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Sunday, April 15, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document For Some Hispanics, Coming to America Also Means Abandoning Religion

by Laurie Goodstein

Reposted from the NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/us/15hispanic.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Thanks to Andy Thomson for alerting us to this article.

RICHMOND, Va. — On Sunday afternoons, when the local Roman Catholic church holds Mass for Spanish-speaking Catholics, Edgar Chilín is playing soccer in a league with hundreds of Hispanic players.

As a child in Guatemala, Mr. Chilín attended Mass every Sunday. But after immigrating to the United States 25 years ago, he and his family lost the churchgoing habit. "We pray to God when we feel the need to," he said, "but when we come here to America we don't feel the need."

A wave of research shows that increasing percentages of Hispanics are abandoning church, suggesting to researchers that along with assimilation comes a measure of secularization.

Several studies show that Hispanics are just as likely as other Americans to identify themselves as having "no religion," and to not affiliate with a church. Those who describe themselves as secular are, without question, a small minority among Hispanics — as they are among Americans at large. But, in contrast to many of the non-Hispanic Americans who identify themselves as secular, most of the Hispanics say they were once religious.

The Roman Catholic Church, the religious home for most Hispanics, is experiencing the greatest exodus. While many former Catholics join evangelical or Pentecostal churches, the recent research shows that many of them leave church altogether.

"Migrating to the U.S. means you have the freedom to create your own identity," said Keo Cavalcanti, a sociologist at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Va., and a co-author of a recent study that found a trend toward secularization among Hispanics in Richmond. "When people get here they realize that maintaining that pro forma display of religiosity is not essential to doing well."

A separate study of 4,000 Hispanics to be released this month by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Hispanic Center found that 8 percent of them said they had "no religion" — similar to the 11 percent in the general public. Of the Hispanics who claimed no religion, two-thirds said they had once been religious. Thirty-nine percent of the Hispanics who said they had no religion were former Catholics.

Hispanics from Cuba were the most secular national group, at 14 percent, followed by Central Americans at 12 percent, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans at 9 percent, and South Americans at 8 percent, the Pew poll found. Mexicans in this country were the least likely to say they had no religion, at 7 percent.

A larger survey, called the American Religious Identification Survey, a study of 50,000 adults, including 3,000 Hispanics, found that the percentage of Hispanics who identified themselves as having no religion more than doubled from 1990 to 2001, to 13 percent from 6 percent.

This change is happening even though many Hispanics immigrated from countries steeped in religion, where saints' days and festivals mark the passage of time, and grandmothers round up their progeny each Sunday to go to Mass.

"They come, they adopt the American way, and part of the American way is moving towards no religion," said Ariela Keysar, associate director of the Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society and Culture at Trinity College in Hartford.

Each year, Diana Lemus — a real estate agent and owner of Happy Mart, a busy Latino market in Richmond — makes New Year's resolutions that include working out more, getting out of debt, being a better mother and attending church once a week.

Ms. Lemus, a first-generation immigrant, said that this year she had kept all of them, except going to church — and spends Sunday mornings at the gym. She thinks her faith is important, but said that perhaps she has grown "too materialistic."

"I need God in my life, but I told the pastor, I get sleepy," she said. "You have to stay in church from 1:30 to 5. I think if services were shorter, more entertaining."

Like Ms. Lemus, many Hispanics in Richmond said that even though they no longer attended church, their religion remained important to them. This confirms research findings that Hispanics who said they had no religion represent a small subset; many more Hispanics are living rather secular lives but still identify themselves as Catholics or Christians. The phenomenon is similar to that of "cultural Jews," said Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Center.

"You can feel very strongly about the Virgin of Guadalupe and believe your children ought to be baptized, and still not participate in the Catholic Church or make it a major factor in your life," Mr. Suro said.

Richmond and adjacent Chesterfield County have a rapidly growing and diverse Hispanic population, with immigrants from the Caribbean, Central America, Colombia and Mexico. Some are new arrivals, but many have been in the United States for years and resettled here from Northeastern and Southern states, attracted by the area's jobs, relatively affordable housing and receptive local governments.

The increase in the Hispanic population has meant a proliferation of churches. But even when their own churches are thriving, Hispanic ministers say that most Hispanics they approach are not interested.

"Church is not very popular," said Francisco Hernandez, who is pastor with his wife, Connie, of the Iglesia de Dios Alfa y Omega, a Pentecostal church with 400 members. "The majority don't go, and those who go, go one time."

Asked why, he said that his church's strict rules were a hard sell, adding, "People like a superficial religion."

This may be true, and a few young Hispanic women said in interviews that they avoided strict evangelical churches because they frowned on women wearing pants or makeup. However, many more Hispanics said they were simply too busy to attend any church. They said Sunday is a work day, or it is their only day off to wash clothes, go to the market, do errands and relax.

Before Mirna E. Amaya and her husband bought their restaurant, Palacio Latino, three years ago — and when she lived in Maryland — she went to Mass every Sunday. Now she says she is working too hard to go, even though she says she misses it.

"In El Salvador, people went to the church because there's nothing much else to do," Mrs. Amaya said.

She said that some of her women friends had stopped going because they became disillusioned with the Catholic Church after the priest sexual abuse scandals. But she said the Roman Catholic Church was still her preference. The closest parish, St. Augustine Catholic Church, has bent over backward to minister to Hispanics. It offers Mass in Spanish, classes in English, a medical van, job assistance and an instant community for lonely new arrivals. The Sunday Spanish Mass is standing room only.

And yet, the pastor, Msgr. Michael Schmied, also the vicar for the diocese's Hispanic Apostolate, said: "My fear is the strength of secularization, the influence of Americanized pop culture. Is the spiritual tradition of the church, Catholic and Protestant, strong enough to withstand the secularizing cultural influences?"

Jesus Cerritos, a 37-year-old construction worker who immigrated from Mexico 18 years ago, said he spent his weekends running errands, going to Wal-Mart and watching television. His children, ages 11 and 9, tell him that church is boring and that they have no desire to go, but Mr. Cerritos has mixed feelings.

"Here, the people get more materialistic," Mr. Cerritos said. "The culture here is really barren. There's no traditions."

If he were still living in his hometown of Guanajuato, he said, "I would probably go to church."

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1. Comment #32112 by relevo on April 15, 2007 at 7:46 pm

I disagree that American culture is really barren. American culture is based on freedom of conscience/expression, progress in education, and full civil liberties. Freedom to purchase, and live as you want is precisely what makes consumer culture such a great thing. So long as you aren't actually aiming to harm others, there is liberty to potentially accumulate an abundant lifestyle of your own making. Without strength in secularization, without the freedom to voice challenge against all forms of authoritarianism (including religious), such progress would not have been possible. If people aren't going to church, it is because more people are realizing that such habit is a boring waste of life, and mind. More fruitful things are afoot in free society that don't require the koolaid restrictions that come with religious ritual.

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2. Comment #32116 by GodlessHeathen on April 15, 2007 at 7:58 pm

 avatarI'm very tired of hearing how the culture in the USA is barren, especially since it's patently untrue.

There is a myriad of cultural events in the US, religious and secular, that prove the idea to be a pile of fetid donkey's kidneys. By and large, it's all open enough you can pick and choose your favorites for a very rich life.

If someone feels the culture is barren, it's only because they've failed to engage.

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3. Comment #32134 by ridelo on April 15, 2007 at 11:28 pm

that don't require the koolaid restrictions that come with religious ritual.

I found in the Wikipedia that Koolaid is a kind of beverage, but I don't understand its use in this context. Can anybody help?

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4. Comment #32136 by Traytheist on April 15, 2007 at 11:39 pm

 avatarRidelo:

It's most likely a reference to Jim Jones and the Jonestown tragedy. If you're unfamiliar, Jones was a cult leader, and he used the grip he had on his followers to convince them all to drink poisoned KoolAid for a mass suicide.

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5. Comment #32137 by Russell Blackford on April 15, 2007 at 11:51 pm

Damn Jim Jones. References to Kool-Aid once had the relatively harmless sense of drinks spiked, as a prank, with LSD.

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6. Comment #32145 by Pantore on April 16, 2007 at 1:37 am

 avatarLOL @ Relevo

I hope you were joking about your analysis of USA.

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7. Comment #32153 by Logicel on April 16, 2007 at 2:25 am

 avatar"I hope you were joking about your analysis of USA."
______

Pantore, Frequently using your beloved LMAOs and LOLs, you are a fine one for calling the kettle black. I got this mental image of you--yeah, I am one of your admirers also, LOL--of looking like the Joker from Batman.

Seriously, and risking total boredom on the part of anyone reading this comment, I, myself, do not enjoy the American lifestyle, but not only do I know many Americans that do, but also some foreigners in various countries in which I have lived, would love to live in America.

In addition, I adore American cultural achievements, like Jazz and literature. If anybody thinks that there is no real culture/education in America, then he/she sadly needs their narrow horizons pried open to let in a nice, fresh blast of reality.

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8. Comment #32154 by Tintern on April 16, 2007 at 2:26 am

Some hope here that secularisation does have a momentum of its own. Usually we only hear about the momentum of the growing religious fundamentalism. Its good to see people reject religion on their own terms; a change in life can be progressive.

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9. Comment #32167 by Logicel on April 16, 2007 at 3:58 am

 avatar"Here, the people get more materialistic," Mr. Cerritos said. "The culture here is really barren. There's no traditions."
______

Interesting and informative article. There are national American traditions, like celebrating Fourth of July and Thanksgiving. In addition there are regional and State traditions, like clam bakes, barbecues, Mardi Gras, etc. Being a fairly new country, it does lack the historical punch of traditions in older countries. As for as materialism, one is not forced to consume, and some Americans choose to embrace voluntary 'poverty.'

My goodness, where is Helian when you need him!

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10. Comment #32168 by shmooth on April 16, 2007 at 3:59 am

 avataryep. good article. we need new institutions to take the place of churches.

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11. Comment #32181 by nancy2001 on April 16, 2007 at 5:31 am

This is a very positive trend. If a parent doesn't attend church, the children aren't going be subjected to religious brainwashing.

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12. Comment #32199 by Dax on April 16, 2007 at 6:26 am

 avatarAgree, American culture is indeed not barren, once you are willing to look past the superficial big-corp dictated culture of blockbuster movies lacking stories or actual characters, scores of singer clones, all sounding the same. True American culture is very diverse and mostly takes place on a true bluegrass level. Smaller and bigger festivals, a dense historical sense (for such a young nation), gumbo's of different styles and cuisines... if anyone doubts this, tour the USA yourself. Visit Gainesville, D.C., New Orleans, Austin and Denver, just to name a few really great places.

Throughout history the newcomers mostly attributed to this cultural diversity and that's why a "white, male, Christian, Neo-con" America is detrimental to American culture.

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13. Comment #32219 by Pentecost on April 16, 2007 at 8:20 am

 avatar"I need God in my life, but I told the pastor, I get sleepy," she said. "You have to stay in church from 1:30 to 5. I think if services were shorter, more entertaining."

Funny!

However, I would like to make the point that chistianity is so popular in America because it is NOT boring. Churches in America have to compete for members (and their money). Megachurhes are like rock concerts. Even smaller churches have choirs and multimedia performances. Sermons are getting shorter and after-service social receptions longer. And preachers are expected to be young, energetic, entertaining and charasmatic (e.g. ted hagggard, rick warren as the most well known) and selectively focus on the nice versions of god and jesus. And who, even here at richarddawkins.net, does not like gospel music?

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14. Comment #32220 by scottishgeologist on April 16, 2007 at 8:25 am

 avatarPentecost asked; And who, even here at richarddawkins.net, does not like gospel music?

Ans: I dont. I f------- hate it!

But you do raise an intersting point with the churches and the music and all that. The music, esp that repetitive charismatic mind numbing puerile drivel that they wave their arms about to is little more than a hypnotic way of getting them into the altered state of consciousness that allows their slick pastors to manipulate them, and tell them what to believe.

Even non-charismaniac conservative believers see through this BS.

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15. Comment #32226 by Pentecost on April 16, 2007 at 8:36 am

 avatar14. Comment #32220 by scottishgeologist on April 16, 2007 at 8:25 am

Scottishgeologist: lemme guess, you only go for rock oldies!
(I had to!)
-P

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16. Comment #32232 by Fishpeddler on April 16, 2007 at 9:02 am

 avatar"My goodness, where is Helian when you need him!"

LOL. He's going to go postal when he reads that 'barren culture' remark.

Grotesque though much in American culture may be, I certainly would not call it barren. I think the lack of homogeneity gives that mistaken impression. At any given moment in the US there is manifestation not only of uniquely American traditions (Monster Truck Rally, anyone?), but also of an astounding variety of traditions from around the planet. This cultural smorgasbord, in which everyone can follow their own tastes, results in an overwhelming plenitude that is mistaken for barrenness, in much the same way that Benday dots appear to be a single smudge from afar, but are revealed to be countless dots of color upon close inspection.

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17. Comment #32236 by scottishgeologist on April 16, 2007 at 9:54 am

 avatarPentecost,

Hey you hit the nail on the head - I like that "rock oldies" Absolutely spot on too - anything late 60s, early 70s, classic rock, HM, all that stuff.

Been downhill ever since then, with a slight bump upwards however with NWOBHM, but since then, nah, ageing hippie thats me! :-))))

Gimme a Strat, a Marshall with a bottle of Jack Daniels sitting on it, some like minded company and hey, beats religion hands down!

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18. Comment #32260 by TranshumanAtheist on April 16, 2007 at 1:20 pm

Hispanics from Cuba were the most secular national group, at 14 percent,


This suggests that many Cubans who've migrated to the U.S. have grievances against Castro's regime other than religious ones.

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19. Comment #32282 by Shuggy on April 16, 2007 at 4:35 pm

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Hispanics from Cuba were the most secular national group, at 14 percent,

This suggests that many Cubans who've migrated to the U.S. have grievances against Castro's regime other than religious ones.

Mmm? On the contrary, I wondered if some communist atheism had rubbed off?

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20. Comment #32283 by Shuggy on April 16, 2007 at 4:39 pm

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Megachurhes are like rock concerts. Even smaller churches have choirs and multimedia performances. Sermons are getting shorter and after-service social receptions longer. And preachers are expected to be young, energetic, entertaining and charasmatic (e.g. ted hagggard, rick warren as the most well known) and selectively focus on the nice versions of god and jesus.

I'm struck by the similarity between televangelists and sideshow barkers and snake-oil merchants (and the commentators at Seaworld). They all go back to the revival-tent tradition, don't they? Mark Twain skewered them in Huckleberry Finn Or is there something earlier?

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21. Comment #32530 by glittergulch on April 17, 2007 at 9:49 am

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"Here, the people get more materialistic," Mr. Cerritos said. "The culture here is really barren. There's no traditions."

If he were still living in his hometown of Guanajuato, he said, "I would probably go to church."


What a stupid comment. Instead of watching TV and going to walmart maybe he can take his kids to a different museum every weekend. Or find musical events in his area. Or play sports with them. Or have a family drawing/painting workshop. I love the idea of him not going to church, sitting around and watching TV, and then complaining that America is materialistic and lacking in culture. Give me a break.

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22. Comment #32532 by glittergulch on April 17, 2007 at 9:53 am

 avatar
Ridelo:

It's most likely a reference to Jim Jones and the Jonestown tragedy. If you're unfamiliar, Jones was a cult leader, and he used the grip he had on his followers to convince them all to drink poisoned KoolAid for a mass suicide.


This is off-topic but this is a pet-peeve of mine. The cult/religion reference to Kool Aid is a huge cultural error. The people in Jonestown did not drink the cyanide-laced Kool Aid because they were brainwashed. In fact they weren't even tricked into drinking it. They drank it at GUNPOINT. They didn't want to drink it and tried to fight back but when Jones' thugs started shooting they had no choice. This was not a cult-suicide. It was murder.

Similarly, the reference to "Stepford Wives" as women who have been brainwashed into being "perfect" housewives is a similar lie if you've ever seen the movie. I won't spoil it but that's not what happens. The ending of the movie is actually far stupider than the cultural meme it spawned suggests.

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