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Sunday, April 22, 2007 | Reason : Science of Religion | print version Print | Comments

Document In the beginning

by The Economist

Reposted from:
http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9036706

The debate over creation and evolution, once most conspicuous in America, is fast going global

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THE "Atlas of Creation" runs to 770 pages and is lavishly illustrated with photographs of fossils and living animals, interlaced with quotations from the Koran. Its author claims to prove not only the falsehood of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, but the links between "Darwinism" and such diverse evils as communism, fascism and terrorism. In recent weeks the "Atlas de la Création" has been arriving unsolicited and free of charge at schools and universities across French-speaking Europe. It is the latest sign of a revolt against the theories of Darwin, on which virtually the whole of modern biology is based, that is gathering momentum in many parts of the world.

The mass distribution of a French version of the "Atlas" (already published in English and Turkish) typifies the style of an Istanbul publishing house whose sole business is the dissemination, in many languages, of scores of works by a single author, a charismatic but controversial Turkish preacher who writes as Harun Yahya but is really called Adnan Oktar. According to a Turkish scientist who now lives in America, the movement founded by Mr Oktar is "powerful, global and very well financed". Translations of Mr Oktar's work into tongues like Arabic, Urdu and Bahasa Indonesia have ensured a large following in Muslim countries.

In his native Turkey there are many people, including devout Muslims, who feel uncomfortable about the 51-year-old Mr Oktar's strong appeal to young women and his political sympathies for the nationalist right. But across the Muslim world he seems to be riding high. Many of the most popular Islamic websites refer readers to his vast canon.

In the more prosperous parts of the historically Christian world, Mr Oktar's flamboyant style would be unappealing, even to religious believers. Among mainstream Catholics and liberal Protestants, clerical pronouncements on creation and evolution are often couched in careful—and for many people, almost impenetrable—theological language. For example, Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury and leader of the world's 80m Anglicans, has dismissed literal readings of the Creation story in Genesis as a "category mistake". But no such highbrow reticence holds back the more zealous Christian movements in the developing world, where the strongest religious medicine seems to go down best.

In Kenya, for example, there is a bitter controversy over plans to put on display the most complete skeleton of a prehistoric human being ever found, a figure known as Turkana Boy—along with a collection of fossils, some of which may be as much as 200m years old. Bishop Boniface Adoyo, an evangelical leader who claims to speak for 35 denominations and 10m believers, has denounced the proposed exhibit, asserting that: "I did not evolve from Turkana Boy or anything like it."

Richard Leakey, the palaeontologist who unearthed both the skeleton and the fossils in northern Kenya, is adamant that the show must go on. "Whether the bishop likes it or not, Turkana Boy is a distant relation of his," Mr Leakey has insisted. Local Catholics have backed him.

Rows over religion and reason are also raging in Russia. In recent weeks the Russian Orthodox Church has backed a family in St Petersburg who (unsuccessfully) sued the education authorities for teaching only about evolution to explain the origins of life. Plunging into deep scientific waters, a spokesman for the Moscow Patriarchate, Father Vsevolod Chaplin, said Darwin's theory of evolution was "based on pretty strained argumentation"—and that physical evidence cited in its support "can never prove that one biological species can evolve into another."

A much more nuanced critique, not of Darwin himself but of secular world-views based on Darwin's ideas, has been advanced by Pope Benedict XVI, the conservative Bavarian who assumed the most powerful office in the Christian world two years ago. The pope marked his 80th birthday this week by publishing a book on Jesus Christ. But for Vatican-watchers, an equally important event was the issue in German, a few days earlier, of a book in which the pontiff and several key advisers expound their views on the emergence of the universe and life. While avoiding the cruder arguments that have been used to challenge Darwin's theories, the pope asserts that evolution cannot be conclusively proved; and that the manner in which life developed was indicative of a "divine reason" which could not be discerned by scientific methods alone.

Both in his previous role as the chief enforcer of Catholic doctrine and since his enthronement, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has made clear his profound belief that man has a unique, God-given role in the animal kingdom; and that a divine creator has an ongoing role in sustaining the universe, something far more than just "lighting the blue touch paper" for the Big Bang, the event that scientists think set the universe in motion.

Yesterday America, today the world
As these examples from around the world show, the debate over creation, evolution and religion is rapidly going global. Until recently, all the hottest public arguments had taken place in the United States, where school boards in many districts and states tried to restrict the teaching of Darwin's idea that life in its myriad forms evolved through a natural process of adaptation to changing conditions.

Darwin-bashers in America suffered a body-blow in December 2005, when a judge—striking down the policies of a district school board in Pennsylvania—delivered a 139-page verdict that delved deeply into questions about the origin of life and tore apart the case made by the "intelligent design" camp: the idea that some features of the natural world can be explained only by the direct intervention of a ingenious creator.

Intelligent design, the judge found, was a religious theory, not a scientific one—and its teaching in schools violated the constitution, which bars the establishment of any religion. One point advanced in favour of intelligent design—the "irreducible complexity" of some living things—was purportedly scientific, but it was not well-founded, the judge ruled. Proponents of intelligent design were also dishonest in saying that where there were gaps in evolutionary theory, their own view was the only alternative, according to the judge.

The Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which has spearheaded the American campaign to counter-balance the teaching of evolution, artfully distanced itself from the Pennsylvania case, saying the local school board had gone too far in mixing intelligent design with a more overtly religious doctrine of "creationism". But the verdict made it much harder for school boards in other parts of America to mandate curbs on the teaching of evolution, as many have tried to do—to the horror of most professional scientists.

Whatever the defeats they have suffered on home ground, American foes of Darwin seem to be gaining influence elsewhere. In February several luminaries of the anti-evolution movement in the United States went to Istanbul for a grand conference where Darwin's ideas were roundly denounced. The organiser of the gathering was a Turkish Muslim author and columnist, Mustafa Akyol, who forged strong American connections during a fellowship at the Discovery Institute.

To the dismay of some Americans and the delight of others, Mr Akyol was invited to give evidence (against Darwin's ideas) at hearings held by the Kansas school board in 2005 on how science should be taught. Mr Akyol, an advocate of reconciliation between Muslims and the West who is much in demand at conferences on the future of Islam, is careful to distinguish his position from that of the extravagant publishing venture in his home city. "They make some valid criticisms of Darwinism, but I disagree with most of their other views," insists the young author, whose other favourite cause is the compatibility between Islam and Western liberal ideals, including human rights and capitalism. But a multi-layered anti-Darwin movement has certainly brought about a climate in Turkey and other Muslim countries that makes sure challenges to evolution theory, be they sophisticated or crude, are often well received.

America's arguments over evolution are also being followed closely in Brazil, where—as the pope will find when he visits the country next month—various forms of evangelicalism and Pentecostalism are advancing rapidly at the expense of the majority Catholic faith. Samuel Rodovalho, an activist in Brazil's Pentecostal church, puts it simply: "We are convinced that the story of Genesis is right, and we take heart from the fact that in North America the teaching of evolution in schools has been challenged."

Even in the United States, defenders of evolution teaching do not see their battle as won. There was widespread dismay in their ranks in February when John McCain, a Republican presidential candidate, accepted an invitation (albeit to talk about geopolitics, not science) from the Discovery Institute. And some opponents of intelligent design are still recovering from their shock at reading in the New York Times a commentary written, partly at the prompting of the Discovery Institute, by the pope's close friend, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna.

In his July 2005 article the cardinal seemed to challenge what most scientists would see as axiomatic—the idea that natural selection is an adequate explanation for the diversity and complexity of life in all its forms. Within days, the pope and his advisers found they had new interlocutors. Lawrence Krauss, an American physicist in the front-line of courtroom battles over education, fired off a letter to the Vatican urging a clarification. An agnostic Jew who insists that evolution neither disproves nor affirms any particular faith, Mr Krauss recruited as co-signatories two American biologists who were also devout Catholics. Around the same time, another Catholic voice was raised in support of evolution, that of Father George Coyne, a Jesuit astronomer who until last year was head of the Vatican observatory in Rome. Mr Krauss reckons his missive helped to nudge the Catholic authorities into clarifying their view and insisting that they did still accept natural selection as a scientific theory.

But that was not the end of the story. Catholic physicists, biologists and astronomers (like Father Coyne) insisted that there was no reason to revise their view that intelligent design is bad science. And they expressed concern (as the Christian philosopher Augustine did in the 4th century) that if the Christian church teaches things about the physical world which are manifestly false, then everything else the church teaches might be discredited too. But there is also a feeling among Pope Benedict's senior advisers that in rejecting intelligent design as it is understood in America they must not go too far in endorsing the idea that Darwinian evolution says all that needs to be, or can be, said about how the world came to be.

The net result has been the emergence of two distinct camps among the Catholic pundits who aspire to influence the pope. In one there are people such as Father Coyne, who believe (like the agnostic Mr Krauss) that physics and metaphysics can and should be separated. From his new base at a parish in North Carolina, Father Coyne insists strongly on the integrity of science—"natural phenomena have natural causes"—and he is as firm as any secular biologist in asserting that every year the theory of evolution is consolidated with fresh evidence.

In the second camp are those, including some high up in the Vatican bureaucracy, who feel that Catholic scientists like Father Coyne have gone too far in accepting the world-view of their secular colleagues. This camp stresses that Darwinian science should not seduce people into believing that man evolved purely as the result of a process of random selection. While rejecting American-style intelligent design, some authoritative Catholic thinkers claim to see God's hand in "convergence": the apparent fact that, as they put it, similar processes and structures are present in organisms that have evolved separately.

As an example of Catholic thinking that is relatively critical of science-based views of the world, take Father Joseph Fessio, the provost of Ave Maria University in Florida and a participant in a seminar on creation and evolution which led to the new book with papal input. As Father Fessio observes, Catholics accept three different ways of learning about reality: empirical observation, direct revelations from God and, between those two categories, "natural philosophy"—the ability of human reason to discern divine reason in the created universe. That is not quite intelligent design, but it does sound similar. The mainly Protestant heritage of the United States may be one reason why the idea of "natural philosophy" is poorly understood by American thinkers, Father Fessio playfully suggests. (Another problem the Vatican may face is that Orthodox Christian theologians, as well as Catholic mystics, are wary of "natural philosophy": they insist that mystical communion with God is radically different from observation or speculation by the human brain.)

The evolution of the anti-evolutionists
Whatever they think about science, there is one crucial problem that all Christian thinkers about creation must wrestle with: the status of the human being in relation to other creatures, and the whole universe. There is no reading of Christianity which does not assert the belief that mankind, while part of the animal kingdom, has a unique vocation and potential to enhance the rest of creation, or else to destroy it. This point has been especially emphasised by Pope Benedict's interlocutors in the Orthodox church, such as its senior prelate Patriarch Bartholomew I, who has been nudging the Vatican to take a stronger line on man's effect on the environment and climate change.

For Father Coyne, belief in man's unique status is entirely consistent with an evolutionary view of life. "The fact we are at the end of this marvellous process is something that glorifies us," he says.

But Benedict XVI apparently wants to lay down an even stronger line on the status of man as a species produced by divine ordinance, not just random selection. "Man is the only creature on earth that God willed for his own sake," says a document issued under Pope John Paul II and approved by the then Cardinal Ratzinger.

What is not quite clear is whether the current pope accepts the "Chinese wall" that his old scientific adviser, Father Coyne, has struggled to preserve between physics and metaphysics. It is in the name of this Chinese wall that Father Coyne and other Catholic scientists have been able to make common cause with agnostics, like Mr Krauss, in defence of the scientific method. What the Jesuit astronomer and his secular friends all share is the belief that people who agree about physics can differ about metaphysics or religion.

Critics like Father Fessio would retort that their problem was not with the Chinese wall—but with an attempt to tear it down by scientists whose position is both Darwinist and anti-religious: in other words, with those who believe that scientific observation of the universe leaves no room at all for religious belief. (Some scientists and philosophers go further, dismissing religion itself as a phenomenon brought about by man's evolutionary needs.)

The new book quoting Pope Benedict's contributions to last year's seminar shows him doing his best to pick his way through these arguments: accepting that scientific descriptions of the universe are valid as far as they go, while insisting that they are ultimately incomplete as a way of explaining how things came to be. On those points, he seems to share the "anti-Darwinist" position of Father Fessio; but he also agrees with Father Coyne that a "God of the gaps" theory—which uses a deity to fill in the real or imagined holes in evolutionary science—is too small-minded. Only a handful of the world's 2 billion Christians will be able to make sense of his intricate intellectual arguments, and there is a risk that simplistic reporting and faulty interpretation of his ideas could create the impression that the pope has deserted to the ranks of the outright anti-evolutionists; he has done no such thing, his advisers insist.

Not that the advocates of intelligent design or outright creationists are in need of anyone's endorsement. Their ideas are flourishing and their numbers growing. As Mr Krauss has caustically argued, the anti-evolution movement is itself a prime example of evolution and adaptability—defeated in one arena, it will resurface elsewhere. His ally Father Coyne, the devoted star-gazer, is one of the relatively few boffins who have managed to expound with equal passion both their scientific views and their religious beliefs. He writes with breathless excitement about "the dance of the fertile universe, a ballet with three ballerinas: chance, necessity and fertility." Whether they are atheists or theists, other supporters of Darwin's ideas on natural selection will have to inspire as well as inform if they are to compete with their growing army of foes.

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1. Comment #33919 by Roland Deschain on April 22, 2007 at 5:14 pm

"While rejecting American-style intelligent design, some authoritative Catholic thinkers claim to see God's hand in "convergence": the apparent fact that, as they put it, similar processes and structures are present in organisms that have evolved separately."

Awww, watching theologians trying to interpret science for their own preconceived notions is always so adorable. Convergence is quite easily explained through evolutionary mechanisms and does in no imaginable way require the added dead-weight of a God.

I'm afraid that the Catholic Church is no different that Intelligent Design at this point. Trying desperately and needlessly to inject the notion of God into scientific concept.

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2. Comment #33920 by Homo economicus on April 22, 2007 at 5:16 pm

 avatarI found the article a bit strange for not mentioning Dawkins.

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3. Comment #33925 by Spinoza on April 22, 2007 at 5:41 pm

 avatarThe world is more and more idiotic every fucking day.

I wouldn't care so much if it weren't so damned painful to see intelligence squandered and all the advances of the Enlightenment crashing down around us all...

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4. Comment #33926 by Jolly Wally on April 22, 2007 at 5:42 pm

The entire creationism movement is nothing short of embarrassing. Let this pathetic bigotry be revealed, and let it then come crashing down.

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5. Comment #33930 by Hip_Priest on April 22, 2007 at 5:56 pm

Only a handful of the world's 2 billion Christians will be able to make sense of his intricate intellectual arguments


So that's why we don't understand his vague ramblings intellectual arguments. They're just so damn intricate.

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6. Comment #33934 by Rtambree on April 22, 2007 at 6:06 pm

Sounds like we're going backwards to before 1859 again.

Atheism and secularism peaked in the 1960s and 1970s, and we're having a (hopefully temporary) setback.

Chin up. At least Copernicus & Galileo aren't being challenged yet.

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7. Comment #33936 by Geoff on April 22, 2007 at 6:26 pm

 avatar"...if the Christian church teaches things about the physical world which are manifestly false, then everything else the church teaches might be discredited too."

Quite.


Some people still don't get it, though.

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8. Comment #33968 by Ichneumonid on April 22, 2007 at 11:21 pm

 avatarRtambree

Chin up. At least Copernicus & Galileo aren't being challenged yet.


Unfortunately not - for a laugh go to:

http://www.reformation.org/stationary-earth.html

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9. Comment #33970 by Pieter on April 22, 2007 at 11:30 pm

anyone find it kind of hypocritical that the pope requires an impossibly high burden of proof for evolution (like seeing a process requiring billions of years being reproduced in a lab experiment) but requires absolutely no proof for accepting religious theories.

wait a minute, of course we all do. ~Pieter

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10. Comment #33973 by relevo on April 22, 2007 at 11:50 pm

Their ideas are flourishing and their numbers growing. As Mr Krauss has caustically argued, the anti-evolution movement is itself a prime example of evolution and adaptability—defeated in one arena, it will resurface elsewhere. ... Whether they are atheists or theists, other supporters of Darwin's ideas on natural selection will have to inspire as well as inform if they are to compete with their growing army of foes.

Yep, it's an information dissemination issue. There's the continual barrage of indoctrination from religious people on the world, as well as the lack of feel-good secularist solutions to life's obstacles that have kept the world from moving on to something honestly better. Atheists simply haven't accrued enough positively effective media resources to inspire large enough noticeable difference in people's psychology, otherwise poetically identified as 'hearts'.

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11. Comment #33979 by JDAM on April 23, 2007 at 12:18 am

The pedantic indulgence in the ancient art of High Cockalorum is obviously alive and well at the Vatican. "Only a handful of the world's 2 Billion Christians will be able to make sense
of his intricate intellectual arguments". Those, of course will be the same people who understand perfectly the sentence, "I had one grunch but the eggplant over there." The main reason? This esoteric group can claim sense in that sentence but when pressed to expound on it will simply say, "Sorry...I'm afraid my explanation will be just too intricately intellectual for you, so any attempt would be a waste of time for both of us."
These will also be the same folks who claim perfect sense in the belief (as one poster on this site recently and hilariously put it) that ultimate salvation by a "magic flying Jew who saves the world by getting nailed to a tree" is as solid a belief as could ever be expounded, and worthy of complete, unquestioned acceptance.

Proponents of this trash have got to exist in a parallel universe. What other explanation could explain their dogged continuance of such abject silliness in the face of challenges mounted by Dawkins, Harris, Dennet and hundreds of thousands of REALLY intelligent and intellectual folks all over this planet? I mean, to have the jutzpah to say that their explanations are the penultimate ones but it's just too damned bad that all the rest of us stupid jerks can't comprehend what they are saying...

"I had one grunch, but the eggplant over there!"

Indeed!

Well, this Stupid Jerk is again forced to conclude that, as usual, such expounders of this brand of High Cockalorum are indulging in an ever more twisted and convoluted attempt to make bullshit reality so that the anachronistic superstitions their creaking institutions are founded on will hold for another millenium. I hope I have made myself clear...

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12. Comment #33983 by ferfuracious on April 23, 2007 at 12:41 am

~For Father Coyne, belief in man's unique status is entirely consistent with an evolutionary view of life. "The fact we are at the end of this marvellous process is something that glorifies us," he says.~

What a moron. If we are at then 'end' of the marvellous process of evolution, then so is every contemporary virus, bacterium and yeast. Evolution wasn't pointed at the eventual goal of humanity, we are simply one of its current products, like every other species.

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13. Comment #34013 by PaulJ on April 23, 2007 at 3:28 am

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...the manner in which life developed was indicative of a "divine reason" which could not be discerned by scientific methods alone.
Or any other methods, least of all 'theology'.
As Father Fessio observes, Catholics accept three different ways of learning about reality: empirical observation, direct revelations from God and, between those two categories, "natural philosophy"—the ability of human reason to discern divine reason in the created universe.
If I may offer a fourth: 'Let's just make stuff up.'

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14. Comment #34025 by AnatheistinNigeria on April 23, 2007 at 4:26 am

The battle lines are now more clearly being drawn with well funded Christian and Muslim organisations convincing their flock that evolution is wrong. The question: "Where do we come from " is essential to keep their people believing. Without this argument, their dogmas will collapse. And they know it and they are scared of it.

Here in Nigeria when I engage people in the argument on the existence of god I am often asked: "So if you do not believe in God, then who created people, who created the world". None of these people have ever heard of the big bang theory and that we are made of star dust and only have the faintest, mostly faulty notions about evolution. That makes it hard to give a short coherent response.

Given the funding available to them and the lack of knowledge on the greatest scientific stories ever told by the majority of believers, they may be very succeful.

Even more so because even in the West I see a reluctance to teach evolution and cosmology, I am afraid out of deference to our own religious sub-groups. If I hadn't taken care of teaching my own children about these things, their school definitely would not have told them.

A worrying situation.

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15. Comment #34037 by Ohnhai on April 23, 2007 at 4:54 am

 avatarHomo E:

Dawkins was mentioned, but not by name.

"(Some scientists and philosophers go further, dismissing religion itself as a phenomenon brought about by man's evolutionary needs.)"

This directly his stance in the God Delusion. I think we can also safely bundle Harris and Dennett into this quote too.

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16. Comment #34038 by dancingthemantaray on April 23, 2007 at 4:59 am

"Man is the only creature on earth that God willed for his own sake,"


and atheists are accused of being arrogant...

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17. Comment #34079 by Seti on April 23, 2007 at 6:41 am

 avatarDid anyone think it was going to be easy to get rid of all this superstitious clap-trap? Just show 'em a few fossils and they'd go, "Oh ye-e-es, I see it all now." Religion has always been about power, and those who have that power, or hope to get a share of it, are not going to release their grip easily. It's frustrating to have to re-fight battles we thought were more-or-less won, but we have to be in this for the long haul.

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18. Comment #34081 by wolf1168 on April 23, 2007 at 6:43 am

Though the Economist is very good at what they do I get the feeling that this report was somewhat sympathetic to the the creationists as opposed to their normal attempt at neutrality.

Maybe this rise in religious claptrap is just another sign that the end is near *smile*

I know this has been said here before but I just have to say it again. If the creationists are right then they need to quit going to doctors asking for drugs because without Darwinian thinking none of the drugs we know today would exist.

Which leads us to what someone may have said (I never have found attribution): "When a small man casts a long shadow the sun is assuredly setting."

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19. Comment #34082 by rabbitpirate on April 23, 2007 at 6:57 am

"In his native Turkey there are many people, including devout Muslims, who feel uncomfortable about the 51-year-old Mr Oktar's strong appeal to young women and his political sympathies for the nationalist right. But across the Muslim world he seems to be riding high. Many of the most popular Islamic websites refer readers to his vast canon."

Sorry to lower to tone, and with my first ever post as well, but am I the only one who thinks there may be some correlation between "Mr Oktar's strong appeal to young women" and "his vast canon" that Islamic websites can't help but talk about?

After I read that I just couldn't take the rest of the article seriously, not that it really warranted it in the first place...and that's me banned from another forum no doubt!!!

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20. Comment #34119 by stuartM02 on April 23, 2007 at 9:47 am

Damm rabbitpirate you beat me too it. I just could concentrate reading the rest of the artical after reading of his impressive "vast cannon".

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21. Comment #34123 by Ian in OH on April 23, 2007 at 9:58 am

"...man evolved purely as the result of a process of random selection."

Mutations are random, natural selection most definitely is not. Why is this so difficult for people to get?

Also, the amazing, although unsurprising thing is that from the Pope to the Archbishop of Canterbury to the heads of the Discovery Institute, if illness strikes, they all get treated by doctors using principles of biology, biochemistry, physiology, and anatomy, all of which are natural sciences that are only made sense of, individually and working together, within an evolutionary context.

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22. Comment #34131 by konquererz on April 23, 2007 at 10:18 am

 avatarUmm, I went to that website in post 8 and I am a bit unnerved!

I really never thought there was someone that would really disagree with the round earth or heliocentric solar system theory. But what we can all benefit from that site is the understanding of what christians really need to believe if they believe all of the bible and not just what they want to believe.

That dude is still a crack pot.

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23. Comment #34405 by padster1976 on April 24, 2007 at 1:38 am

 avatarI like the way the pope will state that 'evolution cannot be conclusively proved'.

If only he'd look at his own beliefs with the same degree of scrutiny!

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24. Comment #34446 by Roy_H on April 24, 2007 at 5:18 am

 avatarBut this is really how everything began ("big bang" LOL )

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/fg-christianity-p1.php

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25. Comment #34461 by mrjonno on April 24, 2007 at 6:23 am

Mutations are random, natural selection most definitely is not. Why is this so difficult for people to get?


Because that statement requires a lot of intellectual thought. I am well educated with a Physics degree and currently are reading 'The Selfish Gene at the moment With effort and some thought I am getting a basic grasp of it but you think you're average muppet is going to do this , of course not 'God did it', so much simpler (and absurd)

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26. Comment #34494 by infidel_michael on April 24, 2007 at 8:22 am

"The fact we are at the end of this marvellous process is something that glorifies us,"

Some remarks:
- Where is the end of a tree?
- How do you know, that evolution stopped?
- If evolution is at the end, why the human DNA still mutates?
- How can a fact "glorify" us (anything)? Only humans glorify humans.

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27. Comment #34569 by Nails on April 24, 2007 at 2:27 pm

 avatar9. Comment #33970 by Pieter on April 22, 2007 at 11:30 pm

anyone find it kind of hypocritical that the pope requires an impossibly high burden of proof for evolution (like seeing a process requiring billions of years being reproduced in a lab experiment) but requires absolutely no proof for accepting religious theories.

"For a believer no proof is necessary, and for a sceptic no proof is ever enough." Derek Acorah

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