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Unfortunately she makes a salient point. You've got to keep trying though eh?3. Comment #38160 by Caesar Best on May 7, 2007 at 6:27 am
"In recent years, research has thrown up some remarkable benefits - the faithful live longer, recover from surgery quicker, are happier, less prone to mental illness and so the list goes on. If religion declines, what gaps does it leave in the functioning of individuals and social groups?"4. Comment #38163 by Mash on May 7, 2007 at 6:41 am
"This isn't the kind of debate that the New Atheists are interested in (...); theirs is a political battle, not an attempt to advance human understanding."5. Comment #38164 by youmemeyou on May 7, 2007 at 6:45 am
I happen to agree with her assessment that many atheists do not prove their familiarity with the kind of games played mystical language. There is also an extent of naive demonization of all religious historical influences.6. Comment #38167 by Paul Nettleship on May 7, 2007 at 6:56 am
7. Comment #38168 by Magpie on May 7, 2007 at 6:58 am
8. Comment #38170 by mikehicks55 on May 7, 2007 at 7:02 am
Ms Bunting seems to believe that Atheists shouldn't be as passionate about their "disbelief" as the religious are about their faiths.9. Comment #38172 by Dax on May 7, 2007 at 7:05 am
Funny how proof of "deconversion" is demanded but proof of existence of a fictional, infinitely improbable and infinitely cruel deity is not required.10. Comment #38173 by jaytee_555 on May 7, 2007 at 7:09 am
"These increasingly hysterical books may boost the pension...."11. Comment #38174 by Robert Maynard on May 7, 2007 at 7:09 am
12. Comment #38175 by Serious on May 7, 2007 at 7:12 am
The Guardian seems to be a steady source of some of the worst of this kind of aggressive anti-Atheist articles. How come?13. Comment #38178 by FightingFalcon on May 7, 2007 at 7:19 am
14. Comment #38179 by youmemeyou on May 7, 2007 at 7:20 am
I'd say that positive scientific works have done more to supplant my theological superstition than philosophy. If the non-existent 'religion of atheism' has nothing to offer (being absent), atheists do not lack.15. Comment #38181 by Captain Yesterday on May 7, 2007 at 7:20 am
16. Comment #38184 by HunterZolomon on May 7, 2007 at 7:27 am
17. Comment #38187 by Stuart Paul Wood on May 7, 2007 at 7:31 am
Funny how someone's trying to deride atheism as a money making exercise!! Oh the scandal!18. Comment #38188 by Corylus on May 7, 2007 at 7:31 am
19. Comment #38190 by Snomann32 on May 7, 2007 at 7:36 am
The writings of Richard Dawkins were of significant importance in my "conversion" to atheism, although it was more of a process than an event. How do I provide "proof" about this, however?20. Comment #38191 by Mr. Mark on May 7, 2007 at 7:41 am
"If religion declines, what gaps does it leave in the functioning of individuals and social groups?"21. Comment #38193 by BaronOchs on May 7, 2007 at 7:42 am
By proof, I wonder what she means? A scanned copy of a receipt for TGD? Three photos of yourself, first with a Bible, then The God Delusion, then nothing, and ..a smile?
22. Comment #38194 by Keinen_Gott on May 7, 2007 at 7:46 am
Let the 21st be the century of a new enlightenment; the century we all, as a race, realised that we must get rid of all forms of religious dogma if we are to survive each other. If this is not so we all will surely die in some form of a religious war or genocide. I can see in the not so distant future a war called WW3(christianity vs Islam). Let us all hope that this is not so.23. Comment #38195 by Stuart Paul Wood on May 7, 2007 at 7:48 am
Corylus:24. Comment #38200 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 7:58 am
25. Comment #38201 by hightrekker on May 7, 2007 at 8:01 am
We must realize the toxic parasites (religion) that are colonizing these poor hosts (believers) will not let them think critically, as it threatens their replication and survival.26. Comment #38202 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 8:05 am
27. Comment #38205 by squinky on May 7, 2007 at 8:09 am
28. Comment #38206 by Grandt on May 7, 2007 at 8:09 am
I've always found it hilarious when 'believers' claim that atheists don't know about religion, and as such shouldn't comment on it.29. Comment #38207 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 7, 2007 at 8:11 am
30. Comment #38208 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 8:15 am
31. Comment #38210 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 7, 2007 at 8:27 am
32. Comment #38211 by TrashcanMan79 on May 7, 2007 at 8:30 am
It's funny that those who have the most to lose by the success of the 'New Atheists,' are the ones criticising them for utilizing ineffective methods. Could it be that, despite their tone, the New Atheists are having success, and their critics are just fearful that their hostility will be contagious?33. Comment #38212 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 8:30 am
34. Comment #38213 by BaronOchs on May 7, 2007 at 8:37 am
35. Comment #38214 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 8:40 am
36. Comment #38215 by rokort on May 7, 2007 at 8:41 am
37. Comment #38216 by troodon on May 7, 2007 at 8:42 am
"Yet The God Delusion is not a book of persuasion, but of provocation - it may have sold in the thousands but has it won any souls? "38. Comment #38217 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 8:44 am
39. Comment #38218 by scooternyc on May 7, 2007 at 8:52 am
40. Comment #38220 by ghostbuster on May 7, 2007 at 8:57 am
Sounds to me the only hysterical thing I see here is the article itself--or perhps Ms. Bunting having a difficult time while in the process of denial.41. Comment #38221 by steve99 on May 7, 2007 at 8:59 am
42. Comment #38222 by Robert Maynard on May 7, 2007 at 9:00 am
Why not say, "... be ethical to imprison people for believing them". And even that change is a bit redolent of tyranny.It is already policy for Western society to keep a close eye on people who, through their beliefs or their actions, pose a threat to themselves and others. This has traditionally been reserved for people with severe psychological dysfunction, and few people dispute that it is ethical to isolate unfortunate people whose minds are dangerously impaired.
43. Comment #38223 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 9:01 am
44. Comment #38224 by scooternyc on May 7, 2007 at 9:03 am
45. Comment #38226 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 9:15 am
46. Comment #38227 by Mikado on May 7, 2007 at 9:16 am
In recent years, research has thrown up some remarkable benefits - the faithful live longer, recover from surgery quicker, are happier, less prone to mental illness and so the list goes on.
47. Comment #38229 by Luthien on May 7, 2007 at 9:19 am
19. Comment #38188 by Corylus on May 7, 2007 at 7:31 am
I also have the Koran in my 'to read' pile, but I admit I haven't worked up the guts to wade through it yet. Every quote I have read from it depresses me and I fear it will be more of the same. Maybe I should take a leaf out of Hitchens book and do it on Dutch courage? Even if that does mean that I will be damned to hell before I start :)
48. Comment #38230 by Tukka on May 7, 2007 at 9:23 am
What's clear is that this wave of New Atheism is deeply political - and against some of its targets even a devout churchgoer might cheer them on. What they all have in common is a loathing of an increasing religiosity in US politics, which has contributed to a disastrous presidency and undermined scientific understanding. Dennett excoriates the madness of a faith that looks forward to the end of the world and the return of the messiah. What Dawkins hates is that most Americans still haven't accepted evolution and support the teaching of intelligent design; according to one poll, 50% of the US electorate believe the story of Noah.
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Scientists have argued that faith was a byproduct of our development of the imagination or a way of increasing the social bonding mechanisms. Does that make religion an important evolutionary step but now no longer needed - the equivalent of the appendix? Or a crucial part of the explanation for successful human evolution to date? Does religion still have an important role in human wellbeing? In recent years, research has thrown up some remarkable benefits - the faithful live longer, recover from surgery quicker, are happier, less prone to mental illness and so the list goes on. If religion declines, what gaps does it leave in the functioning of individuals and social groups?
This isn't the kind of debate that the New Atheists are interested in (with the possible exception of Dennett, who in an interview last year was far more open to discussion than his book would indicate); theirs is a political battle, not an attempt to advance human understanding.
49. Comment #38231 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 7, 2007 at 9:25 am
50. Comment #38232 by maton100 on May 7, 2007 at 9:29 am
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1. Comment #38154 by Prospero on May 7, 2007 at 6:16 am
"Anyone who has experienced such a conversion, please email me (with proof)."Yes, proofs are important.
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