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More than 80 percent of Americans believe in God, after all, and many fear that teaching evolution in our schools could undermine the belief system they consider the foundation of morality.
3. Comment #31898 by NakedCelt on April 14, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Sounds reasonable at first blush. I'd even agree... if it weren't for the fact that America is teetering on the edge of full-blown Christofascism. Global warming and evolution teaching are important issues, and it's not stupid to suggest that theists and brights bury their deeper differences temporarily until those issues are sorted out. But in fact religion itself is fast becoming an urgent sociopolitical problem. Scientists, being trained in critical thinking, have a responsibility not as scientists but as citizens to combat this problem as best they can.4. Comment #31899 by Janus on April 14, 2007 at 10:36 pm
5. Comment #31903 by adamhaar on April 14, 2007 at 10:57 pm
It seems to me that the authors of the article would prefer scientists to conceal detail and have the public accept their findings on 'faith'.6. Comment #31904 by M31 on April 14, 2007 at 10:58 pm
7. Comment #31914 by NJS on April 15, 2007 at 12:11 am
Among all the things about theism I don't "get" is this one about how theists CAN accept evolution and still have faith.8. Comment #31917 by Feuerbach on April 15, 2007 at 12:25 am
I don't know how to say this politely, so I won't.9. Comment #31918 by GodlessHeathen on April 15, 2007 at 12:26 am
10. Comment #31922 by Macho Nachos on April 15, 2007 at 12:32 am
11. Comment #31925 by Johan on April 15, 2007 at 12:52 am
It's funny how the major point of this article "there is nothing wrong with science but needs to be carefully taught to (in some ways even distorted, I guess) for many Americans to accept it" rather comes across as saying " there is something seriously wrong with more than half the American population, being a deluded bunch that can't accept facts.12. Comment #31935 by BMMcArdle on April 15, 2007 at 1:43 am
RD quoted a former editor of New Scientist magazine as saying "Science is interesting, and if you don't agree, you can fuck off".13. Comment #31936 by hasty toweling on April 15, 2007 at 1:45 am
Well put NJS (comment 7). This article displays one of the most bizzare assertions made by religious liberals: that evolution and religion are not in conflict. People like Francis Collins are particularly guilty.14. Comment #31938 by mfwglatz on April 15, 2007 at 1:54 am
I have to admit, that it doesn´t serve the cause of convincing people when you intimidate them. Sometimes a neutral display of facts and arguments would be better. In the discussions I have with friends and colleagues I now tend to stress the need to separate church and state. Secularism and education automatically lead to atheism in my eyes.15. Comment #31948 by stephend on April 15, 2007 at 3:18 am
16. Comment #31952 by Biblebeltheretic on April 15, 2007 at 3:35 am
"We agree with Dawkins on evolution and admire his books, so we don't enjoy singling him out. But he stands as a particularly stark example of scientists' failure to explain hot-button issues, such as global warming and evolution, to a wary public."17. Comment #31955 by Corylus on April 15, 2007 at 3:36 am
The fact remains: The public cannot be expected to differentiate between his advocacy of evolution and his atheism.
Scientists have traditionally communicated with the rest of us by inundating the public with facts; but data dumps often don't work. People generally make up their minds by studying more subtle, less rational factors.
In 2000 Americans didn't pore over explanations of President Bush's policies; they asked whether he was the kind of guy they wanted to have a beer with.
…even as business leaders can speak to fiscally oriented conservatives about the economic opportunities there for the plucking if Congress passes a system for trading carbon dioxide emission credits.
18. Comment #31968 by epeeist on April 15, 2007 at 4:32 am
19. Comment #31981 by chrisrkline on April 15, 2007 at 5:43 am
I enjoyed much of Mooney's Republican War on Science, and as an atheist married to a wonderful religious moderate, I am sympathetic to his argument.20. Comment #31984 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 15, 2007 at 5:52 am
21. Comment #31994 by debaser71 on April 15, 2007 at 6:42 am
Dawkins has said that he's interested in fighting the larger battle of reason vs. superstition over the smaller skirmishes like evolution or global warming. That to get people to think clearly and reasonably in the first place would mean that the smaller issues would fall into place as well. I agree that this isx good for at least some people. But the bottom line is that we need people doing things from all angles to appeal to as many people as possible. See where Dawkins might scare some folk, he's inspiring others. Where Mooney appeals to people's political hatred of neocons Dawkins is appealing to people's skeptism regarding religon. All this infighting amont supposed reasonable and rational people disturbs me. In my opinion one could focus less on each other and more on "the enemy".22. Comment #31997 by Glacian on April 15, 2007 at 6:52 am
23. Comment #32005 by Mikado on April 15, 2007 at 7:36 am
I would think that most believers in the US and elsewhere would be more happy if their priest just said: "God did it and evolution is how he did it". My experience with most believers is that they have a problem with letting go of god but have no problem with dismissing most of the bible.24. Comment #32102 by DistrictSelectman on April 15, 2007 at 5:19 pm
25. Comment #32139 by Yossarian on April 16, 2007 at 12:39 am
scientists don't need to dumb darwinism down, or tart it up. they need to keep doing what they've been doing: patiently explaining the evidence. every time a new poll comes out showing that a substantial number of americans are ignorant of basic biology, the scientific community is chastised for doing a poor job of communicating its ideas. and yet the religous community, for all the years of lies, misdeeds, and obfuscation on a massive scale, doesn't even get a mention! no, no. the problem is that scientists are too boring and can't communicate with average knuckle-dragging americans.26. Comment #32143 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2007 at 1:34 am
27. Comment #32151 by HunterZolomon on April 16, 2007 at 2:12 am
28. Comment #32155 by ktillyer on April 16, 2007 at 2:35 am
29. Comment #32171 by HunterZolomon on April 16, 2007 at 4:15 am
30. Comment #32173 by epeeist on April 16, 2007 at 4:37 am
I agree with your point about this effort being a very, very long haul. But do we really need to use "other avenues of persuasion"?
31. Comment #32180 by HunterZolomon on April 16, 2007 at 5:29 am
32. Comment #32200 by katiemuffett on April 16, 2007 at 6:53 am
33. Comment #32218 by bouwe on April 16, 2007 at 8:12 am
Maybe scientists need to learn to play "good cop, bad cop" -- Dawkins and Harris shine the stark headlamp of reason into the squinting eyes of the creationist, threatening to beat him up with atheism: "We got enough on your Friend, this Guy, to put him away for (eternal) LIFE! I mean, this guy has practically confessed. He's already admitted to crimes in the books of Exodus, Samuel, Joshua!!! And the boys from the lab have confimed with DNA evidence that we come from monkeys!"34. Comment #32240 by rabidchihauhau on April 16, 2007 at 10:44 am
35. Comment #32243 by Thrall on April 16, 2007 at 11:14 am
Durrr. Sience is hard. Cant you just tell me what it says?36. Comment #32253 by Arcturus on April 16, 2007 at 12:40 pm
37. Comment #32824 by Red Foot Oakie on April 18, 2007 at 11:11 am
38. Comment #32967 by alienward on April 18, 2007 at 9:43 pm
From the article:39. Comment #33960 by cmacblue42 on April 22, 2007 at 9:48 pm
"It's here that scientists and their allies are stumbling in our information-overloaded society -- even as scientific information itself"
1. Comment #31891 by MIND_REBEL on April 14, 2007 at 9:51 pm
This idiot knows nothing about science or evolution.
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