Lying for Jesus?Mark Mathis, a producer of the film who attended the screening, said that "of course" he had recognized Dr. Dawkins, but allowed him to attend because "he has handled himself fairly honorably, he is a guest in our country and I had to presume he had flown a long way to see the film."
It would appear that Expelled's producer Mark Mathis was not being truthful when he told me tonight that Crossroads was a 'working title' for the film Expelled. As Wesley Elsberry points out, the domain for Expelled was purchased before most, if not all, of the interviews were conducted -- and yet Richard Dawkins, Eugenie Scott, PZ Myers, and others were told they were being interviewed for a film called Crossroads.
Mr. Mark Mathis, do you want to come here and explain yourself?
2202. Comment #163113 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 2:23 am
Given this you could travel along a spiral path and return before your time of your departure.
2203. Comment #163115 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 2:33 am
Reports of my death were greatly exaggerated. I'm back, as I said I would be, to answer questions that were posed to me before I went to bed (after staying up until 3:40 am, by the way). I'm not sure if I'll have time to get to them all tonight, as it's after 2 am right now, but I'll try.2204. Comment #163117 by BillySands on April 18, 2008 at 2:37 am
This morning I received an e-mail from David Robertson telling me that my response will not be displayed, in the interests of keeping the thread "on topic".
The macro/micro evolution distinction is confusing. My sense of what macro-evolution is supposed to be is some significant change in a single generation. That does happen!
2205. Comment #163118 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 2:39 am
To Quetzalcoatl on post 2056 --2206. Comment #163120 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 2:42 am
Diacanu (2058) --2207. Comment #163123 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 2:46 am
Greyman (2059) --2208. Comment #163124 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 2:48 am
Most of you are keeping things civil, and some even lighthearted/funny (like irate_atheist)...You clearly haven't read many of my posts. Can we add pisspoor researching to your list of skills.
Anyway, please have a little understanding of why I couldn't (and can't) stay too long here. It doesn't mean that I'm trying to hit-and-run, but that I'm working while I obtain a master's degree, and I don't have very much free time.Please don't tell us it's in theology, the biggest non-subject of all time.
2209. Comment #163125 by Philip1978 on April 18, 2008 at 2:48 am
"depriving people of a real meaning to their existence",
2210. Comment #163126 by Steve Zara on April 18, 2008 at 2:50 am
OK, I'm getting no Goedel love.
2211. Comment #163127 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 2:51 am
2212. Comment #163128 by Roland_F on April 18, 2008 at 2:52 am
2197. Comment #162783 by MPhilWhat shall I say - I study under a professor who holds a chair where the catholic church needs to give its okay for the candidate to fill it - a chair in philosophy, not theology mind you. ... in a country where "Reverence for god" is the highest goal of education - as laid down in the constitution.
2213. Comment #163129 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 2:52 am
Roland_F (2062) --2214. Comment #163130 by phatbat on April 18, 2008 at 2:53 am
"He [Ben Stein] certainly can't have been chosen for his knowledge of science, nor his powers of logical reasoning, nor his box office appeal (heavens, no), and his speaking voice is an irritating, nasal drawl, innocent of charm and of consonants. I suppose that makes it a good voice for conveying the whingeing paranoia that I referred to, so maybe that was qualification enough."
"I thought this movie would be good for a laugh, but apparantly [sic] not."
Bravo, my fellow atheists! Let's all give ourselves a big pat on the back for our intellectual superiority over the masses of peons that share our meaningless existence, yet like to delude themselves into thinking life is about anything more than self-praise and the belittling of inferiors!
2215. Comment #163131 by Philip1978 on April 18, 2008 at 2:53 am
2216. Comment #163132 by Steve Zara on April 18, 2008 at 2:54 am
2217. Comment #163133 by Quetzalcoatl on April 18, 2008 at 2:55 am
It's my belief that when atheists attempt to "convert" people to their beliefs, which some undeniably do, they are depriving people of a real meaning to their existence, whether that meaning is true or not
I have a cup of Tea on my desk right now
2218. Comment #163135 by epeeist on April 18, 2008 at 2:57 am
Of course, there's also the fact that he implies that people who believe in God are insane...
While "delusion" is given as
adjective 1 in or relating to an unsound state of mind; seriously mentally ill.
noun a belief or impression that is not in accordance with a generally accepted reality.You will note that the two are quite different in meaning. Either you are letting your presuppositions influence your interpretation or guilty of committing the fallacy of equivocation.
You say you were redirected here from the "Expelled" site. Does that mean you are a follower of ID?
Now, getting to comments by actual posters (without naming names):
"I thought this movie would be good for a laugh, but apparantly [sic] not."
2219. Comment #163136 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 2:57 am
Greyman (2067) --2220. Comment #163139 by Steve Zara on April 18, 2008 at 3:00 am
I'm aware of the Buddhist position on God, and I find it illogical.
Many Buddhists do too, and there is no general agreement on the involvement of a higher power (or lack thereof).
You're mistaken about Hinduism holding that higher powers have no bearing on the process.
2221. Comment #163140 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 3:01 am
2222. Comment #163142 by epeeist on April 18, 2008 at 3:02 am
So what is truth if it is not correspondence with the facts?
OK, I can respect that. I don't think this is a matter where truth can be proven factually, though, so you may end up having to go with what you think is best for you, if you ever want to settle on anything.
2223. Comment #163143 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 3:04 am
2224. Comment #163144 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:05 am
Diacanu (2069) --2225. Comment #163146 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 3:07 am
2226. Comment #163149 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 3:09 am
2227. Comment #163150 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:09 am
Steve Zara (2070) --2228. Comment #163153 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 3:10 am
2229. Comment #163155 by Steve Zara on April 18, 2008 at 3:14 am
If you allow the theoretical existence of a being that could create matter out of nothing, and could create a soul (which is a necessary component of an afterlife), I think you have to concede that this being would also likely be able to create and manage an afterlife, correct?
2230. Comment #163158 by phatbat on April 18, 2008 at 3:18 am
If you allow the theoretical existence of a being that could create matter out of nothing, and could create a soul (which is a necessary component of an afterlife), I think you have to concede that this being would also likely be able to create and manage an afterlife, correct?
2231. Comment #163160 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:20 am
Vaal (2089) --2232. Comment #163161 by Mark Barratt on April 18, 2008 at 3:22 am
I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.
2233. Comment #163162 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:28 am
Sorry if I missed any posts directed to me, but I'm skipping ahead to tonight's comments, for now...2234. Comment #163163 by Vaal on April 18, 2008 at 3:28 am
2235. Comment #163164 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:31 am
Brian (2240)2236. Comment #163165 by Roland_F on April 18, 2008 at 3:31 am
2248. Comment #163129 by EgomaniacIs it inconceivable that such people could actually enjoy their lives despite believing in said power(s)?
Only poor people hope for an afterlife?
I'm aware of the Buddhist position on God, and I find it illogical.The Buddhist position is there is no God very simple all strength is only coming from yourself. And reincarnation based on Karma is practically the same (of course based on historical development of B out of H)., and beside the multitude of Hinduism Goddesses, also here the main idea of all interconnectedness of all sentient beings, the 33 Millions Gods as the number of people around during this times, e.g. each is his own God and is responsible for his own Karma based on deeds not on faith.
2237. Comment #163166 by Steve Zara on April 18, 2008 at 3:33 am
Perhaps we exist because a higher power wills it.
2238. Comment #163167 by phatbat on April 18, 2008 at 3:34 am
Is it really the typical behavior of a person who is not bitter towards another person to criticize every little detail about them?
2239. Comment #163168 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:37 am
irate (2243)2240. Comment #163169 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 3:38 am
2241. Comment #163170 by Philip1978 on April 18, 2008 at 3:38 am
How would I know? Perhaps it's whatever you want it to be, assuming the powers that be feel you deserve a reward.
2242. Comment #163172 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:40 am
Philip (2244) --2243. Comment #163173 by epeeist on April 18, 2008 at 3:42 am
Try ~(exists x) G(x)
You say atheism is non-belief in God(s)... what I am using as a definition is that atheism is disbelief in God(s). It is therefore the belief that there is no God (or gods).
2244. Comment #163174 by Philip1978 on April 18, 2008 at 3:43 am
2245. Comment #163179 by Sargeist on April 18, 2008 at 3:52 am
2246. Comment #163180 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 3:53 am
But in a grand sense, an atheist must think they exist for no real reason, which I find very disheartening.
2247. Comment #163183 by Roland_F on April 18, 2008 at 3:53 am
2266. Comment #163160 by Egomaniac["Vaal (2089) -- Ah, please advise us what you will be doing for eternity in the afterlife. I would be very interested to know. And what age do you go to the afterlife at, the age you died, or as a youngster"].
How would I know? Perhaps it's whatever you want it to be, assuming the powers that be feel you deserve a reward.
2248. Comment #163184 by Egomaniac on April 18, 2008 at 3:54 am
Phatbat (2249) --2249. Comment #163187 by Sargeist on April 18, 2008 at 3:56 am
2250. Comment #163189 by Sargeist on April 18, 2008 at 4:00 am
2201. Comment #163111 by irate_atheist on April 18, 2008 at 2:19 am
I regret to say, and please don't be offended, but your friend may well be a pillock.
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