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Monday, March 19, 2007 | Reason : Political | print version Print | Comments

Document Christian soldier takes up arms as hustings near

by Douglas Fraser

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http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/news/display.var.1253931.0.0.php

Thanks to Deoradh for sending this in.

Onward Christian politics, marching to the Holyrood elections. Bishop Joseph Devine, one of Scotland's leading Catholics, has put the religious cat among the Labour Party pigeons when he said that he would not vote in protest at the new law on gay adoption.

Catholic priests are banned by their Church from getting involved in party politics, but the Bishop of Motherwell has promised to endorse another party once he has read their manifestos. He declared the Christian People's Alliance (CPA) as front runner for now.

How worried should Labour be? The evidence is unclear. If the past behaviour of politicians is any guide, Labour gets very anxious when the Catholic hierarchy criticises it or talks positively about independence.

In 1979, 67% of the Catholic vote went Labour, while only 7% went SNP. By 1992, that had declined to 53% Labour, with 16% for the SNP. Since then, Alex Salmond has courted Catholic voters with hearty support for separate schooling and repeal of the discriminatory Act of Settlement.

Professor James Mitchell, of Strathclyde University, argues Catholics' pro-Labour habit is less about religion than because the party supported Irish immigrants, and that all such voter blocks are now becoming less predictable and loyal.

"It is easy to overstate the role of religion in politics today, but it is also easy to understate its importance in the past," observes the academic.

The next question is whether the hierarchy can sway the votes of church adherents.

There is little evidence it does. Catholic churches have given prominence to Pro-Life candidates' campaigns, but they have failed dismally. The pressure exerted by the Church over the repeal of Section 28, the law on teaching about homosexuality in schools, made no discernible impact.

Catholics and those from other denominations now say the law allowing gay adoption is mobilising Christians, and that is where the potential for other smaller parties comes in.

The Scottish Christian Party (SCP) is led by the Rev George Hargreaves, a Londoner of Afro-Caribbean origin and former pop song lyricist. Based at his St Andrews home, it borrows from American evangelicals' political campaign tactics. It is hoping to defeat the Greens' ultra-liberal Glasgow MSP Patrick Harvie and to build on a strong performance in the Western Isles in the 2005 Westminster election, when its vote share is credited with doing enough damage to Labour to let the SNP gain the seat.

The party given a tentative endorsement by Bishop Devine, the CPA, sees George Hargreaves as an unwelcome southern import. "I can't stress enough that we have nothing in common with these people," according to Teresa Smith, former Labour constituency chair in Dumfries and now leader of the CPA.

She positions her party with other northern European Christian Democrat parties, in Holland and Scandanavia. The policies are pro-family and pro-life.

Prof Mitchell doubts this year will be as good for smaller parties as 2003, but he points out Britain is out of kilter with the rest of Europe in keeping such distance between church and party. "The absence of a Christian or religious party is unusual," he says.

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1. Comment #26511 by drive1 on March 20, 2007 at 2:02 am

 avatar"The Scottish Christian Party is led by the Rev George Hargreaves, a Londoner of Afro-Caribbean origin and former pop song lyricist... the CPA, sees George Hargreaves as an unwelcome southern import. "I can't stress enough that we have nothing in common with these people," according to Teresa Smith, former Labour constituency chair".

Ah, the tolerance and high-level discourse displayed in this parochial tiff is most enlightening. Remind me again .. how many gods and inerrant sacred texts do these parties believe in?

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2. Comment #26518 by L.Minnik on March 20, 2007 at 4:32 am

Why do they continue using the terms pro-family and pro-life?
Am I then anti-family and anti-life?? Of course not.
It makes me upset every time I hear this.
Please instead use anti-gay, anti-contraception and anti-abortion, thank you.

The Christan marketing seems to be powerful in all ways. I don't like the way the language is re-defined because this is one of the ways in which harmful things can be justified and passed as good.

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3. Comment #26520 by Deoradh on March 20, 2007 at 4:40 am

 avatar"The absence of a Christian or religious party is unusual," The way that most mainstream parties are chasing the religious vote, there is no need. This is leaving a democratic deficit The Greens are the only truly secular party that I know of.

After these other related stories, I am now an ex-SNP voter

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-2535451.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/612409.stm

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4. Comment #26528 by Carl S. Richardson on March 20, 2007 at 6:04 am

L.MinnikPlease Wrote:
instead use anti-gay, anti-contraception and anti-abortion, thank you.


Yeah, the Catholics are pro-catholic life but anti any other, anti-gay, anti-atheist, anti-every other family except nuclear, anti-pagan, anti-contraception, anti-sex outside of marriage, anti-fundraising ( see comic relief story ), anti-stem cell research, anti-IVF, anti-thought, anti-screening, anti-science and anti-child abuse -- Oh wait scrap the last one.

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5. Comment #26533 by nastler on March 20, 2007 at 6:30 am

 avatarSame here Deoradh.
My father could forgive my atheism, but renouncing the SNP might be harder to take...

Scottish Greens are still proIndependence, right?

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6. Comment #26534 by jonecc on March 20, 2007 at 6:41 am

The baffling thing is the level of importance they give to gay issues. You'd almost think they were protesting too much ...

This guy is the Bishop of Motherwell. You'd be looking at Motherwell along time before you came to the conclusion that gay adoption was its most urgent social problem. We're dealing with a man who acts as if the promotion of homophobia is a more urgent goal than unemployment, decaying housing stock, drug addiction or any of Motherwell's other problems.

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7. Comment #26536 by Deoradh on March 20, 2007 at 6:51 am

 avatarNastler – Yes, the Greens are pro-independence. If they highlighted this and their secularism more, this could be a vote winner for them

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8. Comment #26550 by scottishgeologist on March 20, 2007 at 9:22 am

 avatarThe Scottish elections are going to be quite interesting.

Labour are already running scared of the SNP, seriously so, the SNP have never really "cracked" the Labour vote in the past so it'll be interesting to watch this one. Labour in London will be paying VERY close attention. If they lose swathes of traditional support in Scotland, then they will almost certainly suffer from the same effect in England and Wales at the next general election. Anti-Blair, anti-Iraq war sentiments. Plus a resurgent English nationalism which Cameron will respond to.

As far as the Brian Souter thing goes however, after the viciousness of the Clause 28 business, Souter will be seen as a poisoned chalice by many. A lot of SNP supporters will be dismayed.

But the one thing about the religion /politics thing in Scotland is its really hard to say how it will all turn out. Catholics have traditionally voted Labour. Tories hae all sorts, as do the SNP. The most secular are probably ther Greens, then the Lib Dems.

A lot of the religion is just "nominalism" anyway - the kinds that "go to church" but that is about as far as it goes. They'd say they were "Christian" if asked, but never open a bible from one day to the next.

As for these "Christian " parties, they hope to get some success because of the proportional representation system used for Holyrood. Most Scots dont even know they exist.

Keep an eye on the results of this election - it is a major test for Labour. And it could have major constitutional consequences. Irony is, it was Labour who set up the Scottish Parliament!

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9. Comment #26596 by shetlandforpeace on March 20, 2007 at 4:50 pm

I agree with your comments about the Scottish elections being interesting this time, scottishgeologist. For the first time in my life since old enough to vote, I'm seriously considering a protest this time. Green or SNP? I can see the SNP doing well this time. I know a vote for the Greens is the right thing to do but it's just so tempting to see Tony getting a bloody nose. Also, the SNP say they'll effectively prevent Trident being based in Scotland so I think it's them on balance. Definitely not LibDem - our MSP here is the Transport Minister in the Scottish Executive and he thinks he's got a job for life here.

It's natural to react with a sort of annoyed amusement at this 'news story'... just who does the Bish think he is; why should anyone care about his stupid opinion? If you're a thinker - and there are a few of us - it's just yet another nail in the Catholic coffin. (Most of the Catholics I know will just be embarassed.)

But I think I do care. When you consider the harm suffered by the West of Scotland in the name of religion over the years, you would think people in responsible positions would know better than to mouth off about politics. It's not the USA for goodness sake!

On a completely different note - I'm new to the site so apologies if this has been raised before - do English atheists wish to remove the references to God from their anthem? Is there a strong feeling about this?

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10. Comment #26684 by Philip1978 on March 21, 2007 at 5:42 am

 avatarHey Shetlandforpeace, erm, dont know if I speak for all my fellow country folk but as much as I would love to take out god from the national anthem, just imagine what utter dross they would bring in to replace it! To give you an idea, a school in Manchester has just forbidden the use of school ties on account of the fact that despite nearly 500 plus years of wearing them they have become a danger now. Imagine if these people then got hold of the national anthem, it would be full of PC correctness and wiffle! As much as I hate religious wiffle I do like hearing our anthem sung, like Professor Dawkins says you dont have be religious to like religious music, besides, what else are we going to sing on the rugby pitch... when we win...which is once in a blue moon!!!

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11. Comment #26740 by shetlandforpeace on March 21, 2007 at 12:49 pm

Hi Philip1978, thanks for the comment. Aren't some national anthems brilliant? Here's my rugby six nations order of preference:
1) France. Stirring. I love the bloodcurdling bits about defending against those who would invade and slit the throats of our people.
2) Wales. That paean to 'our land' makes me long to have a little bit of Welsh blood in me (alas).
3) Ireland. I mean the actual Irish anthem, not really the rugby song which sounds kind of false in comparison.
4) Scotland. On the right occasion, sung properly, it can be quite moving, but it's about time someone came up with a more uplifting tune. I'm not in favour of the nationalist lyrics.
5) Italy. Cheerful-sounding tune that seems to completely change half way through for some reason. I'm afraid I know nothing about the words.
6) England. God Save The Queen is a dirge to my ears, and the words make me cringe to think that anyone would want to be subservient to deities AND monarchs.

Bring on Eurovision!

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