Shout your doubt out loud, my fellow unbelievers2. Comment #34601 by denoir on April 24, 2007 at 4:10 pm
3. Comment #34602 by MIND_REBEL on April 24, 2007 at 4:12 pm
4. Comment #34604 by Devolution on April 24, 2007 at 4:14 pm
5. Comment #34606 by denoir on April 24, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Great article. It is so refreshing to see this type of journalism in the US.
If you look at the way natives lived before the white man forced religion into thier minds they were some of the most peaceful, rationial beings without unequal distrubutions of wealth, violence, racism, sexism or any other irrationial memes that plagues theistic society.
6. Comment #34608 by Russell Blackford on April 24, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Sorry, Mind Rebel, but I'm just not buying the whole noble savage thing.7. Comment #34612 by GoodbyeGodNZ on April 24, 2007 at 5:07 pm
8. Comment #34613 by Aaron SF on April 24, 2007 at 5:08 pm
9. Comment #34617 by roach on April 24, 2007 at 5:38 pm
Russell Blackford said: "I'm just not buying the whole noble savage thing."10. Comment #34620 by Goodwithwood on April 24, 2007 at 5:50 pm
11. Comment #34622 by Veronique on April 24, 2007 at 6:04 pm
12. Comment #34626 by Yorker on April 24, 2007 at 6:12 pm
3. Comment #34602 by MIND_REBEL13. Comment #34627 by Shuggy on April 24, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Theism was actually an improvement on the rationality scale as it compartmentalized and structured the superstitions.
14. Comment #34642 by Laurence Boyce on April 24, 2007 at 6:45 pm
15. Comment #34653 by hightrekker on April 24, 2007 at 7:53 pm
All I can say, in frustration to this superstition based reality--16. Comment #34660 by nerdfiles on April 24, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Nice article.17. Comment #34662 by mmurray on April 24, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Matthew Parris
Matthew Parris joined The Times as parliamentary sketchwriter in 1988, a role he held until 2001. He had formerly worked for the Foreign Office and been a Conservative MP from 1979-86. He has published many books on travel and politics and an autobiography, Chance Witness, for which he won the 2004 Orwell Prize. His diary appears in The Times on Thursdays, and his Opinion column on Saturdays
18. Comment #34671 by Prieten on April 24, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Re: Noble Savages19. Comment #34672 by denoir on April 24, 2007 at 9:22 pm
I don't get that, can you spell it out a bit? One god is more rational than several?
20. Comment #34675 by Veronique on April 24, 2007 at 9:40 pm
21. Comment #34680 by Veronique on April 24, 2007 at 10:15 pm
22. Comment #34681 by Roy_H on April 24, 2007 at 10:25 pm
23. Comment #34690 by Veronique on April 24, 2007 at 11:57 pm
24. Comment #34699 by fonex_86 on April 25, 2007 at 12:33 am
How do we reply? An ad hominem response would be to remark that when the Church had the upper hand it was happy to persecute, imprison or behead non-believers and fight crusades against other religions. Now it has lost its boss status it simply asks us to keep our opinions to ourselves (but still wants laws to criminalise us for mocking its pretensions).
25. Comment #34701 by eno on April 25, 2007 at 12:37 am
Wonderful to read an uplifting article on the Big A and especially refreshing in The Times. Three cheers for Matthew Parry!26. Comment #34718 by Coel on April 25, 2007 at 1:55 am
To weefree:27. Comment #34723 by scottishgeologist on April 25, 2007 at 2:07 am
28. Comment #34734 by Yorker on April 25, 2007 at 2:53 am
28. Comment #34723 by scottishgeologist29. Comment #34735 by Yorker on April 25, 2007 at 3:06 am
20. Comment #34675 by Veronique30. Comment #34739 by Yorker on April 25, 2007 at 3:32 am
27. Comment #34718 by Coel31. Comment #34744 by scottishgeologist on April 25, 2007 at 4:22 am
32. Comment #34748 by _J_ on April 25, 2007 at 5:23 am
33. Comment #34750 by _J_ on April 25, 2007 at 5:30 am
34. Comment #34754 by newatheist on April 25, 2007 at 5:44 am
35. Comment #34757 by Suffolk Blue on April 25, 2007 at 5:49 am
OK, weefree - I'm struggling here to work out what you find wrong with the Nietzsche quote "I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty – I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind…" Sounds reasonable enough to me.36. Comment #34780 by Suffolk Blue on April 25, 2007 at 8:25 am
Weefree:37. Comment #34782 by GodlessHeathen on April 25, 2007 at 8:30 am
weefree: Yes - I thought it might. Another man thought Nietzsche was spot on in his analysis of Christianity and he was prepared to take advice about using any expedient to get rid of it. First of all he went for the Jews - his name was Hitler. If you really think there is nothing wrong with Neitzsche's opinion then you have just proved my view point that fundamentalist atheism is not only intolerant but dangerous.That leap from someone agreeing with Nietzsche on that point to a comparison with Hitler is nothing more than ad hominem. It contributes nothing to the debate, and it is the sort of thing you are in the habit of doing. This is why you get labeled a troll.
38. Comment #34783 by epeeist on April 25, 2007 at 8:30 am
it is slightly worrying that Mr Parris cites Nietzsche in his support. This is the same Nietzsche who wrote "I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty – I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind…"
39. Comment #34785 by BillySands on April 25, 2007 at 8:37 am
40. Comment #34788 by Coel on April 25, 2007 at 8:44 am
Dear Weefree:41. Comment #34791 by Coel on April 25, 2007 at 8:50 am
To weefree:42. Comment #34792 by Peacebeuponme on April 25, 2007 at 8:52 am
WeeFree - I'm pretty new to this commentposting game, but isn't there a general rule that the first person to ad hominem using Hitler automatically loses the argument?43. Comment #34793 by _J_ on April 25, 2007 at 8:53 am
44. Comment #34794 by _J_ on April 25, 2007 at 9:01 am
45. Comment #34795 by edge100 on April 25, 2007 at 9:01 am
I am, once again, late in joining this thread, but...Yes - I thought it might. Another man thought Nietzsche was spot on in his analysis of Christianity and he was prepared to take advice about using any expedient to get rid of it. First of all he went for the Jews - his name was Hitler. If you really think there is nothing wrong with Neitzsche's opinion then you have just proved my view point that fundamentalist atheism is not only intolerant but dangerous.
"Since the evidence actually is wholly on the side of atheism"
No there's a fundamentalist statement if ever I heard one. How sweet and reassuring for the believers.
46. Comment #34796 by Vinelectric on April 25, 2007 at 9:02 am
47. Comment #34798 by scottishgeologist on April 25, 2007 at 9:08 am
48. Comment #34799 by Peacebeuponme on April 25, 2007 at 9:12 am
Godwin's Law - that's what I was getting at. Thanks edge100.49. Comment #34804 by Fedler on April 25, 2007 at 9:42 am
50. Comment #34805 by commonhumanity on April 25, 2007 at 10:01 am
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