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In Comment #8474 Anonymous Wrote:204. Comment #8488 by Linda on November 21, 2006 at 11:37 am
Re: Comment 8429205. Comment #8510 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 12:56 pm
Exodus 20:1-17206. Comment #8513 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 1:24 pm
533. Comment #8507 by asdf on November 21, 2006 at 12:42 pm207. Comment #8517 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 1:48 pm
536. Comment #8514 by Chumly on November 21, 2006 at 1:30 pm208. Comment #8530 by Erik on November 21, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Hello! I'm sorry to say I'm breaking netiquette a bit by not reading all the comments before me but it's much and, well, yeah. I wouldn't blame you if you're not reading this either.209. Comment #8577 by beepbeepitsme on November 21, 2006 at 6:05 pm
I have my doubts that people who express themselves as an atheist with qualifications, such as "I am an atheist but..." are in any logical sense, being intellectually honest.216. Comment #8625 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 8:59 pm
564. Comment #8607 by asdf on November 21, 2006 at 8:20 pm217. Comment #8628 by Valadon on November 21, 2006 at 9:14 pm
RE; 8589 by curious218. Comment #8630 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 9:26 pm
571.219. Comment #8823 by rationalrevolution on November 22, 2006 at 11:32 am
Christian thought of the day for you:220. Comment #8841 by rationalrevolution on November 22, 2006 at 12:21 pm
I'm talking here about god belief, not religion, and not spirits, etc. Yes, almost all (but not all) cultures believed in spirits or something like that of some kind. Yes most cultures that we know of over the past 5,000 years have had some kind of religion or another, but most of these religions had no gods. Some had spirits, some had ancestors, some had forces of nature, some had people, some had animals that they worshiped, but most did not have gods.221. Comment #8883 by rationalrevolution on November 22, 2006 at 4:48 pm
Wow, two atheists in a row that display religious thinking!222. Comment #8888 by rationalrevolution on November 22, 2006 at 5:30 pm
Tim:223. Comment #9003 by rationalrevolution on November 23, 2006 at 6:06 am
Gods don't have to be material to prove that they don't exist. "Material" or not, gods, spirits, etc., are supposed to have material impacts on the world according to their believers. We can test for these effects, and when we do so we don't find any evidence of any effects. For example the prayer studies, comparisons between the lives of non-believers and believers, in which we see no differences in terms of health, prosperity, success, etc., in fact we generally see that overall non-believers live longer and are more prosperous because they tend to be better educated, etc.224. Comment #9070 by island on November 23, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Torbjörn Larson said:225. Comment #9078 by Matthew on November 23, 2006 at 3:08 pm
All you atheists are just as committed to a faith as those who believe in god.226. Comment #9145 by rationalrevolution on November 23, 2006 at 6:57 pm
Re #616227. Comment #9237 by island on November 24, 2006 at 7:56 am
By all means, get your ideas published and accepted by cosmologists, and then get back to me on this point.228. Comment #9255 by rationalrevolution on November 24, 2006 at 9:04 am
"Personally, I take exception to the philosophy that genetic irregularities warrant expulsion from the gene pool. Perhaps in nature this is true, consistent with a theory based on observation of what happens. But surely a debate about atheism is essentially a spiritual debate? And that having a spiritual debate is what makes us human, civilised or whichever other generous interpretation of our place in order of things we choose to accept."229. Comment #9264 by rationalrevolution on November 24, 2006 at 9:33 am
Re: 624230. Comment #9326 by island on November 24, 2006 at 1:10 pm
No Larsson, I don't remember, but I've heard your lame comparison made by people that can't dispute the physics, like yourself, and I've also heard just the opposite from many more physicists who don't ignore what's being said in order to do that.231. Comment #9331 by island on November 24, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Better yet, I'll up the anti... because you remind me a lot of people like, Danny Lundsford, who scoff at the mere mention of strong interpretations of the AP while professing what a wonderful thing that the cosmological principle is, even though the freaking thing doesn't extend to the observed anthropically constrained universe.232. Comment #9415 by island on November 24, 2006 at 5:37 pm
You seem to think science is done by manipulating equations, instead of making hypotheses and test them.233. Comment #9564 by rationalrevolution on November 25, 2006 at 6:06 am
To island:237. Comment #9848 by island on November 26, 2006 at 8:03 am
Joad,238. Comment #9863 by island on November 26, 2006 at 8:37 am
By all appearances the future prospects of the Homo sapiens are dim: Extinction is a distinct possibility within the next ten thousand years, or sooner.240. Comment #9874 by island on November 26, 2006 at 9:13 am
Okay, just to clarify, I have said nothing to indicate that I am straying from agnostic atheism, and I take exception to the implication that my view is mystical metaphysical speculation, since the evidence that I offered is the same evidence that Brandon Carter, John Wheeler, and even Paul Davies interpret as justification for intelligent life over other forms of carbon based life that have served their supporting purpose and gone extinct.241. Comment #9882 by island on November 26, 2006 at 9:31 am
I was talking about extinction, but it's not irrational, since we have, after all, had George Bushes in office for quite a long time now... ;)242. Comment #9892 by island on November 26, 2006 at 10:41 am
I think that I've offered reasonable support, (especially in the third link), for the assertion that we're here in large numbers across the golden region of the universe to affect the symmetry of the universe, which is something that only humans, black holes and Supernovae can do, except that we are, "pound for pound" far out of their league, in terms of the energy that we expend to do it.243. Comment #9934 by Rolf Muertter on November 26, 2006 at 1:55 pm
I am an atheist, BUT ... I do believe that religion is here to stay. Not because it is culturally established, but because it is part of human nature. Religion is a human universal; add to that the important role that religion plays in most people's lives, and the sacrifices that people are willing to make for their religion, and it becomes abundantly clear that it must have some adaptive value. What could that adaptive value be? How about religion as a coalition building instinct? Having genes for religious behavior is advantageous because it allows individuals to be part of a larger coalition, which is necessary for survival because smaller coalitions can't compete.245. Comment #10080 by island on November 27, 2006 at 3:13 am
Inflationary theory is, um, inflationary theory. Maybe you mean that the observations inflationary theory predicts are explained by other theories.246. Comment #10217 by Rich on November 27, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Dom's comments (#7272) were spot on my personal belief that we need to "replace God with awe of nature" It has always worked for me, but it never occured to me to "sell" the idea to others ... or that I was subconsciously avoiding the "sell" as conventional religion is above criticism by convention.247. Comment #10300 by Rolf Muertter on November 27, 2006 at 7:31 pm
Re: 660. Comment #9935 by asdf on November 26, 2006 at 2:04 pm:248. Comment #10316 by Anonymous on November 27, 2006 at 8:48 pm
Until I found out that this dialogue even existed,I was prepared to just write off my life and humanity with it. I couldn't agree more heartily. Religion is a lame adherence to something (well, that lends it substance which it doesn't deserve) that is like an ugly, backward secret like incest that needs to be let out and aired and let go. It needs to be reconciled to quaint little stories and myths and fables and recognized as such. Please think: just before the time of the first explorers, people really thought odd fantastic Monsters and Beaties existed. They thought that the earth was flat and that if you went too far you would fall off and die! They also used to think that they could peer into people's heads through a hole and vent the spirits out. The root of religion came LONG before even THAT. That should give you some idea of how dumb and wrongheaded it is. If there's a rock in your shoe, and you can't walk and you're in pain, what do you do? You STOP, take off the shoe, examoine it, find the source of the problem and get RID of it. Common Sense. Spirituality? Fine. respect compasssion and tolerance? essential. Organized religion? TOXIC.250. Comment #10404 by island on November 28, 2006 at 3:42 am
No, it is really very simple.
201. Comment #8480 by Anonymous on November 21, 2006 at 11:12 am
519. Comment #8476 by asdf on November 21, 2006 at 11:03 amMy God are you educationally deprived? You make the assertion not(G). I agree if one makes an assertion one should at least attempt to prove it. I am proudly agnostic and proved it's validity now prove yours.