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2. Comment #39710 by shemp333 on May 11, 2007 at 5:32 pm
3. Comment #39712 by Jolly Wally on May 11, 2007 at 5:35 pm
I've got a better idea: lose your religion; become real.4. Comment #39714 by melisande on May 11, 2007 at 5:48 pm
5. Comment #39717 by HappyPrimate on May 11, 2007 at 6:07 pm
6. Comment #39718 by Bonzai on May 11, 2007 at 6:10 pm
7. Comment #39721 by Shuggy on May 11, 2007 at 6:12 pm
8. Comment #39725 by Bonzai on May 11, 2007 at 6:15 pm
9. Comment #39728 by Russell Blackford on May 11, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Religion is not the origin of the kind of male sexual jealousy that leads to the emphasis on virginity etc., but patriarchal cultural systems that make such a huge issue of it, and sex-obsessed religions that condemn "unchaste" behaviour by women by divine authority co-evolve.10. Comment #39732 by Bonzai on May 11, 2007 at 6:45 pm
11. Comment #39740 by Ohnhai on May 11, 2007 at 7:47 pm
12. Comment #39745 by stvlntin on May 11, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Bonzai13. Comment #39746 by Bonzai on May 11, 2007 at 8:38 pm
14. Comment #39747 by Russell Blackford on May 11, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Bonzai, I don't know much about the cultural situation in Japan, but from what's been stated here you are correct, i.e. religion is not the only means by which some attitudes to women's sexuality persist. That's worth knowing. (Although I see that it's now being said above that it's a thing of the past.)15. Comment #39750 by Shuggy on May 11, 2007 at 9:02 pm
I don't think these women do this to fool themselves.
"I'm glad I had it done," said the woman, "I wanted to reconstruct part of my life, to reconstruct myself so that I could feel better about myself."
16. Comment #39769 by Veronique on May 11, 2007 at 10:16 pm
17. Comment #39772 by Bonzai on May 11, 2007 at 10:47 pm
18. Comment #39777 by MrEmpirical on May 11, 2007 at 10:59 pm
While we're tossing around piss-weak anecdotal evidence, my friend's girlfriend is Japanese and apparently they go off like a jackhammer in the sack. Oh, and he's black, so yeah...19. Comment #39785 by Goodwithwood on May 11, 2007 at 11:19 pm
20. Comment #39791 by Big T on May 12, 2007 at 12:08 am
Comment #39769 by Veronique: So men are (with very few exceptions) not worth the effort, because we can't perform up to your standards. Thanks for the affirmation. You are so sweet.21. Comment #39794 by petermun on May 12, 2007 at 12:32 am
Whoops - has this transformed into the Cosmo site - real evidence of transubstantiation? Wow.22. Comment #39797 by Richard Morgan on May 12, 2007 at 12:50 am
Apparently some western women also resort to surgery to give people (men?) the impression that they have large breasts.And others have the skin on their faces stretched to con people into believing that they are younger than their real age.23. Comment #39802 by Veronique on May 12, 2007 at 1:21 am
24. Comment #39815 by jonecc on May 12, 2007 at 3:07 am
Note to Americans and Australians:25. Comment #39816 by Duff on May 12, 2007 at 3:18 am
Veronique,26. Comment #39822 by jonecc on May 12, 2007 at 3:41 am
Actually, I think the preoccupation with female virginity is mainly about property and inheritance.27. Comment #39837 by Richard Morgan on May 12, 2007 at 4:40 am
Oh dear. Oh deary me.28. Comment #39839 by Luthien on May 12, 2007 at 4:50 am
29. Comment #39844 by Luthien on May 12, 2007 at 5:03 am
27. Comment #39837 by Richard Morgan on May 12, 2007 at 4:40 am
Talking about Cosmopolitan on a Richard Dawkins site is rather missing the point. Or perhaps not - from somebody for whom being "invisible" is a happy state.
30. Comment #39847 by MrEmpirical on May 12, 2007 at 5:17 am
Richard Morgan makes a good point about how the male insistence on virginal wives can be attributed to evolutionary forces. I think, in the case of re-hymenated Muslim women, it is a case of an evolutionary force being manifested as a religious/cultural practice.31. Comment #39848 by PaulJ on May 12, 2007 at 5:17 am
32. Comment #39947 by Sri Syadasti on May 12, 2007 at 11:21 am
33. Comment #40026 by Veronique on May 12, 2007 at 6:10 pm
34. Comment #40031 by Russell Blackford on May 12, 2007 at 6:35 pm
I don't doubt that male sexual jealousy enhances reproductive fitness, or did so in the environment of evolutionary adaptation. Yeah, maybe you were more likely to pass down your genes if you could manange to have sex with women who hadn't done it with too many other blokes and could be kept away from them. The more you can keep a woman's gametes to yourself - and keep them away from the semen of your pals Og, Gog, and Magog - the better, from the viewpoint of reproductive fitness.35. Comment #40035 by Bonzai on May 12, 2007 at 7:05 pm
36. Comment #40209 by catchy_nick on May 13, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Comment #39816 by Duff on May 12, 2007 at 3:18 am37. Comment #40210 by davyB on May 13, 2007 at 9:32 pm
"He would not accept a non-virgin."38. Comment #40227 by Richard Morgan on May 13, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Russell Blackford:Give me a sexually experienced woman who knows what she's doing any day.
39. Comment #40234 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 1:01 am
40. Comment #40236 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 1:15 am
41. Comment #40240 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 1:37 am
42. Comment #40241 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 1:41 am
43. Comment #40242 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 1:56 am
44. Comment #40243 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 2:17 am
45. Comment #40246 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 2:37 am
46. Comment #40248 by BaronOchs on May 14, 2007 at 2:58 am
47. Comment #40768 by Veronique on May 14, 2007 at 11:41 pm
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