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Those with a god have a head start in their acceptance of all sorts of other off-the-wall superstitious beliefs - (or so my crystal pyramid suggests).103. Comment #62043 by TorgoSlayer on August 8, 2007 at 2:28 am
Am I alone in thinking something this bad could easily be a very strange and unfunny joke? Only if it isn't Melanie Phillips missed the part of an article where you actually think about what you're saying.104. Comment #62044 by TorgoSlayer on August 8, 2007 at 2:32 am
I'll just jump on this posting bandwagon again and ask 'why isn't there an Is This Person Joking option in the article rating system'. With this nonsense it's sorely needed.105. Comment #62047 by pantsandboots on August 8, 2007 at 2:51 am
106. Comment #62067 by phasmagigas on August 8, 2007 at 5:02 am
107. Comment #62068 by Bonzai on August 8, 2007 at 5:03 am
The Bible provides a picture of a rational Creator and an orderly universe - which, accordingly, provided the template for the exercise of reason and the development of science.
108. Comment #62077 by Bonzai on August 8, 2007 at 5:29 am
The truth is that it is the collapse of religious faith that has prompted the rise of such irrationality.
109. Comment #62089 by A on August 8, 2007 at 5:54 am
"The heart of the Judeo-Christian tradition is the belief in the concept of truth"110. Comment #62092 by mjwemdee on August 8, 2007 at 6:03 am
111. Comment #62095 by kareldepauw on August 8, 2007 at 6:27 am
Not so long ago Ms Philips paraded her abysmal ignorance by taking up the cause of the MMR-vaccine-causes-autism brigade and now we have her expertise on the big bang, the origin of life and the Cambrian era. Truly, 'Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens!'112. Comment #62098 by anandamide on August 8, 2007 at 6:43 am
113. Comment #62118 by Wadsworth on August 8, 2007 at 8:21 am
If you think of science during the renaissance a lot of it was produced in spite of religion and the assumption of the authority of the ancients (such as Aristotle). And of course, the Greeks were hardly monotheistic.
114. Comment #62120 by Bonzai on August 8, 2007 at 8:36 am
Wadesworth,115. Comment #62139 by Cartomancer on August 8, 2007 at 9:59 am
116. Comment #62143 by Cartomancer on August 8, 2007 at 10:19 am
117. Comment #62177 by Cartomancer on August 8, 2007 at 2:46 pm
118. Comment #62187 by Goldy on August 8, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Clockwork is, of course, an invention of medieval craftsmen and perhaps served medieval thinkers as a valuable analogy for the universe, which to them was essentially a series of rotating spheres, in the same way computers serve modern scientists as analogies for the brain.
119. Comment #62188 by Goldy on August 8, 2007 at 4:22 pm
The Antikythera mechanism does show you don't only need one god to do great things :-)120. Comment #62190 by automath on August 8, 2007 at 4:26 pm
118. Cartomancer Quite what cultural processes acted as scaffolding for the development of wide-eyed drooling idiots like the mentally sub-normal Melanie Phillips is anyone's guess however...
121. Comment #62194 by Cartomancer on August 8, 2007 at 5:21 pm
122. Comment #62197 by BAEOZ on August 8, 2007 at 5:39 pm
specifically with the fifth century Athenian presocratics,
and in this field at least real advances were made on the classical inheritance, once the Organon of Aristotle had been completed with twelfth century translations of the Posterior Analytics and other works.
123. Comment #62201 by Cartomancer on August 8, 2007 at 5:55 pm
124. Comment #62202 by BAEOZ on August 8, 2007 at 5:58 pm
125. Comment #62206 by Goldy on August 8, 2007 at 6:50 pm
:-) No worries, Cartomancer. I wasn't actually knockingthe invention, just the "of course" ;-) Having a Chinese wife, I am having my Euro-centricity seriously knocked. The Antikythera thing was on the BBC World Service not that long ago - why it was still in my mind...126. Comment #62218 by MAS2007 on August 8, 2007 at 9:35 pm
127. Comment #62241 by Logicel on August 9, 2007 at 3:33 am
128. Comment #62242 by somersetsimon on August 9, 2007 at 3:40 am
We are living in a scientific, largely post-religious age in which faith is presented as unscientific superstition
129. Comment #62248 by phasmagigas on August 9, 2007 at 4:51 am
130. Comment #62253 by dianalake on August 9, 2007 at 5:59 am
To people who say that Dawkins bashes God and not people who believe in him, perhaps you should read his books. He calls such people ignorant stupid and (although he would not like to say so) evil! My quote may not be quite right but it is the essence of what he says. His books also often have very denegrating things to say about believers. What also amazes me about Atheists is that they attack beliefs without ever properly studying them; how many have ever read the Bible with an open mind? If I said Biology was rubbish but never studied it you would rightly call me ignorant. So much of what is said and attributed to believers is obviously based on media charactures and unrecognisable by most Christians.131. Comment #62256 by Cartomancer on August 9, 2007 at 6:34 am
132. Comment #62257 by Vaal on August 9, 2007 at 6:40 am
133. Comment #62262 by mjwemdee on August 9, 2007 at 6:55 am
To people who say that Dawkins bashes God and not people who believe in him, perhaps you should read his books. He calls such people ignorant stupid and (although he would not like to say so) evil! My quote may not be quite right but it is the essence of what he says.
134. Comment #62275 by Tyler Durden on August 9, 2007 at 7:25 am
how many have ever read the Bible with an open mind?Diana,
135. Comment #62377 by The Krell on August 9, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Donald, comment #671820, is wasting his time sending letters that debunk religion to the Daily Mail for publication. They only entertain letters that contribute to their bland simplistic editorial style.136. Comment #62384 by Goldy on August 9, 2007 at 2:10 pm
He calls such people ignorant stupid and (although he would not like to say so) evil!
137. Comment #62385 by bhoytony on August 9, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I am always amused that when the Guardian Diary mentions the author of this article they always refer to her as "clinically sane Melanie Phillips".138. Comment #62391 by Lauregon on August 9, 2007 at 2:48 pm
The heart of the Judeo-Christian tradition is the belief in the concept of truth, which gives rise to reason. But our postreligious age has proclaimed that there is no such thing as objective truth, only what is "true for me". -Phillips
139. Comment #62395 by Lauregon on August 9, 2007 at 3:02 pm
What also amazes me about Atheists is that they attack beliefs without ever properly studying them; how many have ever read the Bible with an open mind? - Dianalake
140. Comment #62604 by Wadsworth on August 10, 2007 at 10:03 am
"What also amazes me about Atheists is that they attack beliefs without ever properly studying them; how many have ever read the Bible with an open mind? - Dianalake"141. Comment #62887 by padster1976 on August 12, 2007 at 7:55 am
142. Comment #62889 by padster1976 on August 12, 2007 at 7:58 am
143. Comment #62920 by Calilasseia on August 12, 2007 at 10:08 am
144. Comment #62971 by Dr Benway on August 12, 2007 at 4:50 pm
What also amazes me about Atheists is that they attack beliefs without ever properly studying them; how many have ever read the Bible with an open mind?Have you read the sacred teachings of the many religions you reject? Finished the Qu'ran? The Book of Mormon? The Confucian Canon? The I Ching? The Vedas? The Jaina Sutras? Taken some Scientology courses?
145. Comment #62974 by BAEOZ on August 12, 2007 at 5:32 pm
What also amazes me about Atheists is that they attack beliefs without ever properly studying them; how many have ever read the Bible with an open mind? If I said Biology was rubbish but never studied it you would rightly call me ignorant.
146. Comment #128791 by Socrates on February 18, 2008 at 12:15 am
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101. Comment #62027 by epeeist on August 8, 2007 at 1:01 am
This is one that gets raised fairly frequently. I am not sure that it is true (though if someone could bring better arguments than I have seen I might be convinced).
There is certainly correlation between the advancement of science and the reduction in the number of gods, but whether the link is causal is another matter.
If you think of science during the renaissance a lot of it was produced in spite of religion and the assumption of the authority of the ancients (such as Aristotle). And of course, the Greeks were hardly monotheistic.
Edit: The column is still showing only 4 comments. I wonder what happened to mine and others posted by people from this site?
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