "If this book works as I intend, religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it down." It surprised me that Dawkins would turn out to be such a proselytizer. Most of all what surprised me is that, while all three authors write as if science is the be-all and end-all of rational discourse, these three books of theirs are by no means scientific. On the contrary, they are examples of dialectic--arguments from within one point of view, or horizon, addressed to human beings who share a different point of view. Surely, one of the noblest works of reason is to enter into respectful argument with others, whose vision of reality is dramatically different from one's own, in order that both parties may learn from this exchange, and come to a deeper mutual respect. Our authors engage in dialectic, not science, but they can scarcely be said to do so with respect for those they address. Thus, Dawkins: "Of course, dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to argument, their resistance built up over years of childhood indoctrination. . . . Among the more effective immunological devices is a dire warning to avoid even opening a book like this, which is surely a work of Satan." Here, of course, Dawkins flatters himself. Screwtape would have been far more insidious.

What most surprised me in the Dawkins book, however, is its defensiveness. He describes atheists, particularly in America, as suffering from loneliness, public disrespect, spiritual isolation, and low self-esteem. In one passage he recounts a letter from a young American medical student recently turning from Christianity to atheism. A medical student? Surely many of the doctors and scientists nearby are atheists. Nonetheless, the student writes: "I don't particularly want to share my belief with other people who are close to me because I fear the . . . reaction of distaste. . . . I only write to you because I hoped you'd sympathize and share in my frustration." In an appendix, which Dawkins kindly adds for such unsupported souls, he offers lists of organizations in which lonely atheists may find community and solace. He devotes not a few pages to boosting his community's morale--how large their numbers are, how smart they are, how comparatively disgusting their antagonists are.

Building a Culture of Reason

I have no doubt that Christians have committed many evils, and written some disgraceful pages in human history. Yet on a fair ledger of what Judaism and Christianity added to pagan Greece, Rome, the Arab nations (before Muhammad), the German, Frankish, and Celtic tribes, the Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons, one is puzzled not to find Dawkins giving thanks for many innovations: hospitals, orphanages, cathedral schools in early centuries, universities not much later, some of the most beautiful works of art--in music, architecture, painting, and poetry--in the human patrimony.

And why does he overlook the hard work on concepts such as "person," "community," "civitas," "consent," "tyranny," and "limited government" ("Give to Caesar what is Caesar's . . .") that made possible such great documents as the Magna Carta? His few pages on the founding and nourishing of his own beloved Oxford by its early Catholic patrons are mockingly ungrateful. And if Oxford disappoints him, has he no gratitude for the building of virtually every other old and famous university of Europe (and the Americas)?

Dawkins writes nothing about the great religious communities founded for the express purpose of building schools for the free education of the poor. Nothing about the thousands of monastic lives dedicated to the delicate and exhausting labor of copying by hand the great manuscripts of the past--often with the lavish love manifested in illuminations--during long centuries in which there were no printing presses. Nothing about the founding of the Vatican Library and its importance for the genesis of nearly a dozen modern sciences. Nothing about the learned priests and faithful who have made so many crucial discoveries in science, medicine, and technology. Yet on these matters a word or two of praise from Dawkins might have made his tiresome lists of accusations seem less unfair.

I don't wish to overdo it. There have been and are toxic elements in religion that always need restraint by the Logos to which Christianity from the very first married the Biblical tradition: "In the beginning was the Logos . . ." (John 1:1). Still, any fair measuring of the impact of Judaism and Christianity on world history has an awful lot of positives to add to the ledger. Among my favorite texts for many years, in fact, are certain passages of Alfred North Whitehead--in Science and the Modern World and Adventures of Ideas, for instance. In these passages, Whitehead points out that the practices of modern science are inconceivable apart from thousands of years of tutelage under the Jewish and Christian conviction that the Creator of all things understood all things, in their general laws and in their particular, contingent dispositions. This conviction, Whitehead writes, made long, disciplined efforts to apply reason to the sustained Herculean task of understanding all things seem reasonable. If all things are intelligible to their Creator, they ought to be intelligible to those made in His image, who in imitation of Him press onward in the human vocation to try to understand all that He has made.

In addition, Judaism and Christianity have inculcated in entire cultures specific intellectual and moral habits, synthesizing them with the teachings of ancient classical traditions, without which the development of modern sciences would lack the requisite moral disciplines--honesty, hard work, perseverance in the face of difficulties, a respect for serendipity and sudden insight, a determination to test any hypotheses asserted. What would modern science be without belief in the intelligibility of all things, even contingent, unique, and unrepeatable events, and without culture-wide habits of honesty, intellectual rigor, and persevering inquiry? Whitehead pointed to this marvelous indebtedness many times, much more generously than Dawkins. In Science and the Modern World (1925), he wrote: "My explanation is that the faith in the possibility of science, generated antecedently to the development of modern scientific theory, is an unconscious derivation from medieval theology."

The path of modern science was made straight and smooth by deep convictions that every stray element in the world of human experience--from the number of hairs on one's head to the lonely lily in the meadow--is thoroughly known to its Creator and, therefore, lies within a field of intelligibility, mutual connection, and multiple logics. All these odd and angular levels of reality, given arduous, disciplined, and cooperative effort, are in principle penetrable by the human mind. If human beings are made in the image of the Creator, as the first chapters of the Book of Genesis insist that they are, surely it is in their capacities to question, to gain insight, and to advance in understanding of the works of God. In the great image portrayed by Michelangelo on the Sistine ceiling--the touch from finger to finger between the Creator and Adam--the mauve cloud behind the Creator's head is painted in the shape of the human brain. Imago Dei, yes indeed.

Had Professor Dawkins made even a semi-serious pretense of fairness, I would have thought much more carefully about his criticisms of Christian peoples. Yet some of his criticisms of particular Christian deeds and ways of thinking have real bite. Christianity did not come to remove from human beings all capacity to sin, and simply being Christian gives no exemption from awful human sinfulness, of which in history there are sickening examples. Sin, unreason, betrayal--to Jews and Christians nothing human is alien.

I wish I could write that Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris are more open and respectful than Dawkins; but their books, too, were disappointments. The letter that Harris claims is intended for a Christian nation is in fact wholly uninterested in Christianity on any level, is hugely ignorant, and essentially represents his own love letter to himself, on account of his being superior to the stupid citizens among whom he lives. Dennett's concept of reason and science is so narrow that he seems trapped in something like early-period A. J. Ayer. Let us hope that some brave and caring soul can one day lead him by the hand, out of his sheltered cave. His main thesis, that religion is a "natural phenomenon," was already hoary by the time St. Augustine was discerning what novelties Christianity introduced to classical Roman religion. But, of course, Dennett's idea of "natural" is not large enough to comprehend even the heroic fidelity of Natan Sharansky, nor the timeless, liberating power of King David's poignant Psalms.

The letter that Harris claims is intended for a Christian nation is in fact wholly uninterested in Christianity on any level, is hugely ignorant, and essentially represents his own love letter to himself, on account of his being superior to the stupid citizens among whom he lives.

All this taken into account, it strikes me that the only way to proceed is to lay out, on one side, the way in which young questioning minds in American universities are repelled by the atheism that is the lingua franca of nearly all classrooms and academic discussions, and, on the other side, a very brief confession of what exactly that Christianity is that Dennett, Harris, and Dawkins find distasteful, evil, dangerous, and disgusting. Despite their disrespect, Christianity manages somehow to be highly attractive to approximately one-third of the population of the world (just over two billion persons), and is still today the fastest growing of all religions. It is important to explain that attraction before addressing their specific objections.

My Agno-Theistic Daughter and How She Got That Way

A few years back, our daughter revealed to us that she was "an agno-theist." (Every well-ordered Catholic family should have one.) When she went off to Duke, she thought she was an atheist. She certainly found plenty of atheism in the air there. Not that everybody was atheist; far from it. Only that the working assumption in practically all public discourse was that every serious person is an atheist. Thoughtful religious people kept quiet about their own beliefs.

Yet it didn't take my daughter long to see through the pretenses of atheism. In the first place, the fundamental doctrine seemed to be that everything that is, came to be through chance and natural selection. In other words, at bottom, everything is irrational, chancy, without purpose or ultimate intelligibility. What got to her most was the affectation of professors pretending that everything is ultimately absurd, while in more proximate matters putting all their trust in science, rationality, and mathematical calculation. She decided that atheists could not accept the implications of their own metaphysical commitments. While denying the principle of rationality "all the way down," they wished to cling to all the rationalities on the surface of things. My daughter found this unconvincing.

She decided that atheism cannot be true, because it is self-contradictory. Moreover, this self-contradiction is willful, and its latent purpose is pathetically transparent. Atheists want all the comforts of the rationality that emanates from rational theism, but without personal indebtedness to any Creator, Governor, Judge. That is why they allow themselves to be rationalists only part of the way down. The alternative makes them very nervous.

My daughter concluded that it was more reasonable to believe that there is a God, who made all things. But she couldn't figure out how this made any difference to her personally. Why did such a god care about her, or anything else? What practical difference did such a god make in the world? Besides, she wasn't at all sure how even to think of such a god, whether as image or as concept. About all these things she found herself agnostic. That's why she called herself an "agno-theist."

It seemed odd to my daughter that there can be so much reason in the world, while there is no reason for the world, even with its manifest irrationalities. (She herself painfully experienced many irrational tragedies among her so-promising, intelligent, gifted friends, prematurely struck down in their youth.) Our daughter is no Pollyanna. She has always been perceptive of the dark, irrational side of life. What surprises her is the degree of rationality in all things, not the presence of absurdities. What surprised her in her professors was the self-contradiction at the root of their lives.

The Real Christianity

In an inn in the little village of Bressanone (Brixen) in northern Italy, there is a fresco painted many centuries ago, whose main subject is an elephant, by a painter who had obviously never seen an elephant. Clearly, he was trying to represent on the wall what someone had tried to tell him about elephants. He painted a large, heavy horse, with unusually floppy ears, and a nose considerably longer than that of an average horse--but still a horse's long nose.

We used to smile at that fresco, and similarly the Christian reader will smile at the primitive fresco of Christianity painted by Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris. They miss the real thing by a country mile.

One does not experience the real thing simply by being born into a Christian home, either. It is far from sufficient to perform certain boring rituals, and to attend "Sunday school" with an inattentive and unquestioning mind. As Cardinal Newman laid out in some detail in his Grammar of Assent, a broad and shimmering gulf separates "notional" from "real" assent. For the latter, one has to think about one's faith, question it from all sides, study its dimensions, implications, and relations with other modes of knowing. One has to "make it one's own." One cannot just be "thrown" into it by birth and early instruction. Faith that is not nurtured under trial and severe questioning is a little like grass in thin soil, which is fresh in the morning, wilts in the afternoon, and dies before twilight. Our authors, it seems, want to rake up the most shallowly rooted grass.

Thus it seems useful--and necessary--to sketch out some of the facets of Christian faith to which our atheist threesome seems inattentive. Each Christian (and each Catholic) sees this differently, of course, but right off the bat I notice four questions on which Christian faith offers arresting reflections.

One: A Theology of the Absurd. Begin with the bloody cross of Calvary. On this gibbet dies the Son of God? The cross is the very symbol of contradiction, and the absurd. When Christians speak of the act of Creation, we do not think of a perfectionist artificer making Lladro dolls, but rather of God creating flesh and blood in all its angularity, deformations, imperfections, and concrete limitations. The world of His creation is riven through with absurdities and contradictions, species that die out, and the teeming, blooming, buzzing confusion of contingencies and chance. When He singles out a chosen people, He picks a small and difficult tribe in a poor, backward, and underdeveloped part of the world (immensely talented to be sure, but not prestigious, famous, powerful, or on the surface of things influential). His chosen ones are overrun by enemies again and again, and carted off into slavery and exile for long, long years. Then, when the Creator sends His Son to become flesh, the Son also roots His new community mainly among the poor, the uneducated, the humble, the forgotten.

But then, blasphemy is added to blasphemy, and this Son of God is condemned to death as a common criminal, and forced into the most disgraceful sort of death known to men of that time: public mockery, a scourging virtually unto death, and then put out to hang on a cross where the public can shout insults, until the vultures come to pick at his eyes.

This is not a Pollyanna, this Creator. But what He does do is assure those who suffer and who groan under the weight of the Absurd that, though at times they feel icy fear, they do not in the end need to be afraid. God is a good God, and has His own purposes, and it is no mistake to trust His kindness, ever. The Creator did not make us to face a reasonable world in a rational, calm, and dispassionate way--like a New York banker after a splendid lunch at his Club, sunk into his favorite soft chair in the Library, where a fragrant cigar is still permitted, as he comfortably reads his morning papers. Instead, there is war, exile, torture, injustice. Life is to be understood as a trial, and a time of suffering. A vale of tears. A valley of death. Even in the bosom of wealth, and luxury, and plenty, cancer and failure and radical loneliness strike; but even more often, simple boredom.

Not at all a land of happy talk, not at all the perfect world of Candide. Atheism is in the main for comfortable men, in a reasonable world. For those in agony and distress, Christianity has seemed to serve much better and for a longer time, not because it offers "consolation" but precisely because it does not. For Christians, the cross is inescapable, and one ought always to be prepared to take it up. I myself have watched three deeply religious people die without consolation, bereft, empty of feeling for God. To be empty of consolation, however, is not to be empty of faith. Faith is essentially a quiet act of love, even in misery: "Be it done to me according to thy will."

Like Stephen Jay Gould, our three authors think they are destroying the argument from design by showing how poorly designed are so many parts of human anatomy, how many species have perished since the beginning of time (something like 99 percent), how chancily and seemingly without reason so many steps in natural selection are taken. They want to show that if there is a Designer, he is an incompetent one; or, more exactly, that there is too much evidence of lack of design. What kind of maudlin artificer do they think God is? Our God is the God of the Absurd, of night, of suffering, and silent peace.

Two: The Burden of Sin. It took me some years, but I have come to understand that, just as some people have no ear for music, so others (as Friedrich Hayek put it) "have no ear for God." Still others say they have no "need" of God. They sense in themselves no round hole into which God fits. It seems to be, further, one of the blessings of atheism that it takes away any sense of Judgment, any sense that by one's actions one may be offending a Friend, any awareness of sin. "Sin" seems, indeed, to be a leftover from a bygone age. Beati voi! I want to cry out to atheists. Lucky you.

"At the heart of Christianity is the sinner," a very great Christian once said. Some are aware of doing things that we know we ought not to have done, and of not doing things that we know we ought to have done. We are aware of sinning against our own conscience--deliberately doing what we know to be wrong, whether from weakness or from a powerful desire that is still out of control. Afterwards, sometimes, we feel a remorse so keen that it hurts--and yet what has been done is done, and nothing we now do can take that fault away. And at times the fault is shamefully grave, at that.

It is to this common, virtually universal experience that Jesus, like John the Baptist before him, first addressed his auditors. "Be sorry! Do penance. Resolve not to sin again." (Even though the probabilities of sinning again are high, just as a man with a gimpy knee, though his knee has healed, knows that at any time it may again go out on him.)

Christianity is not about moral arrogance. It is about moral realism, and moral humility. Wherever you see self-righteous persons condemning others and unaware of their own sins, you are not in the presence of an alert Christian but of a priggish pretender. It was in fact a great revolution in human history when the Jewish and Christian God revealed Himself as one who sees directly into consciences, and is not misled merely by external acts. (Pagan philosophers in Greece or Rome might or might not have taken the gods seriously, but often had no qualms about showing pietas at religious rites by their physical presence, unconcerned about conscience.) The Biblical respect for conscience greatly dignified and honored inner acts of reflection, commitment, and choice. It turned a powerful beam of attention away from the external act to the inner act of conscience. It greatly honored truthfulness and simple humility. Eventually, the inner duty of conscience toward the Creator became the ground of religious liberty--no other power dare intervene in this primal duty to God, which is antecedent to civil society, state, family, and any other institution. (See Jefferson's "Statute of Religious Liberty," 1785.)

Three: The Bright Golden Thread of Human History. In the liberation of the Jews from the Seleucid Empire (celebrated at Hanukkah), from Egypt (celebrated at the Passover), and from Babylon (celebrated in the poetry of Israel's prophets), liberty is the main theme of the Jewish Testament. Every story in that Testament has at its axis the arena of the human will, and the decisions made there (whether hidden or external). Thus, for Biblical religion, liberty is the golden thread of human history. This conception of liberty is realized internally in the recesses of the soul and also institutionally in whole societies or polities.

No other world religions except Christianity and Judaism have put liberty of conscience so close to the center of religious life. For instance, Islam tends to think of God in terms of divine will, quite apart from nature or logic. Independent of reason, whatever Allah wills, occurs. Judaism and Christianity tend to think of God as Logos, light, source of all law and the intelligibility of all things. This difference in the fundamental conception of God alters, as well, the fundamental conception each religion has of the human being: understanding, or submission.

Four: The Point of the Cosmos Is Friendship. If it has ever occurred to you to ask, even if you are an atheist, why did God create this vast, silent, virtually infinite cosmos, you might find your best answer in the single word "friendship." According to the Scriptures, intelligently read, the Creator made man a little less than the angels, a little more complex than the other animals. He made human beings conscious enough, and reflective enough, that they might marvel at what He had wrought, and give Him thanks. Even more than that, He made human beings in order to offer to them, in their freedom, His friendship and companionship. If there is no liberty, there can be no friendship.

Friendship is not only the Biblical way of thinking about the relationship between God and man; it is also a good way to imagine the future for our nation and for the world that we should work towards. From this vision, Judaism and Christianity imparted to the world a way of measuring progress and decline. William Penn called his capital city "Philadelphia" and made freedom of religion its first principle. Even the atheists of the French Revolution named their fundamental principles "Liberty, Fraternity, Equality"--each of them a term that derives not from the Greeks or the Romans, but from Biblical religion. A worldwide civilization of mutual friendship is a powerful magnet, and a realistic measure. Friendship does not require uniformity. On the contrary, its fundamental demand is mutual respect, willing the good of the other as other. It births a desire to converse in a reasonable way about fundamental differences in viewpoint, hope, and a sense of practical responsibility.

Some Differences between Christianity and Atheism

I recognize that the Christian horizon sketched above in broad strokes may seem preposterous to such atheists as Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris. They may look in vain for empirical evidence, of the sort they are able to recognize as evidence, that this sketch of God and man can even in a minimal way be in touch with reality as they know it. On the other hand, it is not so difficult for a serious Christian to stand in the moccasins of an atheist, and to see the world as atheists see it. The four principles of the paradigm sketched above--friendship, liberty, the forgiveness of sin, the acceptance of absurdity--do not exclude the viewpoint of the atheist. In fact, one learns a great deal about each principle from the writings of atheists, including Sartre, Camus, Silone, Moravia, Dewey, Seneca, Aristotle, and thousands of others in between. It seems that Christianity is better able to account for, and to sympathize with, the contemporary atheist than the latter is able to sympathize with the Christian. If nothing else, the three books under review show how hard it is for the contemporary atheist (of the scientific school) to show much sympathy for a Christian way of seeing reality. Since just over two billion persons on our planet today are Christians--about one in every three persons on earth--the inability of the contemporary atheist to summon up fellow feeling for so many companions on the brief voyage of a single human life seems to be a severe human handicap.

Again, it is not difficult for the serious Christian to "put on" the viewpoint, methods, and disciplines of evolutionary biology. Thousands of religious graduate students do so each year. One simply has to limit one's attention and understanding to what that discipline counts as evidence and methodological rigor. One has to master its concepts and important axioms. One has to limit one's point of view, and the sorts of questions one asks (no use asking questions that go beyond the strict limits imposed by the discipline itself). If you can live within these limits, all the easier.

The art of doing so is not altogether different from learning to think as an ancient Greek, or for Catholics to learn how to look at things as a Baptist, a Lutheran, and a Presbyterian, or for the last named to stand provisionally in the moccasins of a Catholic. The odd way in which Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris understand human life is something the sensitive believer must necessarily learn along the way. I cannot imagine getting through graduate studies at Harvard, teaching at Stanford and other universities, without learning how to think, and speak, and work within the horizon, viewpoints, methods, and disciplines of the atheist.

Nor is this art solely the product of our modern pluralistic age. The young Thomas Aquinas, in his late twenties, was one of the first men in the West to have in his hands an authentic translation of several key books of Aristotle, whose original Greek versions had been lost for over a thousand years. As his extended line-by-line commentaries on some of these show, Aquinas mastered a viewpoint quite foreign to his own. Not many years after, he had to do the same in reading al-Farabi, Avicenna, Averroes, and other major Arab philosophers.

And so, when a Christian reader comes across Professor Dawkins's argument that God cannot exist, because all complex and more intelligent things come only at the end of the evolutionary process, not at the beginning, the Christian's first reflex may be to burst out laughing--but as an attentive student, he is also obliged to observe that, yes, from the viewpoint of evolutionary biology, that must in fact be so. The argument may not be intellectually or philosophically satisfying; when its practical implications are compared with those of the Christian viewpoint, evolutionary biology may not be attractive as a way of life. If one wants to be an evolutionary biologist, however, one must learn to confine oneself within the disciplines that that field imposes.

From a Roman Catholic point of view, at least, there is no difficulty in accepting all the findings of evolutionary biology, while not accepting evolutionary biology as more than an empirical science--that is to say, not as a philosophy of existence, a metaphysics, a full vision of human life. It is easier for Christianity to absorb many, many findings of the contemporary world--from science to technology, politics, economics, and art--than for those whose viewpoint is confined to the contemporary era to absorb Christianity. That is just one reason we may expect the latter to outlive the former.

It is obvious that Dawkins, at least, is quite aware of the conventional limitations of the scientific atheist's point of view. He writes that "a quasi-mystical response to nature and the universe is common among scientists and rationalists. It has no connection with supernatural belief." A few pages of his book, in almost every section, are given over to showing how an atheistic point of view can satisfy what have hitherto been taken to be religious longings. Atheism, too, he shows, has its consolations, its sources of inspiration, its awareness of beauty, its sense of wonder. For such satisfactions, there is no need to turn to religion. Dawkins does good work in restoring human subjectivity, emotion, longing, and an awed response to beauty to the life of scientific atheism. For Dawkins, scientific atheism is humanistic, a significant step forward from the sterile logical positivism of two or three generations ago.

. . . Or All Is Permitted

But atheism has a more severe limitation, one that shows itself in the actions of its proponents. One of my favorite parts of the Sam Harris book is his attempt to explain away the horrors of the self-declared atheist regimes in modern history: Fascist in Italy, Nazi in Germany, and Communist in the Soviet Union. Never in history have so many Christians been killed, tortured, driven to their deaths in forced marches, and imprisoned in concentration camps. An even higher proportion of Jews suffered more greatly under the same regimes, particularly the Nazi regime, than at any other time in history. The excuse Harris offers is quite lame. First he directs attention away from the declared character of the regime, toward the personalities of Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin: "While it is true that such men are sometimes enemies of organized religion, they are never especially rational. In fact, their public pronouncements are often delusional. . . . The problem with such tyrants is not that they reject the dogma of religion, but that they embrace other life-destroying myths."

In other words, delusional atheists are not really atheists. Would Harris accept a claim by Christians that Christian evildoers are not really Christian? The real problem is not that tyrants reject the "dogma" of religion, but that they splash around in the bloodshed permitted by the ultimate relativism of all things. And they are comforted by the "natural law" that they imbibe from old-fashioned Darwinism: that the strongest must survive, and the weak must perish.

Our authors may dismiss the argument that atheism is associated with relativism. Nonetheless, the most common argument against placing trust in atheists is Dostoevsky's: "If there is no God, everything is permitted." There will be no Judge of deeds and consciences; in the end, it is each man for himself. To be sure, some individual atheists "of a peculiar character" and academic distinction, brought up in habits inculcated by the religious cultures of the past, can go on for two or three generations living in ways hard to distinguish from those of unassuming Christians and Jews. These individuals continue to be honest, compassionate, committed to the equality of all, and firm believers in "progress" and "brotherhood," long after they repudiate the original religious justification for this particular list of virtues. But sooner or later a generation may come along that takes the metaphysics of atheism with deadly seriousness. This was the fate of a highly cultivated nation in the Europe of our time.

Let us recall George Washington's Farewell Address:

Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

If morality were left to reason alone, common agreement would never be reached, since philosophers vehemently--and endlessly--disagree, and large majorities would waver without clear moral signals. Moreover, in times of stress distinguished intellectuals such as Heidegger and various precursors of postmodernism (notably deconstructionist Paul de Man) displayed a shameless adaptation to Nazi or Communist imperatives.

Dawkins attempts to get around this flaw in the neo-Darwinian view of chance and blind natural selection by counting out four reasons for altruism rooted in evolutionary biology:

First, there is the special case of genetic kinship. Second, there is reciprocation: the repayment of favours given, and the giving of favours in "anticipation" of payback. . . . Third, the Darwinian benefit of acquiring a reputation for generosity and kindness. And fourth, there is the particular additional benefit of conspicuous generosity as a way of buying authentic advertising.

To these reasons based upon nature's egotism, Jews and Christians would add three or four others. First, not to love one another is to disappoint the Creator who wishes us to be His friends. Second, it is a failure to imitate the Lord Jesus, who asked us to follow Him. Third, experience confirms that loving others is in tune with a communal dimension of our nature, beginning in the family, but radiating outward through the polity and the economy. (Adam Smith referred to this highest law as "sympathy.") Fourth, there is no doubt that every Christian command has a foundation in nature, but tends to stretch nature's outer limits. Christian faith does not reject, but builds upon nature, adds to it, brings it to a richer perfection.

Finally, our three authors fail to think carefully about what Jews and Christians actually have to say about God. Their own atheistic concept of God is a caricature, an ugly godhead which anybody might feel duty-bound to reject. Dawkins makes fun of an omniscient God who would also be free. If an omniscient God knows now what future actions He will take, how will that leave room for Him to change His mind--and how does that leave Him omnipotent? Isn't He caught in a kind of vise? But, of course, this is to imagine God living in time as Dawkins lives in time. It is to fail to grasp the difference between a viewpoint from eternity, outside time, and a viewpoint from within time. It is also to fail to grasp the freedom that the Primary Cause, outside of time (simultaneous to every moment of it), may allow within time crucial roles to secondary causes, to contingencies, and to particulars.

God's will is not before human decisions are made. Rather, it is simultaneous with them, and thus empowers their being made. When Catholics celebrate the sacrifice of the Mass, for example, we imagine that our moment of participation in that Mass--as it is on every other day of our lives--is in God's eyes simultaneous with the bloody death of His Son on Calvary. In our eyes, it looks like a "re-enactment," but in God's eyes both moments are as one. No doubt, for some minds this is all too mystical, and its underlying philosophy a bit too sophisticated, especially to those of literal and purely empirical tastes. Our three authors, in any case, present a quite primitive idea of God. If the rest of us had such a view, we, too, would almost certainly be atheists.

The whole inner world of aware and self-questioning religious persons seems to be territory unexplored by our authors. All around them are millions who spend many moments each day (and hours each week) in communion with God. Yet of the silent and inward parts of these lives--and why these inner silences ring to those who share them so true, and seem more grounded in reality than anything else in life--our writers seem unaware. Surely, if our atheist friends were to reconsider their methods, and deepen their understanding of such terms as "experience" and "the empirical," they might come closer to walking for a tentative while in the moccasins of so many of their more religious companions in life, who find theism more intellectually satisfying--less self-contradictory, less alienating from their own nature--than atheism.

The only way human beings can come to understand each other is by learning, out of mutual respect, how to stand in each other's shoes. If that maxim of Habermas is true, we might wish our three authors had done more, from their side, to close the great divide between belief and unbelief in the human spirit of our time. Still, we can be grateful that our authors have opened a window into the souls of atheists, so that the rest of us might better understand what the world looks like from their point of view--and even to see ourselves for a while as they see us.

Michael Novak is the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion, Philosophy, and Public Policy at AEI.

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1. Comment #26293 by poppythinks on March 18, 2007 at 1:59 pm

 avatarnot surprising there were no comments on this article. i just couldn't be bothered after a
couple of paragraphs.....all these 'religious professionals' must be wondering how long they're
going to be in work.
what really gets me is the way they pretend they want to 'like' dawkins and co before they slag off
every word. oh well, there's a lovely article by ac grayling and his book to look forward to, so
i'm still having a great year......

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2. Comment #26294 by mmurray on March 18, 2007 at 2:09 pm

 avatarI agree. So much intellectual effort must have been wasted over the years trying to understand what doesn't exist.

I am in the middle of reading `Infidel' and I think "The only way human beings can come to understand each other is by learning, out of mutual respect, how to stand in each other's shoes." is a mistake.

"The only way human beings can come to understand each other is by learning how to stand in each other's shoes." is enough -- there are things I cannot respect.

Michael

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3. Comment #26297 by Carl S. Richardson on March 18, 2007 at 2:14 pm

A quick glance over and it just seemed like the same old nonsense.

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4. Comment #26298 by Bremas on March 18, 2007 at 2:16 pm

"They are almost as literal in their readings of the Bible as the least educated, most literal-minded fundamentalist in Flannery O'Connor's rural Georgia"

No, my fear is that you also read it as literally as those uneducated masses you refer to. I give you:

"Then, when the Creator sends His Son to become flesh, the Son also roots His new community mainly among the poor, the uneducated, the humble, the forgotten."

You mean some dude who might have lived 4billion years after life began might have been the son of god because he said so. I'm sorry, I thought you were refering to something uneducated. I apologize.

I bet this guy buys the virgin birth also. And it probably builds from there.

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5. Comment #26299 by BaronOchs on March 18, 2007 at 2:30 pm

 avatarMichael Novak is the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion, Philosophy, and Public Policy at AEI.

Pantore?

Also I'm about 2/3 the way through this monster and I will post my breakdown of it for anyone who's interested once I've finished it.

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6. Comment #26300 by chauvinj on March 18, 2007 at 2:31 pm

That was exhausting to read to say the least. Why should we ever suppose anything supernatural exists if there is no evidence for it? Perhaps the people who criticize Dawkins et al. for lack of displaying decent religious arguments or for not seriously considering religiosity should give them an argument worthwhile to consider. As far as I'm concerned Theology is a lost art and anything said in religions favour, contends with meaningless verbiage masquerading as an explanation.

These critics are begining to be redundant...

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7. Comment #26301 by The author on March 18, 2007 at 2:51 pm

 avatarA fascinating article. It really is fascinating that someone was able to read three of the best atheist books, as well as quite a lot of philosophy (as he at least pretends), and still does not understand anything at all.

the acceptance of absurdity--do not exclude the viewpoint of the atheist. In fact, one learns a great deal about each principle from the writings of atheists, including Sartre, Camus

Camus!? THE enemy of absurdity is supposed to have embraced it!?

Nonetheless, the most common argument against placing trust in atheists is Dostoevsky's: "If there is no God, everything is permitted."

Everything good in human nature is rooted in christianity? Were there really no good people before they made up this religion?

The way Novak is relating atheism to fascism is just incredibly fundamentalist propaganda, covered up by pseudo-philosophical nonsense. And this guy actually says that atheists cannot respect religious people, only the other way around! Is this supposed to be respect!?

At least he managed to take away my final doubts that I do not really understand christianity. I am even more against it, now that I see that moderates are sometimes only fundamentalists on the waiting.

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8. Comment #26302 by BaronOchs on March 18, 2007 at 3:11 pm

 avatarI liked his little story about Anatoly Sharansky. What came across to me however was Sharansky's moral vigour and his ability to survive in the gulag situation. Unfortunately for Novak this doesn't illustrate an inadequacy of Science. The fact that Science is probably the best means we have of gaining knowledge about our world does not mean it will necessarily provide a means of mental survival in subhuman conditions. So Sharansky kept himself going through some ancient texts (the psalms) which focus very much on suffering, and through some time-tested jewish rituals like lighting the Menora. That's all very well, but what of all that is at all inconsistent with God's non-existence? My conviction religion is a human creation is untouched. Besides, plenty of people have survived terrible conditions without religious faith. There are people who lost faith through these experiences and plenty who failed to believe before during and after such ordeals. Nice story but not an argument I'm
afraid.

Next:

The claim Dawkins' et al are too wooden in their reading of the bible is not going to let the bible off their criticisms. Novak doesn't even address the attrocious view of God prevalent throughout the Old Testament. I wonder why not?

Their natural habit of mind is anthropomorphic. They tend to think of God as if He were a human being, bound to human limitations.


Novak nevertheless knows that God is a Him which is a fairly specific anthropomorphic attribute. Is the ubertranscendent god Novak argues for the one who right now is being cudgeled to help so and so get better or to find someone somewhere a parking space? Does Novak address this? No.


His [Dennett's] main thesis, that religion is a "natural phenomenon," was already hoary by the time St. Augustine was discerning what novelties Christianity introduced to classical Roman religion.


Dennett is shamefully disposed of in a paragraph of ad hominem. Won't do Novak, Dennett's ideas are old hat? So you're saying Augustine came up with the theory of Natural Selection? Sadly Not. Novak offers not one single argument against Dennett's proposal we do proper scientific research to ascertain how religions emerge and develop. Merely ad hominem like I say.

Yet it didn't take my daughter long to see through the pretenses of atheism. In the first place, the fundamental doctrine seemed to be that everything that is, came to be through chance and natural selection. In other words, at bottom, everything is irrational, chancy, without purpose or ultimate intelligibility.


Now we see your true colours, why don't you just wheel your creationism out of the closet like your spiritual leader Cardinal Schonborn?

The Point of the Cosmos Is Friendship.


Friendship is good of course, but that is a ludicrous claim, for which you offer no evidence.

If morality were left to reason alone, common agreement would never be reached, since philosophers vehemently--and endlessly--disagree, and large majorities would waver without clear moral signals. Moreover, in times of stress distinguished intellectuals such as Heidegger and various precursors of postmodernism (notably deconstructionist Paul de Man) displayed a shameless adaptation to Nazi or Communist imperatives.


Countered by a simple fact, the most moral societies have been democracies, the least moral have been theocracies. As for Heidegger he inherited a strong anti-semitic strain from his catholic heritage which like Hitler he never renounced.

Another point he made was that the medieval assumption that the world is intelligible provided a confident ground for science to proceed. This isn't going to save god. On the contrary the very fact that this was a basis for Science's revealing a world without god is a contradiction he needs to deal with.

I couldn't make sense of his argument about faith prevailing on US Campuses. Of course we all know most american students attend daily mass, spurn alcohol and wouldn't dream of having pre-marital sex *cough cough*. Besides this is the old McGrath Twilight of Atheism line, "people are still buying it, so it must be credible!" No, I'm afraid.

Well that'll do for now. As he went on he started getting orgies off his sado-masochist catholic spirituality and it was too much for me to bear. His last paragraph sounded like someone on cracking ice in the middle of a frozen lake telling a person on the bank "can't we move to a middle position"

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9. Comment #26303 by drive1 on March 18, 2007 at 3:18 pm

 avatarNovak shakes his head in wonderment at why there is a recent spate of atheistic books, and why D,D & H are so forthright and strident. Why oh why, he asks in effect, are they calling a spade a spade? Then, as with all these types of reviews, he answers his own question without realising it : "Christianity manages somehow to be highly attractive to approximately one-third of the population of the world (just over two billion persons), and is still today the fastest growing of all religions."

I ask "why oh why won't the penny drop?"

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10. Comment #26306 by DarwinsPitbull on March 18, 2007 at 3:43 pm

 avatarIt's funny that in one section, he makes the argument that since there are so many religious people, that it can't be all bad. Maybe someone should point out to him, that there were a lot of nazis during WW2, so I guess they can't be all wrong. There's also a lot of jihadist now, so they can't be all wrong either.

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11. Comment #26307 by HunterZolomon on March 18, 2007 at 3:50 pm

 avatarAnother feeble attempt at damage control. The more I read (very, very long) articles like this, the more I am convinced that Dawkins, Harris and Dennett are spot on with their books.

Concerning the ridiculous claim about Harris being hugely ignorant, writing love letters to himself to satisfy his own ego. It has become predictable indeed that fundie critics resort to the sin-of-pride strategy when attacking men whose brilliance is difficult to deny.

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12. Comment #26308 by jhat06 on March 18, 2007 at 3:54 pm

If there is no God, everything is permitted.



History has shown that with God anything, no matter how atrocious, can be justified.

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13. Comment #26309 by Macho Nachos on March 18, 2007 at 3:57 pm

 avatarI read up to here:

"about the horrific brutalities committed in the name of "scientific atheism" during the 20th century;"

Please tell me about ONE horrific brutality that was commited IN THE NAME OF "scientific atheism". Has anyone ever killed someone "in the name of the absence of god" or "for the pursuit of rational, evidence based truth".

I wish people like this wouldn't waste oxygen breathing.

On a less negative note, what are the tags needed to quote a passage in these comments?

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14. Comment #26310 by 601 on March 18, 2007 at 4:00 pm

 avatarDelusional, insincere, and boring.

Theists cannot even hypothetically consider the non-existence of their favourite imaginary friend, their mortal fear of being without a benevolent shepherd prevents it.
"To understand your adversary, you should walk a mile in her shoes. Now you are a mile ahead and he is barefoot."


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15. Comment #26311 by Seti on March 18, 2007 at 4:09 pm

 avatarA very long winded way of saying nothing at all.

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16. Comment #26313 by mmurray on March 18, 2007 at 4:20 pm

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On a less negative note, what are the tags needed to quote a passage in these comments?


Click on the link [Comment Posting Guidelines]
:-)

Michael

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17. Comment #26314 by TranshumanAtheist on March 18, 2007 at 4:27 pm

For instance, never before our own time have so many millions of persons of Biblical faith been thrown into concentration camps, tortured, and murdered, as they have been under recent self-described atheist regimes.


Many of today's Muslims feel similarly besieged by the Bush Administration, but Novak doesn't give a crap about them because they have the "wrong" beliefs about god. If a foreign occupying army defiled, shot up and bombed churches in the U.S. while murdering or imprisoning untold numbers of christians, Novak would think that the "end times" had arrived. Yet the U.S. occupation force in Iraq has done something similar to that country's Islamic population.

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18. Comment #26315 by mmurray on March 18, 2007 at 4:27 pm

 avatarThose of you who enjoyed that :-( can find more at

http://www.michaelnovak.net/

Apologies to those who have heard of him before -- I hadn't. I hadn't heard either of the AEI although with a name like that it doesn't suprise me to find that its purposes are

to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism.


Michael

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19. Comment #26319 by GoodbyeGodNZ on March 18, 2007 at 4:50 pm

 avatarYes, just more deluded theodrivel!!!!! He can't get past the point that he's got nothing to defend.

As the Dyslexic Atheist keeps pointing out, "There is no Dog !!!"

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20. Comment #26322 by kkant on March 18, 2007 at 4:59 pm

Hmm. AEI. Where's Pantore? ;) One line from him, and all this tedious rubbish from Michael Novak can be put in the bin.

Actually, let's just toss it in the bin regardless. What a waste of pixels. Yet another idiot who wishfully thinks Hitler and Stalin represented rationality; when in fact they were both exactly the opposite. What really sucks is that there are probably a whole lot of people who will read this article and believe it.

Like a lot of theists, Novak just ignores the arguments that he doesn't like or that he can't deal with. Like the fact that Sweden and many other countries are very healthy societies, while also being predominantly atheist.

Novak has also written that the US is founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and that Thomas Jefferson was a supporter of Christianity. Someone find me the "no graven images" section of US law.

Here's hoping to the day when we can finally put all these lies behind us.

BTW, nice post BaronOchs.

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21. Comment #26323 by PaulJ on March 18, 2007 at 5:00 pm

 avatarThis is a depressing review. Unable to counter the straightforward, easy-to-grasp arguments against the unsupportable tenets of religion, Novak resorts to the usual nonsense:

The religion that Dawkins et al are against is of course not the real religion, which is something profound and deep (and therefore incomprehensible and unjustifiable by any rational effort).

If Novak thinks that the majority of religious believers share his profound understanding of faith, he's probably mistaken. What percentage of professed Christians would make any sense at all of the several paragraphs that begin with the words, "One: A Theology of the Absurd..."?

After all the complex tying of logical knots, to the point where they are utterly incapable of unravelling, the basic points in the books he's reviewing remain unaddressed.

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22. Comment #26325 by alovrin on March 18, 2007 at 5:27 pm

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Christianity is not about moral arrogance. It is about moral realism, and moral humility. Wherever you see self-righteous persons condemning others and unaware of their own sins, you are not in the presence of an alert Christian but of a priggish pretender. It was in fact a great revolution in human history when the Jewish and Christian God revealed Himself as one who sees directly into consciences, and is not misled merely by external acts.


Tell that to George Bush & Co. And Tony Blair, while your about it. Isnt this "God Himself" the root of the god of islam?
Anyone who so unthinkingly assigns a gender to god is highly suspect.

This has Courtier's Reply written all over it.

The story of Sharansky, yeah well, I'd probably go mad after so long in the Gulag. I feel sorry for his daughter where did she get "chancey" from, her dorky dad who doesnt seem to know anything about laws of probability. It seems the professors at "Duke " arent familiar with it either according to this, but I'd like to hear their side of the story .
But get a load of his wifes? artwork. My advice sweetie, leave your husband & the church cause your work kinda sucks.

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23. Comment #26329 by lpetrich on March 18, 2007 at 5:33 pm

 avatarI read the whole thing -- it seemed to me like PZ Myers's "The Courtier's Reply":

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/12/the_courtiers_reply.php

And it was absolutely riddled with misconceptions and errors. Mussolini's Fascists and Hitler's Nazis were NOT atheists, and they were about as secular as most other political movements of the time. Hitler claimed to be following the will of "the Almighty Creator" and claimed that fighting the Jews was like "the Lord" Jesus Christ's Temple temper tantrum. The Church even got along fairly well with the Nazi regime, and the Pope never excommunicated Hitler and other Catholic Nazi leaders even when it was safe for them to do so.

And perhaps related to that, he mixes up evolutionary biology and might-makes-right "Social Darwinism", which is a mixup that Charles Darwin himself had clearly rejected. But he ought to be aware of the Social Darwinism of the more jingoistic of capitalism's defenders, given what sort of employer he has.

He talks admiringly of medieval monks, except that many ancient texts survived in only a few copies, and sometimes from the recycling of the parchment that they were written on. A mathematics book by Archimedes only survived because someone wanted its parchment for writing a hymnbook.

And he (1) accuses the trinity of RD, SH, and DD of believing in an excessively anthropomorphic conception of God and (2) brags about how we were created in God's likeness. He reminds me of:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2007/03/hypocrisy.jpg

Furthermore, much of the "growth" of Xianity that he brags about is that of the fundies that he dismisses as literal-minded and otherwise other than True Xians. Yes, disrespectful, Mary-denying, saint-denying, Communion-denying, Church-denying, Pope-denying, Sola Scriptura (Bible-only) heretics. And heretics who poach in traditionally Catholic territory like Latin America.

Then he tried to brag about how scientific and rationalistic his religion is, but then he turns around and comes very close to Credo quia absurdum (I believe because it's absurd). And he brags about what a bumbler his god must be, creating an absurdly imperfect creation. He dismisses evolutionary biology as nothing more than "empirical science", unwilling to ask why the god he believes in was so determined to make Itself look like an unnecessary hypothesis. That seems almost like dismissing heliocentrism as "empirical science", while maintaining that in some deep philosophical sense, the Sun moves around the Earth.

He talks glibly about freedom of conscience, yet his church has denied that for centuries, sometimes enforcing its denial with burnings at the stake. Talking about how persecuted Xians are -- does he have any better argument than self-pity?

My patience has run out here, and I congratulate BaronOchs for also taking the trouble to read it and comment on it in detail.

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24. Comment #26344 by BaronOchs on March 18, 2007 at 7:35 pm

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From a Roman Catholic point of view, at least, there is no difficulty in accepting all the findings of evolutionary biology, while not accepting evolutionary biology as more than an empirical science--that is to say, not as a philosophy of existence, a metaphysics, a full vision of human life.


Some on reading that might take issue with my calling Novak a closet creationist. He might not be a six-dayer but I'm not recanting, so let me sum up how I see Novak's position, outlined above:

"We've got our worldview already, solidly based on a bronze-age text and the diktats of that man in the white cloak with the funny hat. However Science insists we accept facts about the actual real world if we want to maintain a shred of intellectual credibility. So fine we will so long as this is twisted and contorted to whatever extent necessary to fit with our pre-existing beliefs"

There is no doubt the Catholic Church would be more openly creationist if it could get away with it. Equally the reluctant acceptance of science whilst attempting to completely castrate it's wider implications that Novak engages in gives cover for the more open creationists, which is precisely what he wants.

If you don't believe me please read Archbishop Schonborn's abominable NYTimes piece.

Evolution really explains facts about the natural world. For which reason it is a more appropriate starting point for wider philosophical conclusions about reality than pre-conceived religious ideas.

Novak is more upfront about morality,

To be sure, some individual atheists "of a peculiar character" and academic distinction, brought up in habits inculcated by the religious cultures of the past, can go on for two or three generations living in ways hard to distinguish from those of unassuming Christians and Jews. These individuals continue to be honest, compassionate, committed to the equality of all, and firm believers in "progress" and "brotherhood," long after they repudiate the original religious justification for this particular list of virtues.


In fact fair play to him for really nailing his colours to the mast. So what is moral according to Novak? wait for it: We should follow all the teachings of the Catholic Church(!) Not even a great deal of Nuns Priests and lay Catholics buy that one.

Atheism is in the main for comfortable men, in a reasonable world.


I suppose he thinks the trusty Rhythm'n'Blues contraception method is a practical proposition for women in economically deprived countries who are in significant risk of contracting aids?

He blames atheism for moral relativism. I only admit to the obvious fact moral relativism was all we ever had. Except in times and places particular groups of people have been able to represent their own particular beliefs as absolute, going so far as to claim themselves mouthpieces of the Holy Spirit or inspired by God in order to substantiate their claims.

Christianity sat allright for centuries with the oppresion of Women and Homosexuals and Jews and with Slavery. If Christianity is a good source of morality tell that to the masses of Jews slaughtered throughout the centuries of Christianity's ascendance. Or all the Women burnt as witches, or all the Cathars persecuted at Innocent III behest just because they subscribed to a different strain of the god delusion.

Novak can't escape the fact societies have become more not less civil as secularism has advanced and that is that.

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25. Comment #26345 by chrisrkline on March 18, 2007 at 7:49 pm

Harris and Dawkins argue that it is irrational to believe in things without good reason. Rather than look at that argument head on, theists like Novak become offended. In his mind he is not irrational. After all, he might say, he has extensively studied Aquinas, and has attended fine universities. He has read reams of deep theological musings on exactly why God hates amputees. He even knows why this is a sign of God's love. He can prove it in less than 20,000 words, with only 1000 in Latin.

But Novak has really two options. He can ignore atheistic arguments, or he can deal with the central question. Is it irrational to believe in things with no good reason? And is it fair for others to question this belief in the same way they question a person's belief in astrology? It is unfair to begin with the assumption that there is a God, and then reason from there. It is also unfair to force people to debate with one arm tied behind their backs in order to show respect for people's beliefs.

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26. Comment #26350 by Strewth_Mate on March 18, 2007 at 8:13 pm

Fancy someone who believes in an imaginary friend for grown ups with no scientific evidence to support his/her existence suggesting that Dawkins book's approach is unscientific.

I always thought scientific method involved the testing of hypotheses in an attempt to try to establish the truth by discarding the ones that don't work and continuing to test the ones that do work. I think Dawkins book does exactly that in assessing the irrationality of the God hypothesis.

I believe Dawkins makes a good case for the improbability of God. But this guy doesn't make any scientific argument to refute or test Dawkins' reasoning. Instead he rambles on about all sorts of irrelevant stuff including the conversion of the sane to the insane. Going insane and finding an imaginery friend is no doubt quite common for individuals subjected to long periods in inhuman prison conditions (I'm sure insanity manifests itself in other equally wierd ways under such conditions). What has Stalin got to do with the scientific evidence for the existence of God.

This whole idea that because Stalin was an athiest there must be some value in religion is just irrational tripe. It is equally stupid to sugggest that all christians are morally bankrupt because the head of the christian church back in the middle ages thought the crusades would be a good idea.

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27. Comment #26351 by Quine on March 18, 2007 at 8:20 pm

 avatarSo many words; so little meaning.

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28. Comment #26356 by BaronOchs on March 18, 2007 at 9:36 pm

 avatarJust as I post that someone on another thread points out the AEI of which Novak is a member support the teaching of creationism in schools. Which pretty much cements my claim he is a fig-leafed creationist.

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29. Comment #26357 by BaronOchs on March 18, 2007 at 9:39 pm

 avatarfig-leafed creationist. . .the irony wasn't apparent, well never mind.

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30. Comment #26358 by mandrellian on March 18, 2007 at 9:43 pm

^^^ Exactly, Quine...

To point out the obvious, Novak's trying to put out a bushfire with an empty bucket. A really, really big - but really empty - bucket.

I much prefer reading Andrew Sullivan's discussion with Sam Harris. Of course, he's out of his league against Mr Harris, but at least he's comparatively coherent (and a lot less long-winded) while presenting his utterly unconvincing arguments. Novak's lengthy rambling left me quite unimpressed and, to be frank, in need of a nap.

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31. Comment #26369 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on March 19, 2007 at 12:37 am

 avatarAs always, theists must write pages of obscure anecdote and convoluted apologetics to defend their position.

Ours is simply this. Take a look at the world. Does an omnipotent, omnibenevolent (if words are to convey particular meaning) God fit the facts?

Take a step back, how about there is no omnipotent, omnibenevolent God? Is that a better fit?

Have I advanced the case? Yes, I have logically excluded the omnipotent, omnibenevolent God.

Do I know where the universe came from or why we are here, or if there is some kind of powerful, yet undefined being peering over my shoulder? No, but neither do the theists.

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32. Comment #26371 by Gordon Brown on March 19, 2007 at 1:12 am

Sheezus, where to begin with this??!! I'm glad others such as BaronOchs have taken up the cudgels and rebutted this point-by-point, and so I'd like to make just a couple of general observations. Why is it that people like Alvin Plantinga, Paul Campos, and now Michael Novak have almost failed utterly to address the core arguments presented by Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris in their books? Why is it that they uniformly resort to ad hominem, or to some type or other of aesthetic refutation? Much as Plantinga decries the "unloveliness" of Dawkins' naturalism, Novak wants to mock atheists for purportedly wishing to live in a tidy, orderly world where reality doesn't bite. Worse still, Sam Harris is alleged to have "written a love letter to himself," and also to be "wholly uninterested in Christianity on any level." I would think that, had he really read Harris' book, Novak would find Harris to be sufficiently interested in Christianity to know that it elevates the blastocyst to a higher moral standard than befits the millions suffering from diseases for which advances in stem-cell research might afford a cure!

I could go on at length about Novak's fulminant and turgid contribution to this debate, but why bother? Fine-sounding phrases are the final stock-in-trade of those who have utterly run out of coherent arguments.

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33. Comment #26376 by Corylus on March 19, 2007 at 1:39 am

 avatarI read it all. (A bit like picking a scab really, you know it is going to end badly, but man you just can't help yourself!)

One thing made me smile, the argument that Christianity is the faster growing religion so it must be right. This was a bit rich from a catholic. Umm.. injunctions against contraception and abortion.. the words "cause" and "effect" spring to mind.

Comment by GoodbeGodNZ. Yep, the dyslexic atheist claims there is no dog, but that is not half as risky as the dyslexic devil worshiper who sold his soul to Santa ;-)

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34. Comment #26377 by lpetrich on March 19, 2007 at 2:02 am

 avatarTo expand on my comments about Robert Novak and evolution, it seems almost like he's reinventing the doctrine of the "double truth", taught by some of the followers of the medieval Arab philosopher Averroes (Ibn Rushd). This is the idea that there are two truths, one of reason (for them, Aristotelianism), and one of religion.

In this case, the double truth is what science has worked out (evolution, the Big Bang, etc.) and religion (Goddidit!).

Though I wonder how common this double-truth position is -- Francis Collins may hold some position like that.

And all his talk about rationality and questioning seems almost like "all things to all people", as in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23:
Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.


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35. Comment #26380 by Relignorance on March 19, 2007 at 3:01 am

The same old tired critique of atheist arguments:

'Religion has done so much for us culturally'
'We need religion for our morals'
'People gain succour and comfort from religion'

blah, blah...

This sort of article totally misses the point and does nothing to refute Dawkins', Dennett's and Harris' et al. supremely convincing argument about the total non-existence of a supernatual being.

And something else that bothers about the religious folk - which religion is the 'true' one? Surely it's not a great idea to consort with the other 'false gods', be you a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Sikh, it's quite a gamble to devote your entire life to the worship of a particular deity only to find out you were wrong in the end and face an eternity in the flame! I'd rather take my chances with atheism if you don't mind - at least I am being intellectually honest.

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36. Comment #26388 by Mango on March 19, 2007 at 4:38 am

 avatarI was surprised by how breezily he dismissed Dennett's book with a fillip. No, the notion that religion is a natural phenomenon is not new, but Dennett's specific interpretations are. And the very fact that so much is being written about the subject means it deserves attention, not dismissal. What a snake-like maneuver on Novak's part.

I was bemused by his daughter's feeble attempts at understanding the world. I hope you all were as well. She's seems like the kind of young woman you often overhear at a coffee shop waxing philosophical to her friends, "I mean, like, there's totally too much irrationality in the world for there not to be a rational Creator, right?"

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37. Comment #26394 by BaronOchs on March 19, 2007 at 5:09 am

 avatar33. Comment #26371 by Gordon Brown

Worse still, Sam Harris is alleged to have "written a love letter to himself,"


Ironic really since that is precisely what Novak does in this review.

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38. Comment #26396 by bitbutter on March 19, 2007 at 5:33 am

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"[Harris] While it is true that such men are sometimes enemies of organized religion, they are never especially rational. In fact, their public pronouncements are often delusional. . . . The problem with such tyrants is not that they reject the dogma of religion, but that they embrace other life-destroying myths."

In other words, delusional atheists are not really atheists.


This transparent strawman frustrated me too much to continue. Where has Harris ever claimed that there was no such thing as a delusional atheist?

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39. Comment #26399 by Myryama on March 19, 2007 at 5:47 am

I didn't read the whole text - it is most depressing.

My question for Christians is always "How do you decide which parts of the bible to accept as morally correct?". The answer, of course, is that they use their own judgement and they ALL do this, irrespective of what they say, because none of them stone their cheeky children or prevent their wives from wearing gold/expensive clothes or kill people who work on Sundays or hold slaves or....

The truth is that nobody could follow the instructions of the Bible, even the New Testament, without ending up in prison. It just doesn't happen.

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40. Comment #26403 by GBile on March 19, 2007 at 6:20 am

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Would Harris accept a claim by Christians that Christian evildoers are not really Christian

Suppose we accept that claim, how many 'Christians' will be left ?

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41. Comment #26406 by gibodean on March 19, 2007 at 6:37 am

I'll respond to one part of this article. Under "My Agno-Theistic Daughter and How She Got That Way",
Mr Novak says that atheism is "in other words, at bottom, everything is irrational, chancy, without purpose or ultimate intelligibility... professors pretending that everything is ultimately absurd, while in more proximate matters putting all their trust in science, rationality, and mathematical calculation. She decided that atheists could not accept the implications of their own metaphysical commitments. While denying the principle of rationality 'all the way down', they wished to cling to all the rationalities on the surface of things. My daughter found this unconvincing. She decided that atheism cannot be true, because it is self-contradictory".

So, it seems that at uni she found some professors that were claiming things were fundamentally absurd, and denied rationality on some levels. It doesn't say what she was studying at uni, but it sounds to me like it was some sort of philosophy, arty stuff. I'm an engineer, and so if there really are professors claiming that sort of mumbo jumbo at uni, I've never met them, but I'm sure they hang out with all the other hippies.

If I was subjected to that sort of view from my professors, while also being subjected to professors putting all their trust in science and rationality, I would have found it contradictory too.

Her problem is to believe that the mumbo jumbo and rationality she heard are both part of atheism, that therefore atheism is "self contradictory", and to therefore throw away atheism, including the rationality. No, just throw away the mumbo jumbo. Keep the rationality, and don't believe in God. That's Atheism.

A science teacher at my school taught me that electricity flows at an instantaneous speed. I later heard that nothing can go faster than the speed of light. They're both science, they're self-contradictory! Quick, I'll throw away science!! No, I'll do more research, work out that my science teacher is wrong, and keep science.

He goes on to say "What surprised her in her professors was the self-contradiction at the root of their lives." So she thinks it's therefore OK to believe that everything the professors think is wrong ! If I'd thought that about my science teacher, because he got one thing wrong, I'd be in a very different job right now.......

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42. Comment #26415 by poundemonium on March 19, 2007 at 6:56 am

Wait a minute, is it just me or is Novak wallowing in the very sort of contradictions and "chancy-"ness with which he seeks to indict atheists?

First, he writes disparagingly of atheism as supposedly advocating the following:
[...]at bottom, everything is irrational, chancy, without purpose or ultimate intelligibility.

However, we soon come across this gem:
The world of His creation is riven through with absurdities and contradictions, species that die out, and the teeming, blooming, buzzing confusion of contingencies and chance.

Ergo, how is this theistic world different from the a-theistic one (apart from the "existence" of a deity in the former, who/which in any case does not seem to mind the reigning chaos)? What saddens me is that this kind of convoluted, tortured discourse passes for genius among the believing flocks. I've witnessed in more than one occasion in my past life as a believer, a barely-literate lay preacher mocking evolution in the same way that Novak speaks of Christians being tempted to "burst out laughing." I read through the entire article with an increasing sense that this is a man who loathes reason and rationality (or at the very least, who mistakes absurd beliefs for the same), hence his tireless knack for holding forth suspension of disbelief as though it were a statement of truth-value.

My quest continues to find one reasonable refutation of Dawkins/Dennett/Harris. I just no longer hold my breath...

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43. Comment #26419 by Riley on March 19, 2007 at 7:25 am

 avatarSenior fellows and scholars at the AEI include outspoken anti-Darwinists (most notably Irving Kristol, Robert Bork, and Joe Manzari) who actively use the AEI to perpetuate the teach-the-controversy wedge strategy of "creation science" in American schools.

I've compiled some general information on the AEI for anyone interested in one-stop shopping.

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44. Comment #26421 by BaronOchs on March 19, 2007 at 7:41 am

 avatarThis book offers a critique of thinkers like Michael Novak but more specifically Richard Neuhaus who is also part of the AEI. I haven't read it though so I can't recommend it. Also I don't know where the author is coming from since he used to be an editor of first things with Neuhaus(!?) Has anyone here read it?

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45. Comment #26423 by kkant on March 19, 2007 at 8:17 am

Mango writes:
[[I was bemused by his daughter's feeble attempts at understanding the world. I hope you all were as well. She's seems like the kind of young woman you often overhear at a coffee shop waxing philosophical to her friends, "I mean, like, there's totally too much irrationality in the world for there not to be a rational Creator, right?"]]

Indeed. These theists seem to think it lends credence to their cause if they find someone who "tried" atheism and came back to theism. Fortunately for their purposes "tried" doesn't have to mean "thought about seriously". I have heard people actually lying about their past (claiming to be past atheists) in order to convert people to theism. When you're bringing people to God, it seems any kind of dishonesty is justifiable.

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46. Comment #26428 by poundemonium on March 19, 2007 at 9:11 am

kkant:

I would add further that some of these "ex-atheists" are in fact believers who simply come across a rough patch in life and "challenge" their deity to make itself known to them (with the feeble threat of disbelief if said deity fails to deliver). Invariably, of course, they interpret the faintest, remotest, most ambiguous and undefined "sign" as confirmation of their "doubting Thomas" stance, at which point they giddily revert to their unquestioning belief and attempt to convince others of the universal validity of their experience.

It's a little game that liberal Christians love to play with themselves. I like to call them the "15-minute atheists." Sadly, for most, those 15 minutes are all that they will ever experience of a mind stripped of the evil twins: hope and fear. The terrible beauty of reality (as Yeats might put it) is just too much for their fantasy-addled psyches.

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47. Comment #26430 by Logicel on March 19, 2007 at 9:31 am

 avatarLonely Atheists of the Global Village
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Very telling title in the choice of using lonely as a modifying adjective for atheists. Being able to connect to atheists all over the world via a global community does not sound lonely. The atheistic fighting back is definitely worrying the religious. The net is allowing young people, who would otherwise have no connecting with atheists, to connect with atheists via intelligent and reciprocal communication.

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48. Comment #26431 by The Spaghetti Monster on March 19, 2007 at 9:37 am

Ahhhh, the "brighty bright" argument of the "weak minded"…..

Listen, I'm not what you would call a "believer"…. In fact I would consider myself Amoral. I do know believers and often times I'm amazed at the discipline required for them to live by their faith….. So I don't know if you can attribute their "belief" to a "weak mind" so to speak…. I do question why believers torment themselves with these self-imposed disciplines…. but I must say, I know a few "non-believers" who also self-impose some "moral code of conduct"…. Hey, whatever floats your boat….. just don't try to tell me you are any less "delusional". I mean its one thing to make the statement that you're an atheist; quite another to dismantle the so called "emotional attachments" that so often hinder our quest for personal gratification.

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49. Comment #26433 by willerror on March 19, 2007 at 9:46 am

A well-written & thorough piece that just happens to be filled with cliche. There's the "religion is comforting" cliche, the "atheists are as bad as fundamentalists" cliche, the "atheists criticize the wrong kind of god" cliche, the "atheists don't understand theology" cliche, and the "religion is believed by many good people" cliche.

None of that stuff, not one drop of it, has anything to do with whether any of the claims made by religion are actually true. That is what no critic of atheism ever truly understands, no matter how well (or long-windedly) one writes.

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50. Comment #26448 by severalspeciesof on March 19, 2007 at 11:18 am

 avatarI got as far as Novak's one paragraph dismissal of Dennett's book, and decided that Novak probably hasn't really read these books, 'cept for the jacket covers and maybe a "Let's see…I'll open this book here…read and use a bit of that so as to look like I've really read it…, blah, blah ,blah"

I say this because I've only just begun reading Dennett's book and I just don't get the feeling that Dennett wants to rid the world of religion so much as to understand it better and use what works and jettison that which doesn't. I even seem to recall reading a letter from Dennett where he disagrees with Dawkin's apparent view that religion has done more harm than good, and claiming himself to be agnostic about it.

(Actually, to be fair, Novak probably did read all the stuff he claims to, but only by skimming through them quickly)

"What God Wants, God Gets, God help us all" …R. Waters

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