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3. Comment #96803 by DrCube on December 10, 2007 at 11:54 pm
It isn't just happening in Britain. Have you ever heard of Jenny McCarthy? There are a whole slew of anti-vax people in the States, including my aunt. I've got a one-year-old she's worried to death about because I got him vaccinated!4. Comment #96812 by ykboots on December 11, 2007 at 12:39 am
As a nurse I come across this kind of bull all too frequently. No matter how clearly you explain that vaccines are safe and effective they always come up with some sort of "friend" or "story a relative told them" that says that vaccines cause autism and other afflictions such as arthritis. It ridiculous and its scary. If vaccination rates fall below herd immunity levels you will see a rise in all of the diseases that should now be a memory. The worst part is that some of the people propagating this myth are ill informed nurses and other health care providers.5. Comment #96820 by AdrianT on December 11, 2007 at 1:03 am
6. Comment #96822 by MuNky82 on December 11, 2007 at 1:31 am
The Christian compassion of the local priest, PJ Dorsman, his words as she lay hospitalised were: "If it were not for polio, you would probably have been taken by a car accident."
7. Comment #96826 by hopeful on December 11, 2007 at 1:39 am
How tragically ironic that religion behaves essentially like a virus of the mind.8. Comment #96833 by irate_atheist on December 11, 2007 at 2:00 am
9. Comment #96842 by Tycho the Dog on December 11, 2007 at 2:15 am
10. Comment #96843 by hungarianelephant on December 11, 2007 at 2:17 am
11. Comment #96845 by YssiBoo on December 11, 2007 at 2:20 am
12. Comment #96851 by epeeist on December 11, 2007 at 2:31 am
13. Comment #96852 by seanwupton on December 11, 2007 at 2:32 am
14. Comment #96859 by hungarianelephant on December 11, 2007 at 2:48 am
15. Comment #96873 by Styrer- on December 11, 2007 at 3:16 am
'For many, the claim that evolution enabled life to cross the species barrier so that humans are merely the last link in the evolutionary chain remains a step too far — not least because, by the standards science itself sets, it fails the test of evidence. It is merely a theory.'16. Comment #96879 by mmurray on December 11, 2007 at 3:23 am
Pardon my ignorance but just one quick question:
If there is an outbreak of say, measles, will this pose a threat to people who are vaccinated? Do measle and polio evolve like the flu virus, so that a vaccination only works against one strain?
17. Comment #96880 by Roger Stanyard on December 11, 2007 at 3:24 am
Sir David King should be congratulated for standing up to the Daily and Sunday Mail. Melanie Phillips is scientifically illiterate; her only degree is in English. The one person who will never defend the Mail's position in public is its editor(s). That is cowardice coupled to power.18. Comment #96883 by k1mgy on December 11, 2007 at 3:43 am
19. Comment #96888 by epeeist on December 11, 2007 at 4:01 am
This is simply false. Have a look at Brian Deer's site for a fuller explanation - http://briandeer.com/wakefield-deer.htm
Dr. Wakefield was vilified and run out of Britain, not for proving conclusively that there was a direct connection between MMR and Autism, but for raising the possibility of it.
20. Comment #96896 by Roger Stanyard on December 11, 2007 at 4:11 am
K1MGY,21. Comment #96897 by steve99 on December 11, 2007 at 4:12 am
Let's not discount what evidence there is for further study, nor shove aside very valid concerns over the loss of informed consent and a mass vaccination program that does not take into account genetic and toxicological predisposition to adverse reactions.
22. Comment #96898 by Slyer on December 11, 2007 at 4:13 am
23. Comment #96900 by notsobad on December 11, 2007 at 4:17 am
24. Comment #96902 by Slyer on December 11, 2007 at 4:25 am
25. Comment #96904 by Ajuydog on December 11, 2007 at 4:27 am
26. Comment #96905 by Happy_Atheist123 on December 11, 2007 at 4:35 am
I've seen the same thing here in America. A man that I worked with decided to not vaccinate his newest born child for religious reasons. All of his friends encouraged him to follow his belief system. Well, his daughter came down with meningitis which would have been prevented by her routine pneumococcal vaccination. She has suffered permanent brain damage and last I heard, she was a vegetable. I feel so bad for his family. His religious friends continued to tell him that he made the right decision.27. Comment #96906 by Gymnopedie on December 11, 2007 at 4:42 am
It is sad that there is a resistance to vaccines in the US, as well. I wouldn't say the resistance stems from religion, but rather it stems from a lack of critical thinking and outright pseudoscientific thinking. But I still don't understand why there is such a resistance.28. Comment #96911 by Peacebeuponme on December 11, 2007 at 4:56 am
Once again Johann Hari writes sensibly on an important topic. I always enjoy his articles in the Indie.29. Comment #96915 by Kimpatsu on December 11, 2007 at 5:02 am
30. Comment #96917 by BaronOchs on December 11, 2007 at 5:03 am
Vaccinations are perhaps the greatest achievement of humanity: using this scientific tool, we have literally eradicated Smallpox – a disease that caused hundreds of millions of people to die in howling agony – from the human condition. It will never kill another person, ever.
31. Comment #96922 by Slyer on December 11, 2007 at 5:13 am
In 1978, there was evidently an escape of smallpox from containment in a research laboratory in Birmingham, England. A medical photographer, Janet Parker, died from the disease itself, after which the scientist responsible for the unit, Professor Henry Bedson, committed suicide. In light of this accident, all known stocks of smallpox were destroyed, except the stocks at the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Russian State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTOR in Koltsovo, where a regiment of troops guards it. Under such tight control, smallpox would, it was thought, never be let out again. Even though the destruction of virus stocks was ordered in 1993, 1994, 1995, and 1996[citation needed], they have not yet been destroyed, since a number of researchers still wish to retain the stocks for scientific purposes.
32. Comment #96925 by notsobad on December 11, 2007 at 5:34 am
Both are necessary notsobad, are you saying it's still okay to have a country plagued by disease as long as the birth rate is kept down?
33. Comment #96946 by Matt7895 on December 11, 2007 at 6:25 am

I don't even let my cat piss on the Daily Mail just in case it gets infected by the vileness contained therein.
34. Comment #96949 by panajache69 on December 11, 2007 at 6:33 am
35. Comment #96954 by matt_shute-07 on December 11, 2007 at 6:47 am
36. Comment #96961 by irate_atheist on December 11, 2007 at 6:53 am
37. Comment #96984 by notsobad on December 11, 2007 at 7:56 am
38. Comment #96989 by _J_ on December 11, 2007 at 8:06 am
39. Comment #97029 by Tim Friede on December 11, 2007 at 9:58 am
As a primitive vaccinologist(non-degreed), I got a real hard time with this one.40. Comment #97058 by Nephite on December 11, 2007 at 10:54 am
I wonder if there's any legal action we can take against these f***ing idiots.41. Comment #97104 by fun2bfree on December 11, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Well- look at it this way-those who refuse vaccination will be wiped out by the diseases that they are not immunized against and evolution will have the last laugh...42. Comment #97105 by konquererz on December 11, 2007 at 12:34 pm
43. Comment #97112 by justdust on December 11, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I think the JWs said it was OK for vaccinations in 1952(?) until then it was regarded as some sort of cannablism.44. Comment #97129 by Burton on December 11, 2007 at 1:19 pm
45. Comment #97131 by Burton on December 11, 2007 at 1:23 pm
46. Comment #97134 by PaulJ on December 11, 2007 at 1:27 pm
47. Comment #97139 by davidstvz on December 11, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Don't forget the religious loons in America who, although they believe in vaccines, are reluctant to give girls the HPV vaccine (human papilloma virus) which causes genital warts and a lot of cervical cancers. Naturally, their excuse is that they don't want to encourage illegitimate sexual behavior. What a bunch of dicks.48. Comment #97145 by Tumara Baap on December 11, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Americans famously deplore class distinctions. But even Colbert dropped his Southern demeanor for its negative connotations. A while back I read an Economist article that people in the U.S. automatically confer intelligence to a Brit. May be it's the clipped David Attenborough accent that accompanies good documentaries ;-) While the U.S. may have a lock on elite science and academia, the perception is that the average person on the street in other Western countries is more liberal, more worldly, and less religious than the American. At social functions, I notice those to the left of the culture war have an affinity for Western Europeans, assuming perhaps that they share a similar world view. An acquaintance of mine with a French wife has to continually contend with uninvited political bile from people he barely knows. When we see stories like one of the cravenly clueless Ms. Phillips in a major British newspaper, it is a little hard to believe. Maybe there is a kernel of truth to many stereotypes. But it's in order to be wary of even the positive ones.49. Comment #97154 by Tumara Baap on December 11, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Davidstvz, the HPV vaccination episode in the U.S. is hardly comparable to the measles vaccination situation. Sure there are always going to be individuals at the lower end of the brains Bell Curve, and Melanie Phillips is one of the first on the chart line. In the U.S., it is the *government* that has willfully ignored or undermined scientific data on HPV, sex education programs, the safety of Emergency Contraceptive pills (Plan B), etc. The West hasn't seen anything like it. For better comparison, the Taliban are a match.50. Comment #97156 by Prosthetic Head on December 11, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Unfortunately there are other peddlers of this dangerous nonsense. I speak of course of the homoeopathy mob. I work with an otherwise rational and intelligent guy in a scientific job. He however is looking to start a career in homoeopathy. He is dead set against vaccines and when I pushed him on the issue I got mostly vague talk about it weakening the immune system and suppressing your body's natural expression of symptoms. It was some of the most un-scientific stuff I've ever heard from someone at my company.
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