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203. Comment #60057 by BAEOZ on July 31, 2007 at 5:33 pm
I'm 'a credit to this site'. Stick that in your pouch, marsupial.
204. Comment #60059 by Henri Bergson on July 31, 2007 at 5:37 pm
205. Comment #60062 by gr8hands on July 31, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Henri Bergson, you are incorrect in your assertion that Nietzsche was not an individualist. Schopenhauer als Erzieher (Schopenhauer as Educator), Jenseits von Gut und Böse. Vorspiel einer Philosophie der Zukunft (Beyond Good and Evil, Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future) are two of his seminal works where individualism and originality are touted as being almost supremely important -- this being a recurring theme in his writings.206. Comment #60063 by Henri Bergson on July 31, 2007 at 6:10 pm
207. Comment #60064 by Robert Maynard on July 31, 2007 at 6:11 pm
208. Comment #60065 by Charlou on July 31, 2007 at 6:15 pm
209. Comment #60066 by Graham on July 31, 2007 at 6:20 pm
210. Comment #60067 by BAEOZ on July 31, 2007 at 6:22 pm
It is not that much different from those who argue that some people might have a gentic predisposition towards a bad temper but that other factors can also contribute - both in a negative and positive way.
211. Comment #60071 by Yorker on July 31, 2007 at 7:04 pm
212. Comment #60072 by Yorker on July 31, 2007 at 7:07 pm
213. Comment #60073 by Charlou on July 31, 2007 at 7:15 pm
214. Comment #60074 by BAEOZ on July 31, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Actually, I'm just hiding my vampiric fangs so as not to alarm all you good mortals. ;)
I made the 60K comment, it's my prize, hands off!
If I fail at 19,999, you can have the rest. :)
215. Comment #60075 by Charlou on July 31, 2007 at 7:29 pm
216. Comment #60076 by BAEOZ on July 31, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Ahhh, I see symbiotic potential here - you with too much iron, me who can't get enough...Are you a smoker? ;)
217. Comment #60077 by Yorker on July 31, 2007 at 7:33 pm
218. Comment #60079 by gr8hands on July 31, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Henri Bergson -- you are wrong. Here is a translated text of §41:219. Comment #60084 by alovrin on July 31, 2007 at 9:58 pm
The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history. The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful. —Robert A. Heinlein
220. Comment #60103 by Henri Bergson on August 1, 2007 at 2:36 am
221. Comment #60105 by irate_atheist on August 1, 2007 at 2:49 am
222. Comment #60111 by scottishgeologist on August 1, 2007 at 3:14 am
223. Comment #60113 by Henri Bergson on August 1, 2007 at 3:22 am
224. Comment #60116 by _J_ on August 1, 2007 at 3:55 am
225. Comment #60118 by BillySands on August 1, 2007 at 4:09 am
I'm 'a credit to this site'.
226. Comment #60119 by Philip1978 on August 1, 2007 at 4:15 am
227. Comment #60121 by BillySands on August 1, 2007 at 4:17 am
228. Comment #60122 by irate_atheist on August 1, 2007 at 4:26 am
229. Comment #60123 by Quetzalcoatl on August 1, 2007 at 4:27 am
230. Comment #60124 by Philip1978 on August 1, 2007 at 4:28 am
231. Comment #60133 by BillySands on August 1, 2007 at 5:09 am
232. Comment #60134 by _J_ on August 1, 2007 at 5:31 am
233. Comment #60136 by Philip1978 on August 1, 2007 at 5:39 am
234. Comment #60137 by Philip1978 on August 1, 2007 at 5:46 am
235. Comment #60139 by Flagellant on August 1, 2007 at 5:52 am
236. Comment #60141 by BillySands on August 1, 2007 at 5:56 am
237. Comment #60143 by _J_ on August 1, 2007 at 6:00 am
238. Comment #60144 by _J_ on August 1, 2007 at 6:02 am
239. Comment #60145 by Dr Benway on August 1, 2007 at 6:06 am
...lapsang souchong is an objective and absolute wrong. I know this from personal introspection and from just knowing stuff.LOL. That's my favorite part of Dianelos' argument: How do we know what is objectively good, as opposed to merely subjectively good? By introspection.
240. Comment #60146 by huxley_leopard on August 1, 2007 at 6:08 am
As the communists used to say:241. Comment #60147 by Philip1978 on August 1, 2007 at 6:11 am
242. Comment #60148 by Quetzalcoatl on August 1, 2007 at 6:16 am
As the communists used to say:
"Proper tea is theft"
243. Comment #60150 by steve99 on August 1, 2007 at 6:21 am
244. Comment #60152 by BillySands on August 1, 2007 at 6:41 am
245. Comment #60153 by Quetzalcoatl on August 1, 2007 at 6:48 am
246. Comment #60155 by Flagellant on August 1, 2007 at 7:02 am
247. Comment #60156 by Quetzalcoatl on August 1, 2007 at 7:05 am
248. Comment #60158 by steve99 on August 1, 2007 at 7:16 am
249. Comment #60160 by Flagellant on August 1, 2007 at 7:17 am
250. Comment #60161 by Flagellant on August 1, 2007 at 7:23 am
201. Comment #60053 by Robert Maynard on July 31, 2007 at 5:14 pm
(Leave aside that people are less patient with him now, he has been corrected on all of these issues in the past by many individual people, and his latest was a dirty bomb of heavy stupid)
Oh, and apparently, the more people there are correcting his arguments or expressing exasperation, the better his argument becomes, because we're herding.
No, you say, in order to be truly "individualistic", everyone needs to develop unique opinions about everything, including the best way to make bread. Has anyone here tried including sand? Oh come on, don't follow the flour-herd!
In order to be "true" atheists (as you sickeningly declared yourself to be in another thread, at the exclusion of those present) we must all have non-overlapping, incompatible goals and beliefs!
This is false. It is as false as the notion (held in other social spheres) which demands individual fashion sense as a pre-requisite for a well defined self-identity.
Telling people to "become their own gods", or that you are "the true atheist here", is to call on people to be like you. "Once you are all like me, you will be true individualists!" Again, this is extremely silly and childish.
I have to ask, seeing you didn't respond to me last time, to what extent are you glorifying independence? And, given that you see it as a form of weakness, and a property of children and the elderly for example, do you think weakness is something to be protected or extirpated?
Ah, I see, so according to you, 'individuality' is a relative function which fluctuates depending on company and context.
SO, a minister for a religion whose general adherents are the most populous on the planet, and whose beliefs are in alignment with those of his faith, is an individual so long as he is alone on an atheist website, surrounded by atheists. Clever! Or not.
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