Army to EO Reps: 'Discrimination Against Atheists OK'
It was bad enough when Army chaplains and leaders like Chief of the National Guard Bureau Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum were disparaging atheists in the press. It was bad enough when my formal EO complaint was thrown away by the National Guard Bureau EO office. It was bad enough when the Department of the Army Inspector General's office refused to follow regulations and send me a written response to my formal EO complaint. It was bad enough when I had to file for documents pertaining to my complaint under the Freedom of Information Act to discover its disposition. It was bad enough when those documents revealed that, despite the unlawful discrimination that had occurred according to Army Regulation 600-20, the Army concluded that "Lt. Gen. Blum's remarks, though perhaps insensitive, did not rise to the level of an offense".2. Comment #36284 by mdowe on April 30, 2007 at 7:43 pm
3. Comment #36285 by wagnerpe on April 30, 2007 at 7:52 pm
I had an army officer come to speak to my class about a medical school scholarship for students. He said "if you have DWI's, whatever," that they can just ignore them. I guess it's better to have convicted criminals in the army than people who have no belief in the afterlife.4. Comment #36290 by krogercomplete on April 30, 2007 at 8:33 pm
At least they are not claiming atheism is a religion like so many other theists do. Silver lining.5. Comment #36299 by will young on April 30, 2007 at 9:20 pm
6. Comment #36303 by Goodwithwood on April 30, 2007 at 9:28 pm
7. Comment #36310 by chionactis on April 30, 2007 at 10:20 pm
8. Comment #36311 by Jolly Wally on April 30, 2007 at 10:26 pm
I hereby publicly declare that I am better than these people. There is nothing else to say.9. Comment #36313 by Shatite on April 30, 2007 at 10:35 pm
10. Comment #36320 by WTOC on April 30, 2007 at 11:07 pm
I retired from the Army in 2004. I knew LTG Blum before he became the Chief of the National Guard Bureau (NGB), where I had worked since 1997. Like most senior military officers, he became increasingly politically correct while rising in rank. I too found the comments he made last year quite offensive, although I do not believe it was intentionally delivered as so. The directors and Chief of the NGB) all have speech writers. LTG Blum was speaking to a group of African American military members, thus using religion as a common thread to communicate effectively. Like it or not, this was the case.11. Comment #36357 by Buddha on May 1, 2007 at 1:42 am
12. Comment #36377 by CloudedHills on May 1, 2007 at 2:38 am
13. Comment #36422 by _J_ on May 1, 2007 at 4:56 am
14. Comment #36425 by Dizzlski on May 1, 2007 at 5:05 am
As a member of the US Navy, and a non-believer, this disturbs me greatly. I get the feeling that were I to believe in one of the non-bible religions it wouldn't be any better. One simply has to spend 2 minutes in the chaplains office of the building I work in to see which religions they endorse. There are literally hundreds of christian publications, boxes upon boxes of little copies of the gospel and psalms; many in desert camouflage. There is one copy of the tanak, and no other religion is represented. Not to mention the multiple pamphlets scattered through out the building directing you to the chaplain or a church (christian) when experiencing loss or grief. And you cannot even imagine the anti-islamic grumblings I hear throughout many of the enlisted ranks.15. Comment #36465 by Smith on May 1, 2007 at 8:08 am
16. Comment #36611 by DNAtheist on May 1, 2007 at 6:19 pm
mdowe wrote
This is just warped -- especially when you consider the US army has loosened regulations about accepting people with criminal records (see: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/2/14/111649/573 ). It sounds like the US military establishment can forgive ex-cons, but they have a problem treating law-abiding atheists with the same respect given to the religious?
17. Comment #37084 by Gustaf Sjoblom on May 3, 2007 at 10:58 am
This story is compleately unbelieveable. How can america be about 100 years behind the rest of the western world in these issues?
1. Comment #36283 by Pastor's_Son on April 30, 2007 at 7:38 pm
I found my atheism after my enlistment was over, but I still work with the Army and find this view to be the norm. This gentlemen is a hero to atheists everywhere and should be treated as one.Other Comments by Pastor's_Son