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3. Comment #31680 by Bonzai on April 13, 2007 at 8:17 pm
For the newagers quantum mechanics fills the same role as "God". Since it sounds mystical and incomprehensible to many people the entreprising can create piles of bullshit and not to mention build multi-million dollar business on it just like TV evangelists do with 'God'.4. Comment #31683 by kkant on April 13, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Agreed. These people are so shameless. They will steal all the latest science buzzwords and completely demean the ideas they represent. It seems they are always trying to subsume science, trying to claim that their religious paranormal bullshit is above and beyond all this science stuff. A recipe for perpetual delusion.5. Comment #31684 by Veronique on April 13, 2007 at 8:49 pm
6. Comment #31686 by Alric on April 13, 2007 at 9:02 pm
There has never been a miraculously cured amputee. 'nuff said!7. Comment #31691 by gav1970 on April 13, 2007 at 9:41 pm
8. Comment #31692 by WilliamP on April 13, 2007 at 9:51 pm
A Canadian teenager named Adam Dreamhealer claims to cure cancer, coax the comatose to consciousness, and drive out infection. He has written books, sells DVDs, and offers seminars.If he can really heal people with miracles, then why is he spending his time cashing in on books, DVD's and lectures?
9. Comment #31696 by MIND_REBEL on April 13, 2007 at 10:54 pm
10. Comment #31699 by Karl Christensen on April 13, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Veronique; 'Snake Oil' is a term that has fallen from general usage. Should be used more.11. Comment #31701 by Veronique on April 13, 2007 at 11:27 pm
12. Comment #31702 by greatness on April 13, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Hello everyone, my first post here, love the conversations here and find it very intellectually inspiring.13. Comment #31703 by Veronique on April 13, 2007 at 11:48 pm
14. Comment #31705 by greatness on April 14, 2007 at 12:02 am
Thank you Veronique:)15. Comment #31707 by Veronique on April 14, 2007 at 12:10 am
16. Comment #31724 by hogi on April 14, 2007 at 2:32 am
hello there..17. Comment #31743 by nancy2001 on April 14, 2007 at 4:12 am
Great article from the Skeptical Inquirer. But it's tragic that articles like this don't appear in the National Enquirer (or any other supermarket tabloid). Of course, you'd have to simplify the text to an eighth grade reading level, but the basic message would remain. There's an urgent need for this information in the wider community. Perhaps Prof. Dawkins should add something like this to the work of his foundation. That way, the message would reach the people who could benefit from it most.18. Comment #31746 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 4:20 am
19. Comment #31747 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 4:22 am
20. Comment #31750 by Rtambree on April 14, 2007 at 4:34 am
19. Comment #31747 by Yorker21. Comment #31752 by oeditor on April 14, 2007 at 4:46 am
"It's about channeling energy and resonating with the person. The principles of quantum physics explain many of these intuitive mystical aspects of attention and intention,"22. Comment #31755 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 5:09 am
23. Comment #31756 by pissinintothewind on April 14, 2007 at 5:18 am
Hi everybody, this subject is something of a personal bugbear,about 20 years ago I was introduced to a "new age" community and have had many dicussions on this topic. One of these people was diagnosed about 5 years ago with cancer of the cervix. She refused medical help (I almost said conventional) and instead consulted a "colour" healer from Liverpool approx 120 miles from where she lived. Her weekly treatment consisted of a telephone call to the healer who would inform her of the colour of the healing energy he was transmitting telepathically. She the subject was to lie on the floor with a minimum of four people around that cared, who would imagine the same healing colour flowing into her. She asked me to join the group I refused not wanting to condone the practise. As her situation got worse her treatment was upped to twice a week. She died 2 years ago never considering that she had made the wrong choise. A gentle ill educated gullible woman.I agree with denoir that the mechanism of the belief is the same for the religious. The only way this nonsense can be combated is through the education system by teaching skeptism and critical thinking. As for the frog walking on water its only a short hop to believing a man can do it aswell, maybe just after a lightening strike.24. Comment #31762 by jaytee_555 on April 14, 2007 at 6:22 am
Psuedo-science is the unintended compliment Stupidity pays to Reason.25. Comment #31763 by bouwe on April 14, 2007 at 6:27 am
I know a person who thinks Jesus healed her of her back complaint many years ago and always cites it as incontrovertible evidence that god is real. Funny thing is, she's still got back complaints and ongoing multiple serious health problems, but that doesn't go against her beliefs...and if I asked her, I'm sure she would still say that "god healed my back" even though she's STILL got back ache!!!26. Comment #31766 by CJ on April 14, 2007 at 6:43 am
27. Comment #31768 by Jack Rawlinson on April 14, 2007 at 6:54 am
28. Comment #31772 by kkant on April 14, 2007 at 7:26 am
Hey Yorker--29. Comment #31783 by Canuck#1 on April 14, 2007 at 9:29 am
30. Comment #31785 by Patchell on April 14, 2007 at 9:34 am
31. Comment #31787 by Dr Benway on April 14, 2007 at 9:59 am
It was all very weird and he was also offended by my assertion that his idea about walking through a door to a different world was not original to him. We argued about that for a long time.
32. Comment #31793 by DavidJMH on April 14, 2007 at 10:16 am
Ladies and Gentlemen,33. Comment #31810 by greatness on April 14, 2007 at 11:32 am
Thank you Pathcell and Dr Benway for your replies and thanks again Veronique:)34. Comment #31813 by ksskidude on April 14, 2007 at 11:46 am
35. Comment #31819 by Bremas on April 14, 2007 at 12:46 pm
greatness,36. Comment #31821 by Logicel on April 14, 2007 at 12:52 pm
37. Comment #31824 by Logicel on April 14, 2007 at 1:06 pm
38. Comment #31831 by ghostbuster on April 14, 2007 at 1:50 pm
My sad entry into alternative medicine is my friend of over 40 years who had breast cancer and refused conventional treatments in favor of essiac tea and tumeric. Essiac tea has now been shown to increase breast cancer cells in vitro. While tumeric has shown some anti-cancer activity it is not achievable through diet and has only has shown some effect in rats. Now my friend has read a variety of crappola from Barefoots to Dreamhealers spouting this stuff. Now imagine going to your oncologist who is at the top of his field, ten years of medical school, another 20 years of looking at every concievable breast cancer cell, published numerous research articles not to mention volunteer work with those who cannot afford treatments, and in comes this nice little Jehovah Witness, Gary Gluck's cancer cure book under her arm, saying "I've done my research"! This is the problem with "research"; many people read pseudo-science and call it research. They don't know the difference between a cancer cell and a jail cell, but they read these books and think they know, often more than their doctor. Now my friend is Jehonah Witness which means her baloney detector is not only damaged but entirely absent, so one could expect this although even in the J.W. literature, alternative medicine is viewed suspiciously (since, of course, the J.W.'s have had some experience in looney-bin medical devices and don't want that tag again). Her oncologist respected her decision (although he only respected her right to make a decision) and knew better than to try to knock some sense into her. However, one does not have to be a fundy to get hooked on alternative medicine, organics, supplements and/or conspiracy threories. This is the reason critical thinking skills should be taught in schools from day one. It is the only innoculant to this stuff.39. Comment #31833 by Bremas on April 14, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Regarding all of the comments about people seeing god in things that are difficult (or damn near impossible) to understand... quantum mechanics, event horizon, dark matter....40. Comment #31834 by Bremas on April 14, 2007 at 2:29 pm
ghostbuster post 3841. Comment #31851 by Bremas on April 14, 2007 at 4:17 pm
greatness42. Comment #31857 by greatness on April 14, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Thank you Bremas.43. Comment #31858 by Veronique on April 14, 2007 at 4:58 pm
44. Comment #31875 by ghostbuster on April 14, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Just a correction re: Gary Gluck--actually it's Gary Glum. Apologies to any Glucks out there.45. Comment #31966 by chamber on April 15, 2007 at 4:30 am
Miracles are the act of God that we, with a limited conception, knowledge and perception, are unable to understand. Since it happened either we will deny it by mocking it or we believe that the miracles are the special arrangements for the prophets to make their people believe if they insist seeing through their eyes not throuh the eyes of their mind. Disciples of the Jesus Christ committed the miracle –like cures with the name of God and these cannot be denied so denying the power of the prayers will not make them disappear. They are still there waiting for those unbelievers to make them believe. Miracles can be seen by eyes but understood by faith. Human being body is already a miracle we see it and we acknowledge that it is a miracle. Otherwise our mind will be descending in our eyes and without faith we will turn out to be blind.46. Comment #32010 by Luthien on April 15, 2007 at 8:06 am
He's just another thief. Nothing more. In the past he's refused any sort of empiric testing and has also refused to take part in the JREF million dollar prize. See here http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-10/100613who.html
Liars like this make me sick (or is that a little too ironic).
47. Comment #32040 by ghostbuster on April 15, 2007 at 10:22 am
No Chamber, miracles are seen by those who have limited conception, knowledge,or perception of science. Any magician can perform a "miracle" and anything can be perceived as a miracle when there is a lack of explanation--then along comes the witchdoctor or some other perceptively gifted crook to tell you exactly, for a price, what the explanation is. If it were any different we would,'t have millions of people giving up their thought processes to listen to gibberish from Popes prophets, priests , pastors, gurus, and an assortment of other magic men/women.48. Comment #32118 by BeamMeUp on April 15, 2007 at 8:07 pm
If someone truely believed in a god that listened and acted, why would they bother going to a doctor? If you spend your time praying, god should do something in return. How ironic that most believers still need to do the same things non believers do when sick or injured. I guess ten hours of prayer and a doctor visit will fix you or just the doctor visit. It's your choice.49. Comment #32126 by lawrelwill on April 15, 2007 at 9:10 pm
I think that Christians should be prohibited from bringing medical malpractice suits. In my high Christian content State of Florida office, whenever someone with a serious illness improves or recovers, the Christians immediately attribute ALL of the credit to "the Lord" and to their own efforts at praying. They never give ANY of the credit to the skill, knowledge, and experience of the Dr. So by contrast, since no credit goes to the Dr. when there is a good outome, then none of the discredit should go to the Dr. when there is an unsuccessful outcome. It would appear that "the Lord" must have either been calling the deceased home or not giving him more than the Lord knew he could handle.50. Comment #32129 by nancyjesse on April 15, 2007 at 10:18 pm
My mother was diagnosed with colon cancer last summer. She lives in another state and chose to come to Texas to MD Anderson cancer center in Houston for her treatment rather than relying on the "hick" doctors (her words) in Illinois. After weeks in the hospital, chemotherapy, radiation and surgery, she was cancer free at 6 months. I was with her in the doctor's office when he told her she was now cancer free and rather than attribute it to the wonderful and highly skilled doctors, nurses, techs and others she simply said "God did it". I almost fell in the floor! I asked her where the evidence of this was and she told me that her entire congregation back home was praying for her and that cured her. I couldn't hold back my disgust and then asked her why the church folks couldn't have prayed for the "hick" doctors to cure her. I guess that was just too difficult.
1. Comment #31675 by Freelance Scientist on April 13, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Well that settles it for me - I'm a believer.
Meanwhile in the real world little has changed and the results speak for themselves (again).
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