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Wednesday, March 28, 2007 | Reason : Science of Religion | print version Print | Comments

Document Snake Oil and Holy Water

by Richard Dawkins, FORBES ASAP (October 4, 1999)

Thanks to Paul Young for finding this article.

Reposted from:
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1999-10-04snakeoil.shtml

Are science and religion converging? No.

There are modern scientists whose words sound religious but whose beliefs, on close examination, turn out to be identical to those of other scientists who call themselves atheists. Ursula Goodenough's lyrical book, The Sacred Depths of Nature, is sold as a religious book, is endorsed by theologians on the back cover, and its chapters are liberally laced with prayers and devotional meditations.

Yet, by the book's own account, Goodenough does not believe in any sort of supreme being, does not believe in any sort of life after death. By any normal understanding of the English language, she is no more religious than I am. She shares with other atheistic scientists a feeling of awe at the majesty of the universe and the intricate complexity of life. Indeed, the jacket copy for her book--the message that science does not "point to an existence that is bleak, devoid of meaning, pointless," but on the contrary "can be a wellspring of solace and hope"--would have been equally suitable for my book, Unweaving the Rainbow, or Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. If that is religion, then I am a deeply religious man. But it isn't. And I'm not. As far as I can tell, my "atheistic" views are identical to Ursula's "religious" ones. One of us is misusing the English language, and I don't think it's me.

Goodenough happens to be a biologist, but this kind of neo-Deistic pseudoreligion is more often associated with physicists. In Stephen Hawking's case, I hasten to insist, the accusation is unjust. His much-quotd phrase, "the mind of God," no more indicates belief in God than my saying, "God knows!" as a way of indicating that I don't. I suspect the same of Einstein invoking "dear Lord" to personify the laws of physics. Paul Davies, however, adopted Hawking's phrase as the title of a book that went on to earn the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion, the most lucrative prize in the world today, prestigious enough to be presented in Westminster Abbey. The philosopher Daniel Dennett once remarked to me in Faustian vein: "Richard, if ever you fall on hard times..."

If you count Einstein and Hawking as religious, if you allow the cosmic awe of Goodenough, Davies, Sagan, and me as true religion, then religion and science have indeed merged, especially when you factor in such atheistic priests as Don Cupitt and many university chaplains. But if the term religion is allowed such a flabbily elastic definition, what word is left for conventional religion, religion as the ordinary person in the pew or on the prayer mat understands it today--indeed, as any intellectual would have understood it in previous centuries, when intellectuals were religious like everybody else?

If God is a synonym for the deepest principles of physics, what word is left for a hypothetical being who answers prayers, intervenes to save cancer patients or helps evolution over difficult jumps, forgives sins or dies for them? If we are allowed to relabel scientific awe as a religious impulse, the case goes through on the nod. You have redefined science as religion, so it's hardly surprising if they turn out to "converge."

Another kind of marriage has been alleged between modern physics and Eastern mysticism. The argument goes as follows: Quantum mechanics, that brilliantly successful flagship theory of modern science, is deeply mysterious and hard to understand. Eastern mystics have always been deeply mysterious and hard to understand. Therefore, Eastern mystics must have been talking about quantum theory all along.

Similar mileage is made of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle ("Aren't we all, in a very real sense, uncertain?"), fuzzy logic ("Yes, it's okay for you to be fuzzy, too"), chaos and complexity theory (the butterfly effect, the Platonic, hidden beauty of the Mandelbrot Set--you name it, somebody has mysticized it and turned it into dollars). You can buy any number of books on "quantum healing," not to mention quantum psychology, quantum responsibility, quantum morality, quantum immortality, and quantum theology. I haven't found a book on quantum feminism, quantum financial management, or Afro-quantum theory, but give it time.

The whole dippy business is ably exposed by the physicist Victor Stenger in his book, The Unconscious Quantum, from which the following gem is taken. In a lecture on "Afrocentric healing," the psychiatrist Patricia Newton said that traditional healers "are able to tap that other realm of negative entropy--that superquantum velocity and frequency of electromagnetic energy--and bring them as conduits down to our level. It's not magic. It's not mumbo jumbo. You will see the dawn of the 21st century, the new medical quantum physics really distributing these energies and what they are doing."

Sorry, but mumbo jumbo is precisely what it is. Not African mumbo jumbo but pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo, down to the trademark misuse of the word energy. It is also religion, masquerading as science in a cloying love feast of bogus convergence.

n 1996 the Vatican, fresh from its magnanimous reconciliation with Galileo, a mere 350 years after his death, publicly announced that evolution had been promoted from tentative hypothesis to accepted theory of science. This is less dramatic than many American Protestants think it is, for the Roman Catholic Church has never been noted for biblical literalism--on the contrary, it has treated the Bible with suspicion, as something close to a subversive document, needing to be carefully filtered through priests rather than given raw to congregations. The pope's recent message on evolution has, nevertheless, been hailed as another example of late-20th-century convergence between science and religion.

Responses to the pope's message exhibited liberal intellectuals at their worst, falling over themselves in their eagerness to concede to religion its own magisterium, of equal importance to that of science, but not opposed to it. Such agnostic conciliation is, once again, easy to mistake for a genuine meeting of minds.

At its most naive, this appeasement policy partitions the intellectual territory into "how questions" (science) and "why questions" (religion). What are "why questions," and why should we feel entitled to think they deserve an answer? There may be some deep questions about the cosmos that are forever beyond science. The mistake is to think that they are therefore not beyond religion, too.

I once asked a distinguished astronomer, a fellow of my college, to explain the big bang theory to me. He did so to the best of his (and my) ability, and I then asked what it was about the fundamental laws of physics that made the spontaneous origin of space and time possible. "Ah," he smiled, "now we move beyond the realm of science. This is where I have to hand you over to our good friend, the chaplain." But why the chaplain? Why not the gardener or the chef? Of course chaplains, unlike chefs and gardeners, claim to have some insight into ultimate questions. But what reason have we ever been given for taking their claims seriously? Once again, I suspect that my friend, the professor of astronomy, was using the Einstein/Hawking trick of letting "God" stand for "That which we don't understand." It would be a harmless trick if it were not continually misunderstood by those hungry to misunderstand it. In any case, optimists among scientists, of whom I am one, will insist, "That which we don't understand" means only "That which we don't yet understand." Science is still working on the problem. We don't know where, or even whether, we ultimately shall be brought up short.

Agnostic conciliation, which is the decent liberal bending over backward to concede as much as possible to anybody who shouts loud enough, reaches ludicrous lengths in the following common piece of sloppy thinking. It goes roughly like this: You can't prove a negative (so far so good). Science has no way to disprove the existence of a supreme being (this is strictly true). Therefore, belief or disbelief in a supreme being is a matter of pure, individual inclination, and both are therefore equally deserving of respectful attention! When you say it like that, the fallacy is almost self-evident; we hardly need spell out the reductio ad absurdum. As my colleague, the physical chemist Peter Atkins, puts it, we must be equally agnostic about the theory that there is a teapot in orbit around the planet Pluto. We can't disprove it. But that doesn't mean the theory that there is a teapot is on level terms with the theory that there isn't.

Now, if it be retorted that there actually are reasons X, Y, and Z for finding a supreme being more plausible than a teapot, then X, Y, and Z should be spelled out--because, if legitimate, they are proper scientific arguments that should be evaluated. Don't protect them from scrutiny behind a screen of agnostic tolerance. If religious arguments are actually better than Atkins' teapot theory, let us hear the case. Otherwise, let those who call themselves agnostic with respect to religion add that they are equally agnostic about orbiting teapots. At the same time, modern theists might acknowledge that, when it comes to Baal and the golden calf, Thor and Wotan, Poseidon and Apollo, Mithras and Ammon Ra, they are actually atheists. We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.

In any case, the belief that religion and science occupy separate magisteria is dishonest. It founders on the undeniable fact that religions still make claims about the world that on analysis turn out to be scientific claims. Moreover, religious apologists try to have it both ways. When talking to intellectuals, they carefully keep off science's turf, safe inside the separate and invulnerable religious magisterium. But when talking to a nonintellectual mass audience, they make wanton use of miracle stories--which are blatant intrusions into scientific territory.

The Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, the raising of Lazarus, even the Old Testament miracles, all are freely used for religious propaganda, and they are very effective with an audience of unsophisticates and children. Every one of these miracles amounts to a violation of the normal running of the natural world. Theologians should make a choice. You can claim your own magisterium, separate from science's but still deserving of respect. But in that case, you must renounce miracles. Or you can keep your Lourdes and your miracles and enjoy their huge recruiting potential among the uneducated. But then you must kiss goodbye to separate magisteria and your high-minded aspiration to converge with science.

The desire to have it both ways is not surprising in a good propagandist. What is surprising is the readiness of liberal agnostics to go along with it, and their readiness to write off, as simplistic, insensitive extremists, those of us with the temerity to blow the whistle. The whistle-blowers are accused of imagining an outdated caricature of religion in which God has a long white beard and lives in a physical place called heaven. Nowadays, we are told, religion has moved on. Heaven is not a physical place, and God does not have a physical body where a beard might sit. Well, yes, admirable: separate magisteria, real convergence. But the doctrine of the Assumption was defined as an Article of Faith by Pope Pius XII as recently as November 1, 1950, and is binding on all Catholics. It clearly states that the body of Mary was taken into heaven and reunited with her soul. What can that mean, if not that heaven is a physical place containing bodies? To repeat, this is not a quaint and obsolete tradition with just a purely symbolic significance. It has officially, and recently, been declared to be literally true.

Convergence? Only when it suits. To an honest judge, the alleged marriage between religion and science is a shallow, empty, spin-doctored sham.

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1. Comment #28105 by AgentofEvolution on March 28, 2007 at 3:04 am

 avatarExcellent article Dawkins!

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2. Comment #28131 by mikeshin on March 28, 2007 at 5:36 am

Dawkins wrote: "Ah," he smiled, "now we move beyond the realm of science. This is where I have to hand you over to our good friend, the chaplain." But why the chaplain? Why not the gardener or the chef?

I love those last two questions, perfect, right on the money!

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3. Comment #28142 by jonecc on March 28, 2007 at 6:15 am

As Dawkins says, if you criticise the words in the Books, the statements made by Pope or Ayatollah, or the rituals that people practice, you are accused by religious "moderates" of caricaturing religion. It doesn't matter how carefully you differentiate your attacks on that kind of literalist religion from your attacks on the more intellectual kind.

In Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation, for instance, he goes to great pains to explain exactly who he's talking about, only to be attacked for not having done so.

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4. Comment #28151 by SMART on March 28, 2007 at 6:44 am

We atheists are so lucky to have Richard as a leader.


It is not just his clarity of thought, his logic and passion that are stimulating a whole civilisation into re-examining religion. He also has that rare talent to be able to put it into words in a way that commands attention.

Write on, Richard!

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5. Comment #28162 by Geoff on March 28, 2007 at 7:17 am

 avatar"I haven't found a book on quantum feminism, quantum financial management, or Afro-quantum theory, but give it time."

http://www.mcluhan.utoronto.ca/academy/carolynguertin/4ii.html

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6. Comment #28189 by amazeen on March 28, 2007 at 9:24 am

 avatarThe "mind of god" quote by Hawking is actually a reference to Einstein who said something like

"I want to know all Gods thoughts; all the rest are just details."

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7. Comment #28198 by franciebrady on March 28, 2007 at 10:04 am

"We atheists are so lucky to have Richard as a leader."

I would never consider RD as my or anyone else's "leader". A prominent and powerful voice? Yes. Do I agree with him on most issues concerning atheism and religion? Yes. But I think, as a responsible free-thinker, it's very important NOT to have leaders, or at least, not in the same sense that the religious have leaders. Unfortunately, it's comments like this that mistakenly lead the religious to think that atheism is just another religion.

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8. Comment #28204 by Michael on March 28, 2007 at 10:37 am

Well done Geoff. You found quantum feminism! A speed read reveals a long nonsensical diatribe, I think trying and failing to pass as intellectual. Complete bullshit like most religious texts.

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9. Comment #28231 by minstrel on March 28, 2007 at 12:45 pm

 avatarWhat do you think would happen if, 100 years hence, humanity realizes the error of its ways and casts religion off as obsolete and misleading? Will everyone suddenly become brilliantly logical? Will the masses of laypeople suddenly understand evolution, general relativity, or LeChatelier's Principle? I think not. Some will seek to understand their place in the universe using language to describe universal principles that is far less rigorous than Dawkins is used to.
Ursula Goodenough seems, based purely on Dawkins' description, to be trying to bridge the gap between those who understand some of the mechanics of the universe and those who are hopelessly lost in a sea of scientific understanding. Dawkins has called it 'pseudoreligion', but perhaps Goodenough has actually stumbled onto something! Why not use common language to showcase the vastness of the universe, the movement of celestial bodies, and the mechanics of life? Why not compose purple prose soliloquies and (gulp) psalms expounding on natural wonders? Is it because the language of science has become so steeped in rigor that it has been wrung dry of humanity?
Science should not simply be the domain of scientists. It should be accessible to all in a language they can understand. For that to happen, scientists are going to have to slacken the reins of rigor.

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10. Comment #28246 by PaulJ on March 28, 2007 at 1:53 pm

 avatarminstrel:
Science should not simply be the domain of scientists. It should be accessible to all in a language they can understand.
Isn't this what Richard Dawkins does?
For that to happen, scientists are going to have to slacken the reins of rigor.
If it's not rigorous, it's not science.

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11. Comment #28250 by Alison on March 28, 2007 at 2:08 pm

"I haven't found a book on quantum feminism, quantum financial management, or Afro-quantum theory, but give it time."

What about Kjell Enhager's creative "Quantum Golf"?

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Science describes the world as literally as possible; some metaphor is necessary because of our human limitations. Religion describes the world as metaphorically as possible; some literalism is necessary to pay for the candles.

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12. Comment #28274 by phil rimmer on March 28, 2007 at 3:25 pm

 avatarMinstrel, you may have put your finger on it.

Many people's first experience of science at school is negative. Its one of the more difficult subjects. It seems not to be about people and if we look at the vocabulary of our native language, we have a gazillion words related to people and their experiences and very few related to physics chemistry, biology etc. Scientists are generally seen in a negative light, either as (male) nerds (white coat, breast pocket filled with pens, jilted even by virtual girlfriend) or as (male), evil, megalomaniacs (wild hair, manic stare, finger on the button of the doomsday machine). Either way they're sad loners.

By contrast religion is manifestly about communities of people, fellowship, mutual support etc. etc. Choose your flavour. Warm and cuddly, or all the way through to austere and spiritual. In most peoples' minds science doesn't stand a chance. It merely takes their few crumbs of comfort and pulls them to even smaller bits.

RD is right to identify himself as akin to Goodenough in his emotional response to life, the universe and everything. His writing is quite as evocative and inspiring. His argument here is merely one of semantics. "Religious" is not a good adjective to describe his feelings, in his view. "God" is risky because it can open the floodgates to supernatural bunk.

But, but.. just maybe… these words ought to be co-opted. Maybe, we need to take them for ourselves and use them for our own ends. There are enough gods and religions for very many people to take a generalised view of the terms. If it causes confusion with some, it merely gives us the chance to explain. More importantly it gives us the opportunity to drive a wedge between the idea of god and the actuality of Dogma, the real evil here.

The "spiritual" experience, the "epiphany" happens to very many of us. A cascade of insights / experiences might lead us to feel, at last, purposeful or "at home in the world", safe, somehow loved or whatever. These personal "blessings" exist in our heads and are perfectly safe there. Gosh, they may even be useful. The ONLY danger lies in the creation of Dogma, unexamined rules for living, foisted on the lame brain by mankind's con-artists, by tapping into these innermost experiences.

I know RD is dismissive of using the term God in this non-supernatural way, but maybe he's wrong. People howl more often that we're killing their God than we're destroying their Dogma. Let them keep their God, just challenge them on why, in God's name, their stupid Dogma shouldn't be put down.

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13. Comment #28279 by tom70 on March 28, 2007 at 3:39 pm

It keeps coming up everywhere that "what god is" has changed a lot nowadays and isnt a beard in the sky anymore but no one seems to say why. the implication is that religious leaders claim to have a better understanding of god now.

But surely its only because people have started saying, hang on thats a silly idea because...? seems like theyre onyl changing what god is because theyre on the back foot not because of independant enlightment?

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14. Comment #28285 by justme on March 28, 2007 at 3:51 pm

 avatarTypo:

Paragraph starting; "n 1996 the Vatican, fresh from its magnanimous reconciliation with Galileo, "

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15. Comment #28306 by minstrel on March 28, 2007 at 5:21 pm

 avatarPaulJ:
You said: Isn't this what Richard Dawkins does?

I think you are overestimating the intelligence level of your average Joe. Dawkins appeals to people of relatively high education, income and intelligence. A narrow demographic.

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16. Comment #28331 by HappyPrimate on March 28, 2007 at 7:01 pm

 avatarminstrel said "I think you are overestimating the intelligence level of your average Joe. Dawkins appeals to people of relatively high education, income and intelligence. A narrow demographic."

Well here I am a high school graduate in south Louisiana who doesn't make very much $$. I do however have a mind and I use it. I read a lot, including Dr. Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, Edward O. Wilson, Carl Sagan, Jared Diamond and many others. I seem to be able to appreciate them all very well. All one needs is a thirst for knowledge, not necessarily a higher education level or income. I very much appreciate Dr. Dawkins and others not sitting around knowing what they know and not sharing it, but instead putting it out for public consumption. In fact we need more of the same and hopefully it is forthcoming.

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17. Comment #28348 by M31 on March 28, 2007 at 9:44 pm

 avatarThis is really a remarkable essay both for its insight as well as its clarity.

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18. Comment #28440 by minstrel on March 29, 2007 at 7:47 am

 avatarHappyPrimate:
I will happily concede that a "thirst for knowledge" is needed as well. I think my point was that many just want their universe spoon-fed to them rather than quench the thirst for knowldge themselves.
Dawkins' discourse requires one to think logically, but Goodenough seems to be supplying the warm and fuzzy imagery that many people think science lacks intrinsically.

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19. Comment #28542 by Fishpeddler on March 29, 2007 at 4:54 pm

 avatarComment #28274 by phil rimmer on March 28, 2007 at 3:25 pm:

This is an important consideration (attack the dogma, not the god), but I've come to reject this tactic. From the discussions and debates I've been involved in about religion, you will lose every argument once you allow the ultimate false first premise -- that god exists. There is no idea so ridiculous that it can't somehow be shown to be plausible given an omnipotent, unknowable supreme being. No, I say attack the problem at its source.

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20. Comment #28647 by phil rimmer on March 30, 2007 at 8:35 am

 avatarFishpeddlar #28542

Most of the time I agree with you on this. If its wrong, its wrong and we should say so. But...

All Unexamined Dogma is pernicious. We need to show that any such Dogma (e.g. ideological, political as well as religious dogma) has no right to automatic respect and that, if it should ever intrude into the public space, affecting the public and personal rights and liberties of any other person, it must expect to be publicly tested and demands of independent and mutually agreeable evidence must be brought to bear, with the burden placed on the dogmatic to provide the first of this.

Making this point to a religious dogmatist about some mutually hated political dogma, I believe is one way to lead them (slowly) to the light. I have debated these points on some religious websites with good results. Often the knock-out argument comes in actually helping them to argue for their personal moral imperatives. I suggest that perhaps there moral views are not dictated by their religion, but that the kind of moral person they are has led them to their particular faith. I then suggest that it is stronger to argue from personal moral belief/feelings rather than narrow dogma, because it is more universal and credible. (Your feelings have as much value as mine.) An argument from religious dogma is often meaningless to others and is usually taken to mean you have run out of logical arguments. Falling back on dogma is like admitting your personal beliefs are not up to the task. It's a sign of failure.

For me, an attack on belief is weak. The Unitarian Hippy whose God of Love-and-not much else, usually answers to questions of, "What happens when you die?" with "I'm not sure?", may well be a category 6 atheist like RD….like me. The terms people use to describe themselves is no indicator of their attitude to dogma. (I know some sinfully undogmatic Roman Catholics.) What we need from them is not a denial of their feelings but an open denunciation of that great evil, Unexamined Dogma.

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21. Comment #29699 by Chris Davis on April 4, 2007 at 8:11 am

 avatarA little reminder I use:

Not Energy

CD

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22. Comment #51428 by crabsallover on June 22, 2007 at 11:06 pm

 avatarVictor Stenger, whose book 'The Unconscious Quantum' is quoted by Dawkins; will give a talk ('God the failed hypothesis') to Dorset Humanists in Bournemouth, England on 31st August 2007 at 6pm. Details here: http://tinyurl.com/yr8ov7

If you want to attend contact Chris Street: http://tinyurl.com/25t3x3

We plan for Stenger to debate John Polkinghorne at this meeting (TBC).

More about Victor Stenger: http://tinyurl.com/27qx7x

About Polkinghorne: http://tinyurl.com/27p34y

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