Religion's Misguided Missiles2. Comment #285775 by decius on November 17, 2008 at 3:22 pm
3. Comment #285797 by Corylus on November 17, 2008 at 4:01 pm
There are very specific instances when we as Christians are allowed to kill (in a time of war for example, killing not civilians, but an armed enemy) but murder is always a sin. What those terrorists did was a sin plain and simple. Thus, "suicide bombings" are a sin problem and not a religion problem. It may be a problem with that specific religion that encourages such acts, but it is not a problem with religion as a whole. You also say that the teaching of an afterlife is very dangerous. It is dangerous in the case of Islam, because they believe that by killing yourself and some of the "infidels" you will grant yourself access to the 72 virgins.However, Christianity contains no such teachings. By killing yourself, you have committed one great, final sin and have denied yourself access to heaven. You will be condemned to hell for all eternity. Not a happy thought. The Bible teaches that we should not attempt to harm our enemies in any way, but rather pray for them.Well that's Samson stuffed...
25And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport. And they called for Samson out of the prison house; and he made them sport: and they set him between the pillars.You reckon he's in hell?
26And Samson said unto the lad that held him by the hand, Suffer me that I may feel the pillars whereupon the house standeth, that I may lean upon them.
27Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines were there; and there were upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.
28And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
29And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.
30And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
Judges 16: 25-30
4. Comment #285798 by Goldy on November 17, 2008 at 4:04 pm
The Bible teaches that we should not attempt to harm our enemies in any way, but rather pray for them.So does the Koran. Apparently...
5. Comment #285801 by Goldy on November 17, 2008 at 4:10 pm
The Holocaust was created by a staunch atheist, Hitler
The term holocaust originally derived from the Greek word holókauston, meaning a "completely (holos) burnt (kaustos)" sacrificial offering to a god. Its Latin form (holocaustum) was first used with specific reference to a massacre of Jews by the chroniclers Roger of Howden[7] and Richard of Devizes in the 1190s.
The word "holocaust" has been used since the 18th century to refer to the violent deaths of a large number of people.[10] For example, Winston Churchill and other contemporaneous writers used it before World War II to describe the Armenian Genocide of World War I.[11] Since the 1950s its use has increasingly been restricted, with its usage now mainly used as a proper noun to describe the Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazi party.[citation needed]
6. Comment #286228 by jdbriggs on November 18, 2008 at 11:07 am
Goldy and Corylus-you both make very good points. The point about Samson is particularly good. I'll have to research that. I'll have to look into that about the Koran teaching Muslims to pray for their enemies. Do you really believe that if you've been a Catholic once then you can never go to any other religion? That's interesting, because that means that Marie Curie is technically not even an atheist, or even an agnostic. She should still be considered a Catholic even though she became an agnostic as a teenager. I'm sorry, I'll remember to define my terms more carefully next time. I was referring to the massacre of countless Jews by Adolf Hitler during WWII.7. Comment #286236 by the great teapot on November 18, 2008 at 11:28 am
Jdbriggs8. Comment #286237 by Roger Stanyard on November 18, 2008 at 11:28 am
9. Comment #286239 by severalspeciesof on November 18, 2008 at 11:38 am
10. Comment #286241 by Roger Stanyard on November 18, 2008 at 11:43 am
11. Comment #286253 by mitch_486 on November 18, 2008 at 12:07 pm
What those terrorists did was a sin plain and simple. Thus, "suicide bombings" are a sin problem and not a religion problem
12. Comment #286428 by the great teapot on November 18, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Viva la quince brigade.
1. Comment #285774 by jdbriggs on November 17, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Professor Dawkins,By using your same line of reasoning, one can conclude that if religious people don't value their own lives, secular humanists do. However, while secular humanists may value their own lives, they don't value the lives of others. This can be demonstrated by the Holocaust, or more recently, abortion. The Holocaust was created by a staunch atheist, Hitler. Also, today many people are saying that because they don't want to have a baby, they should be able to kill it to preserve their own happiness. Who supports abortion and who does not? In addition, there has been a recent movement by secular humanists seeking to legalize euthanasia. I would propose that there have been thousands more deaths caused by secular humanism than have been caused by religion. I'm sure several people will bring up the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition. They may even go all the way back to ancient civilizations sacrificing people, but I could also bring up the millions killed by communist dictators such as Stalin. Another argument that you use that simply doesn't work is lumping all religions together. By saying that religious people don't value their lives, you assume that all religions are the same. As a Christian, I myself believe that it is extremely wrong to kill others, or yourself for the simple reason that all humans are made in the image of God. There are very specific instances when we as Christians are allowed to kill (in a time of war for example, killing not civilians, but an armed enemy) but murder is always a sin. What those terrorists did was a sin plain and simple. Thus, "suicide bombings" are a sin problem and not a religion problem. It may be a problem with that specific religion that encourages such acts, but it is not a problem with religion as a whole. You also say that the teaching of an afterlife is very dangerous. It is dangerous in the case of Islam, because they believe that by killing yourself and some of the "infidels" you will grant yourself access to the 72 virgins. However, Christianity contains no such teachings. By killing yourself, you have committed one great, final sin and have denied yourself access to heaven. You will be condemned to hell for all eternity. Not a happy thought. The Bible teaches that we should not attempt to harm our enemies in any way, but rather pray for them.
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