Lying for Jesus?Mark Mathis, a producer of the film who attended the screening, said that "of course" he had recognized Dr. Dawkins, but allowed him to attend because "he has handled himself fairly honorably, he is a guest in our country and I had to presume he had flown a long way to see the film."
It would appear that Expelled's producer Mark Mathis was not being truthful when he told me tonight that Crossroads was a 'working title' for the film Expelled. As Wesley Elsberry points out, the domain for Expelled was purchased before most, if not all, of the interviews were conducted -- and yet Richard Dawkins, Eugenie Scott, PZ Myers, and others were told they were being interviewed for a film called Crossroads.
Mr. Mark Mathis, do you want to come here and explain yourself?
1352. Comment #160618 by Tyler Durden on April 14, 2008 at 8:31 am
Dawkins does believe in God, he just calls God "evolution." Evolution belongs in the same category as God. He can't prove evolution and he can't hand me evolution.
If you would all quit believing in evolution it would cease to exist.And maybe if we all stop believing that you exist, you'll fuck off and die.
1353. Comment #160620 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 8:38 am
How do you know this is the Holy Spirit. If that is the case, Jesus desperately wants me to start drinking beer again.
So I have a vested interest in giving this voice some legitimacy.
1354. Comment #160622 by Tyler Durden on April 14, 2008 at 8:39 am
As for God getting more civilized as the result of our development, you are now beginning to see things my way... although that is not quite succinct, since I do not actually believe that we are God... just His distant ancestors.And you have evidence for this spurious and fallacious claim? A fossil record maybe? Genetic markers in your DNA? Testable data? Maybe even a theory as to how it all happened?
1355. Comment #160624 by Dr Benway on April 14, 2008 at 8:40 am
kardashovel: I have a son. If God told me to slay him, I don't think I could do it regardless of any perceived pay off. I would sooner kill myself, and I would tell God to choose another with more faith.What if God asked you to place your God upon the alter and slay Him, might you have faith enough for that deed?
1356. Comment #160625 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 8:40 am
Has anyone noticed that we've been getting a lot of trolls on the site recently? I wonder what the cause is.
1357. Comment #160628 by hungarianelephant on April 14, 2008 at 8:44 am
1358. Comment #160630 by Tyler Durden on April 14, 2008 at 8:45 am
Holy Spirit is a concept that hints at the connection between consciousness and physics. It is the connection between each of us and the group-consensus projection of reality by our observations.Blah, blah, blah, waffle, waffle, waffle, drivel, drivel, drivel. Pseudo-psychobabble Bullshit!
1359. Comment #160632 by al-rawandi on April 14, 2008 at 8:46 am
1360. Comment #160634 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 8:47 am
What if God asked you to place your God upon the alter and slay Him, might you have faith enough for that deed?
1361. Comment #160635 by Tyler Durden on April 14, 2008 at 8:48 am
Isn't it obvious? God is pissed off at you!Which God? There are so many!
1362. Comment #160636 by Quetzalcoatl on April 14, 2008 at 8:48 am
OK, let's agree for a moment that our still, small, inner voices have something important to tell us.
What happens when they contradict what someone else's still, small, inner voice says?
1363. Comment #160637 by The Reverend Dark on April 14, 2008 at 8:49 am
1364. Comment #160638 by epeeist on April 14, 2008 at 8:50 am
Type "A" personality, combined with ADD, and the details of the English language are completely lost.Fine, now I know I won't bother you again about it.
What is the prescribed punishment for this transgression? Force me to read old tabloid articles on Princess Dianna?I'm afraid you are going to have to do an extended Paula, read all the flea books and write a review of them...
1365. Comment #160640 by Vaal on April 14, 2008 at 8:50 am
Holy Spirit is a concept that hints at the connection between consciousness and physics
1366. Comment #160641 by Peacebeuponme on April 14, 2008 at 8:51 am
Seems that thisisme has come on with the fans' favourite, absolute morality, without which we can't have right or wrong and everyone is free to bash others on the head with a log.1367. Comment #160642 by Bonzai on April 14, 2008 at 8:51 am
A better question might be what happens when our still, small, inner voices tell us to kill someone.
1368. Comment #160644 by The Reverend Dark on April 14, 2008 at 8:52 am
I think that the primary reasons for Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection was to illustrate that death is an illusion and that it is important to non-violently defend your ideas and speak truth to callous power, even to the point of being executed.
1369. Comment #160645 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 8:53 am
hungarianelephant: I love the avatar.What happens when they contradict what someone else's still, small, inner voice says?
1370. Comment #160646 by Dr Benway on April 14, 2008 at 8:53 am
If God asked me to kill Him, I would not do it. I don't have it in me. The only way that i could kill is in defense of myself, my family/friends, or an obvious innocent.For now we see through a glass darkly, no? For now, our idea of God is imperfect. You don't have to look far to see others expressing an idea of God that is self-serving.
1371. Comment #160647 by hungarianelephant on April 14, 2008 at 8:54 am
A better question might be what happens when our still, small, inner voices tell us to kill someone.
1372. Comment #160650 by epeeist on April 14, 2008 at 8:56 am
Has anyone noticed that we've been getting a lot of trolls on the site recently? I wonder what the cause is.Well the last time it happened was just before the publication of Vox Day's book. Is there something going to happen shortly that is similar to this?
1373. Comment #160651 by Quetzalcoatl on April 14, 2008 at 8:57 am
1374. Comment #160653 by Bonzai on April 14, 2008 at 8:57 am
If it is a source of conflict, then discuss and justify based on laws, conventions, and ethics...
1375. Comment #160657 by Tyler Durden on April 14, 2008 at 8:59 am
If the advice concerns me, I should listen to my voice; if it concerns you, listen to your voice. If it is a source of conflict, then discuss and justify based on laws, conventions, and ethics...Discussion you say? But I have critical thinking, logic, and reason on my side. You have...?
1376. Comment #160660 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 9:02 am
I think we are called to put our idea of God, the incarnation of God in our minds, upon the sacrificial alter.
1377. Comment #160662 by Vaal on April 14, 2008 at 9:06 am
1378. Comment #160664 by laphroaigman on April 14, 2008 at 9:06 am
Epeeist:1379. Comment #160665 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 9:08 am
And I am a big fan of Laphroaig.1380. Comment #160666 by Tyler Durden on April 14, 2008 at 9:09 am
1381. Comment #160669 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 9:11 am
I mean the scotch. I haven't read Laphroaigman's posts. But I am more likely to so now since he, for one, demonstrates the ability to speak in complete sentences and not act like a total asshole.1382. Comment #160673 by Dr Benway on April 14, 2008 at 9:12 am
I think I should wait for a quieter time.No worries.
1383. Comment #160674 by Styrer- on April 14, 2008 at 9:13 am
Comment #159930 by David A Robertson on April 13, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Sorry guys - you should really just read the posts then you would not have to engage in the detective work/conspiracy theories etc. I explained that I was only reinstated as David A. Robertson today. But don't worry clearthinker will return!
Styrer, I have answered your question about metaphor - but perhaps you are asking a different one? You clearly are having difficulty with the English language (hence your need to swear a lot) but I assume you understood my answer? But perhaps you were asking a different question/accusation? You obviously seem to think it is the great unanswerable point - so I tell you what. There is one thread I am very interested in and when I get the time will write a post - please feel free to be as irrelevant there as you are here!
1384. Comment #160676 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 9:15 am
I feel the same sense of rightness or goodness I once felt when I was a believer seeking to be truly guided by God, urging me toward a life without this idea of God within me.
1385. Comment #160677 by al-rawandi on April 14, 2008 at 9:16 am
1386. Comment #160678 by hungarianelephant on April 14, 2008 at 9:16 am
If the advice concerns me, I should listen to my voice; if it concerns you, listen to your voice. If it is a source of conflict, then discuss and justify based on laws, conventions, and ethics...
1387. Comment #160679 by sschaller on April 14, 2008 at 9:17 am
While the current battle resembles the proverbial "cat fight," the issue was, at one time, about open discussion. The issue is not whether one idea has scientific merit - and therefore should be included. The issue is - let us openly discuss ideas to see if they have scientific merit.1388. Comment #160683 by Steve Zara on April 14, 2008 at 9:21 am
Simply put, the only reason to prevent the ID proponents from bringing their evidence is that we would be afraid of what they have to say. Fearing the challenge to our ideas is explicitly counter-scientific. The whole point of science is to challenge currently accepted ideas by reviewing the best-available evidence carefully and methodically.
1389. Comment #160684 by The Reverend Dark on April 14, 2008 at 9:23 am
1390. Comment #160686 by Dr Benway on April 14, 2008 at 9:26 am
1391. Comment #160698 by Frankus1122 on April 14, 2008 at 9:45 am
1392. Comment #160710 by MaxD on April 14, 2008 at 10:03 am
This isn't surprising since you all have already dismissed, a-priori, the potential existence of well over half of the total realm of creation (there is so little we puny humans actually DO know, married as so many obviously are to the "god" of the 3 pounds of greyish mush in their skulls)...
Lack of, or not believing in faith is every bit as much a demonstration of "faith" as faith itself.
BTW: just saying by way of EXAMPLE: I've noticed similar behavior on the part of 8-10 year old children - that wonderful age where they are approaching the "so called age of reason", but not yet fully integrating all aspects of emotional and intellectual health and maturity necessary to not suddenly give way to emotional and/or irrational outburts and/or mental fugues...
Perhaps if you all wanted to truly be treated with the respect you all so obviously and desperately crave, you should at least try using NICE WORDS! Such constant sourness is most unappealing to the vast majority of civilized and polite people.
1393. Comment #160711 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 10:03 am
I was basically good without God for over thirty years.1394. Comment #160714 by MaxD on April 14, 2008 at 10:08 am
1395. Comment #160717 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 10:11 am
The claim, which many here are debating, is that agnostics cannot have any objective basis for morality... be that as it may, that does not imply that an agnostic cannot be good.1396. Comment #160721 by Geoff on April 14, 2008 at 10:18 am
The Scientific community has two options:
(snip)
2. Discuss the Evidence -
Tell Intelligent Design proponents to "Prove It." If they have anything legitimately scientific to offer, the scientific community would benefit. If not, they will simply dig their own graves. They will not even have the benefit of whining that they are not allowed at the table.
(snip)
Let's see what they have, and let the facts speak for themselves.
1397. Comment #160752 by Vaal on April 14, 2008 at 11:10 am
The Scientific community has two options:
1. Silence Opponents -
Shut out all debate on the subject, just as Galileo was silenced when suggesting radically different ideas to the standard accepted theories
1398. Comment #160755 by Bonzai on April 14, 2008 at 11:17 am
1399. Comment #160758 by epeeist on April 14, 2008 at 11:21 am
I came here to a) learn where you all are coming from, b) to posit some questions that just might get some of you thinking in broader terms, and c) to try and be reasonable..Always glad to learn something new and to have my horizons broadened. What do you want to talk about?
1400. Comment #160759 by Kardashovel on April 14, 2008 at 11:22 am
What do they have to teach other than saying Darwinism is wrong?
1351. Comment #160614 by Quetzalcoatl on April 14, 2008 at 8:29 am
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