The rise of Miliband brings at last the prospect of an atheist prime minister52. Comment #234572 by Logicel on August 21, 2008 at 3:47 pm
53. Comment #234576 by Vinelectric on August 21, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Still waiting for an answer to the question - why is Stalins atheism as irrelevant as his facial hair but Millibrands is relevant?
54. Comment #234595 by SurfDude on August 21, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I am fairly sure that David Cameron is probably a non-believer. But then again, even if he is CofE lite, I will still be voting for him as he is far and away the better candidate for PM and his party have made significant strides to return themselves to relevance. They have some pretty smart ideas too - with more to come (one of my friends is quite close to Cameron personally and the Tories are keeping a lot of very good stuff tucked away up their sleeves).55. Comment #234606 by KRKBAB on August 21, 2008 at 6:57 pm
There's an entire other issue in the USA besides the issue that we should look more at the total person instead of their being a theist or an atheist. That's the issue that politicians CAN'T say they are an atheist because they probably won't get elected. Disgusting and backwards but true. We atheists like reality. That's the ugly fucking reality here in America. I would see some light in the forest if several high ranking politicians "came out" as atheists, because you know there has to be a lot of them.56. Comment #234677 by Deadity on August 21, 2008 at 10:21 pm
L is for Labor. L is for Lice.57. Comment #234680 by David A Robertson on August 21, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I now understand. Stalins atheism was irrelevant to his evil deeds which were clearly not part of his politics or policies, whereas Millibrands atheism is part of his politics. And of course people kill for religious reasons and they would never kill for other reasons (money/power/greed/jealousy/sex) - especially they would never kill because of their atheism. When Stalin killed religious people it was of course nothing to do with his atheism. Religious people who are elected such as Blair and Brown are clearly not accountable to the electorate whereas atheists are. Stalin was of course answerable to the Party but then we know that that was a pseudo religion. So it is quite simple really. If an atheist leader is a bad atheist then we can simply point out that it was nothing to do with his atheism because atheism is nothing (atheists are simply those who do not believe in God - they believe nothing and do nothing because of their atheism so lo and behold their atheism cannot be responsible for any of their evil deeds). However if an atheist is a good atheist (and certainly Millibrand fits the description of someone who believes nothing and will do nothing!) then his atheism is what motivates and inspires him, and that is why all right thinking atheists should vote for him. Brilliant! Welcome to the weird and wonderful world of the FA!58. Comment #234681 by Steve Zara on August 21, 2008 at 10:51 pm
59. Comment #234686 by Diacanu on August 21, 2008 at 11:02 pm
60. Comment #234705 by Philip1978 on August 21, 2008 at 11:53 pm
61. Comment #234709 by Diacanu on August 21, 2008 at 11:58 pm
So will you PLEASE stop with this idea that atheist is the route of all evil and that without religion how can we be good people.
62. Comment #234712 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 12:06 am
Religious people who are elected such as Blair and Brown are clearly not accountable to the electorate whereas atheists are.
63. Comment #234714 by Philip1978 on August 22, 2008 at 12:13 am
64. Comment #234715 by Diacanu on August 22, 2008 at 12:14 am
We recently had a story posted here in which a vicar said he loved Jesus more than his wife.
65. Comment #234716 by mark65 on August 22, 2008 at 12:15 am
well mr robertson, thank you for coming here and sharing your condescending ignorance, how about you link us a christian forum you frequent so we can drop in and spread our shit all over it.66. Comment #234719 by Philip1978 on August 22, 2008 at 12:20 am
67. Comment #234720 by David A Robertson on August 22, 2008 at 12:21 am
being an atheist has NOTHING to do with a person's actions
68. Comment #234721 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 12:23 am
69. Comment #234722 by Diacanu on August 22, 2008 at 12:23 am
70. Comment #234723 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 12:25 am
71. Comment #234724 by Diacanu on August 22, 2008 at 12:25 am
because it could be used as a method of encouraging patriotism.
72. Comment #234725 by Diacanu on August 22, 2008 at 12:28 am
*Snide comments to Philip*
73. Comment #234726 by Philip1978 on August 22, 2008 at 12:31 am
74. Comment #234727 by King of NH on August 22, 2008 at 12:32 am
75. Comment #234728 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 12:33 am
76. Comment #234729 by Jamie V on August 22, 2008 at 12:33 am
I quote Frankie Boyle from "Mock The Week":77. Comment #234730 by John Locke on August 22, 2008 at 12:33 am
78. Comment #234731 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 12:35 am
79. Comment #234732 by Diacanu on August 22, 2008 at 12:36 am
80. Comment #234733 by Diacanu on August 22, 2008 at 12:40 am
81. Comment #234734 by Quetzalcoatl on August 22, 2008 at 12:43 am
Still waiting for an answer to the question
82. Comment #234735 by AllanW on August 22, 2008 at 12:46 am
83. Comment #234736 by John Locke on August 22, 2008 at 12:51 am
84. Comment #234737 by Logicel on August 22, 2008 at 12:54 am
85. Comment #234738 by Sargeist on August 22, 2008 at 12:57 am
86. Comment #234739 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 1:00 am
87. Comment #234740 by Oystein Elgaroy on August 22, 2008 at 1:03 am
88. Comment #234741 by Sargeist on August 22, 2008 at 1:07 am
89. Comment #234742 by John Locke on August 22, 2008 at 1:08 am
90. Comment #234743 by Verylee on August 22, 2008 at 1:10 am
91. Comment #234745 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 1:21 am
sorry in a very pedantic mood! no harm meant!
92. Comment #234746 by Ian on August 22, 2008 at 1:22 am
Such a despicable thing to do....shows what a dishonest, lying, thieving, ignorant, relgious troll I must be.
93. Comment #234747 by Quetzalcoatl on August 22, 2008 at 1:25 am
If an atheist leader is a bad atheist
94. Comment #234751 by John Locke on August 22, 2008 at 1:28 am
95. Comment #234752 by Ichneumonid on August 22, 2008 at 1:29 am
#68 David Robertson : Could you let us know the last person/persons that the Pope killed? I am sure the media would be interested (and Billy) - we could do him for murder...
96. Comment #234753 by Steve Zara on August 22, 2008 at 1:29 am
97. Comment #234754 by Quetzalcoatl on August 22, 2008 at 1:35 am
Quetz careful with that logic there, you might hurt someone('s feelings)!
I guess it might be possible to be a bad atheist. For a start there are all those thousands of different varieties of Christianity we have to work hard not to believe in.
98. Comment #234756 by Sargeist on August 22, 2008 at 1:41 am
99. Comment #234757 by Quetzalcoatl on August 22, 2008 at 1:46 am
Poseidon? How dare ye call my master Neptune by that heretical name!
100. Comment #234759 by Sargeist on August 22, 2008 at 1:49 am
51. Comment #234564 by Sciros on August 21, 2008 at 3:17 pm
You're asking an invalid question, because relevance is *with relation to something.* Stalin's atheism was as irrelevant as his facial hair *with relation to the evil deeds he committed.* Millibrand's atheism may be relevant *with relation to how he approaches decisions on certain policies.*
Whether you are Christian or not doesn't affect how you sit on the toilet but it may well affect whether or not you're more friendly towards people who attend Church on Sundays. There is no contradiction here, just like there is none in what you're [pretending to be?] confused by.
The way you're asking the question quite frankly betrays either complete stupidity or wicked disingenuity. Take your pick.
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