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Nisbet and Mooney do it again, with an op-ed in the Washington Post … and I'm afraid they've alienated me yet further. I am convinced now that theirs is not an approach that I could find useful, even if I could puzzle out some useable strategy from it. In the very first sentence, they claim that Richard Dawkins gives "creationist adversaries a boost" — it's the tired old argument that we must pander to religious belief. This is their rationale:Leave aside for a moment the validity of Dawkins's arguments against religion. The fact remains: The public cannot be expected to differentiate between his advocacy of evolution and his atheism. More than 80 percent of Americans believe in God, after all, and many fear that teaching evolution in our schools could undermine the belief system they consider the foundation of morality (and perhaps even civilization itself). Dawkins not only reinforces and validates such fears -- baseless though they may be -- but lends them an exclamation point.
We agree with Dawkins on evolution and admire his books, so we don't enjoy singling him out. But he stands as a particularly stark example of scientists' failure to explain hot-button issues, such as global warming and evolution, to a wary public.
So in today's America, like it or not, those seeking a broader public acceptance of science must rethink their strategies for conveying knowledge. Especially on divisive issues, scientists should package their research to resonate with specific segments of the public. Data dumping -- about, say, the technical details of embryology -- is dull and off-putting to most people.
And the Dawkins-inspired "science vs. religion" way of viewing things alienates those with strong religious convictions. Do scientists really have to portray their knowledge as a threat to the public's beliefs?
Can't science and religion just get along? A "science and religion coexistence" message -- conveyed in Sunday sermons by church leaders -- might better convince even many devout Christians that evolution is no real threat to their faith.
2. Comment #31890 by MIND_REBEL on April 14, 2007 at 9:49 pm
3. Comment #31896 by Mr. Mark on April 14, 2007 at 10:12 pm
It's really simple: either the religous gods are strong enough to stand up to any assault made upon them, or their not. It's quite obvious that they're not at all strong.4. Comment #31900 by Janus on April 14, 2007 at 10:42 pm
5. Comment #31901 by troyreynolds86 on April 14, 2007 at 10:42 pm
The solution is very simple. We are all literate-scientifically, historically, and grammatically-and from these knowledges any one of us can give the public understanding. One does not need a phd behind his or her name to educate. If the scientists are failing to get the message across then maybe we should try. If we are as dedicated to science and rationality as we say, then the effort of writing books, essays or newspaper articles would be well worth the attempt. If we fail we fail, but if never try then we fail in the most horrific way, with our head up our ass. Maybe we will be ignored, but would that be any worse than now?6. Comment #31902 by dthuleen on April 14, 2007 at 10:52 pm
7. Comment #31909 by Tim Marsh on April 14, 2007 at 11:27 pm
MIND_REBEL: If you're not with us, then your against us. Theism had it's chance-it failed. Now it's our turn to turn the tables and fix all the problems that religion has created.Your aggressive, absolutist, sectarian thinking is really unbecoming of someone who is supposedly a rationalist and social-progressive.
8. Comment #31915 by Quine on April 15, 2007 at 12:14 am
9. Comment #31919 by Veronique on April 15, 2007 at 12:28 am
10. Comment #31923 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 12:48 am
11. Comment #31924 by GodlessHeathen on April 15, 2007 at 12:50 am
12. Comment #31926 by Veronique on April 15, 2007 at 12:52 am
13. Comment #31928 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 12:57 am
14. Comment #31932 by Veronique on April 15, 2007 at 1:12 am
15. Comment #31933 by Johan on April 15, 2007 at 1:18 am
It's funny how the major point of this article "there is nothing wrong with science but needs to be carefully taught to (in some ways even distorted, I guess) for many Americans to accept it" rather comes across as saying " there is something seriously wrong with more than half the American population, being a deluded bunch that can't accept facts.16. Comment #31934 by Veronique on April 15, 2007 at 1:36 am
17. Comment #31937 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 1:46 am
18. Comment #31939 by stereoroid on April 15, 2007 at 1:54 am
19. Comment #31940 by Veronique on April 15, 2007 at 1:54 am
20. Comment #31941 by Jonathan Dore on April 15, 2007 at 2:17 am
Leave aside for a moment the validity of Dawkins's arguments against religion. The fact remains: The public cannot be expected to differentiate between his advocacy of evolution and his atheism. More than 80 percent of Americans believe in God, after all, and many fear that teaching evolution in our schools could undermine the belief system they consider the foundation of morality (and perhaps even civilization itself).
21. Comment #31947 by RascoHeldall on April 15, 2007 at 3:18 am
Mr. Mark wrote:It's really simple: either the religous gods are strong enough to stand up to any assault made upon them, or their not. It's quite obvious that they're not at all strong.
22. Comment #31950 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 3:30 am
23. Comment #31962 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 4:04 am
24. Comment #31965 by Canuck#1 on April 15, 2007 at 4:14 am
25. Comment #31967 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 15, 2007 at 4:30 am
26. Comment #31971 by Helian on April 15, 2007 at 4:45 am
And it certainly is true that Dawkins puts an exclamation point on godlessness, and good for him. The path we've taken in the past, the cautious avoidance of the scarlet letter of atheism, has not worked. Dawkins represents a different, bolder, more forthright approach — we are staking out a place in the public discourse and openly discussing our concerns, rather than hiding in fear of that old Puritan scowl. We will not go back in the closet.
27. Comment #31973 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 4:48 am
28. Comment #31980 by Rtambree on April 15, 2007 at 5:41 am
26. Comment #31967 by briancoughlanworldcitizen29. Comment #31985 by Dr Benway on April 15, 2007 at 5:53 am
Leave aside for a moment the validity of Dawkins's arguments against religion.
30. Comment #31987 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 15, 2007 at 5:59 am
31. Comment #31989 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 6:18 am
32. Comment #31990 by Rtambree on April 15, 2007 at 6:24 am
Oh acolytes of the dark Saganic mills, recant now for only the Harris-Dawkins-Dennett triumvirate has the Truth, and through Their Holy Scriptures will you be set free. Banish Sagan and a curse on his Mary Druyan - they are cast out by the Great Prophet Bertrand Russell as Theist-Enablers. We can tolerate no intolerance!! Briancoughlanworldcitizen is leading you down the path of unreason that only Dennett can redeem. It is written. It shall pass. May our holy warriors be blessed.33. Comment #31991 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 6:35 am
34. Comment #31993 by BMMcArdle on April 15, 2007 at 6:37 am
I'm dogmatically opposed to dogmatism.35. Comment #31995 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 15, 2007 at 6:51 am
36. Comment #31996 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 6:52 am
37. Comment #31999 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 7:13 am
38. Comment #32001 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 7:17 am
39. Comment #32004 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 7:33 am
40. Comment #32007 by PrimeNumbers on April 15, 2007 at 7:56 am
41. Comment #32009 by rbergink on April 15, 2007 at 8:02 am
Data dumping -- about, say, the technical details of embryology -- is dull and off-putting to most people.
42. Comment #32013 by Lordsuhn on April 15, 2007 at 8:10 am
And it certainly is true that Dawkins puts an exclamation point on godlessness, and good for him. The path we've taken in the past, the cautious avoidance of the scarlet letter of atheism, has not worked. Dawkins represents a different, bolder, more forthright approach — we are staking out a place in the public discourse and openly discussing our concerns, rather than hiding in fear of that old Puritan scowl. We will not go back in the closet.
43. Comment #32018 by Logicel on April 15, 2007 at 8:36 am
44. Comment #32024 by mandelstam on April 15, 2007 at 9:20 am
I think that the obvious conclusions of an educated (however that education was acquired) interest in science is atheism. But atheism is nothing. Even the word does not define anything concrete, it is a negation merely. So if you do not see how that can be frightening, and respect that fear, then I think that you lack some aspect of empathy, therefore of humanity. This is the root of the pointless anger that arises in any religion/ science debate & it is this that, clumsily I think, the original article tried to address.45. Comment #32028 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 9:35 am
46. Comment #32057 by Robert Maynard on April 15, 2007 at 11:38 am
47. Comment #32062 by kkant on April 15, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Yorker-- your referenced definition of "dogma" is "a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle." I would submit to you that "settled or established" does not mean "based on evidence." The word "dogma" most certainly does have a very clear and universally applied connotation of "rigid adherence which is unchanging in the face of new evidence." That at least partially implies that dogma is evidence-less belief. Without this connotation, the word "dogma" loses some of its meaning.48. Comment #32066 by Robert Maynard on April 15, 2007 at 12:22 pm
49. Comment #32070 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 15, 2007 at 12:53 pm
50. Comment #32091 by Patrick McArdle on April 15, 2007 at 2:52 pm
What a load of nonsense the WaPo published, and thanks to PZ Meyers for his partial refutation. (The original contained too much patronizing garbage for complete refutation in one brief response.) Worse than talking down to scientists was their belief that one must cosset Americans' irrationality, or "hide one's light under a basket", as the Christians themselves say. The United States was formed as a revolutionary enterprise, which condemned many political beliefs then commonly held in Europe: the need for monarchy, esp. a monarchy aligned with organized religion. When we Americans teach our history to our children, we emphasize just how revolutionary our ideas once were, and how the success of the USA refuted those older ideas forever.This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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