The Only One in Step152. Comment #19329 by gimlibengloin on January 26, 2007 at 8:37 am
No Longer Have Belief (150)153. Comment #19332 by gimlibengloin on January 26, 2007 at 8:52 am
Hoddlwood (151)154. Comment #19447 by Simon Packer on January 27, 2007 at 8:50 am
All this faith vs reason stuff really is a bit of a confidence trick for Dawkins. As has been said, there is no real evidence for macroevolution of any great implication whatsoever.155. Comment #19451 by Dogbreath on January 27, 2007 at 9:22 am
156. Comment #19457 by sandipchitale on January 27, 2007 at 10:15 am
29 November 2006157. Comment #19461 by NoLongerHaveBelief on January 27, 2007 at 11:42 am
>>Comment #19329 by gimlibengloin<<158. Comment #19507 by Hoddlwood on January 27, 2007 at 5:20 pm
gimlibengloin - 153159. Comment #20249 by Simon Packer on February 1, 2007 at 9:01 am
Chance is the source of genotypic change; it is not the driving force of phenotypic change.160. Comment #20308 by Hoddlwood on February 1, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Simon,161. Comment #20309 by Hoddlwood on February 1, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Simon,162. Comment #20388 by Simon Packer on February 2, 2007 at 6:19 am
Harm is unlikely to overtake me, Hoddlwood, as I have God's favour. I pray that you would come into it too, as for all men God desires fulness of blessing and satisfaction in life. It is for fellowship and blessing we were made by Him.163. Comment #20395 by Hoddlwood on February 2, 2007 at 7:10 am
Simon,164. Comment #20404 by gimlibengloin on February 2, 2007 at 8:37 am
dogbreath (155)165. Comment #20406 by Simon Packer on February 2, 2007 at 8:39 am
Hoddlwood, I am also a qualified science teacher, I did a PGCE at Warwick, and have taught evolution and shown Richard Dawkins videos to schoolchildren. I simply tell them briefly that I personally don't believe the theory really explains why we are here.166. Comment #20408 by gimlibengloin on February 2, 2007 at 8:52 am
NoLongerHaveBelief (157)167. Comment #20409 by Simon Packer on February 2, 2007 at 8:52 am
I have only spent two years schoolteaching, prior to coming to SA to do Christian work. My degree is Applied Physics with Electronics (Durham 1982). I am trained in the scientific method. I know the difference between a theory which is proveable and falsifiable and one which is neither. For a theory to be useable in engineering, it must in nearly all cases be proven to adhere to an exact mathematical model. I have been involved in the design of Digital Microwave Relay Links, Switchmode Power Supplies, Avionics servicing assemblies and quite a bit else.168. Comment #20410 by gimlibengloin on February 2, 2007 at 9:01 am
(157)169. Comment #20411 by gimlibengloin on February 2, 2007 at 9:03 am
Hoddlewood (158)170. Comment #20412 by gimlibengloin on February 2, 2007 at 9:09 am
(157) NoLongerHaveBelief171. Comment #20424 by Hoddlwood on February 2, 2007 at 10:19 am
I do read your posts, Simon, and all I see is religion, not science. There is a difference.172. Comment #20427 by Hoddlwood on February 2, 2007 at 10:28 am
gimlibengloin: I went to one of your web references and found this quote that refers to a stone relief that is purported to represent a stegosaurus:173. Comment #20589 by Lizzy on February 4, 2007 at 4:10 pm
I have spent a while reading through all the post here. Thank you to all the 'believers' who claim to be scientists for the laughter you have ignited in me.174. Comment #21041 by Simon Packer on February 7, 2007 at 11:26 am
Hoodlwood:175. Comment #21264 by gimlibengloin on February 8, 2007 at 10:21 am
Hoddlwood (171)176. Comment #21265 by gimlibengloin on February 8, 2007 at 10:28 am
Hoddlwood177. Comment #21417 by Hoddlwood on February 9, 2007 at 5:34 am
Simon,178. Comment #21421 by Hoddlwood on February 9, 2007 at 6:09 am
gimlibengloin says,179. Comment #21430 by gimlibengloin on February 9, 2007 at 6:41 am
Hoddlwood says,180. Comment #21448 by Simon Packer on February 9, 2007 at 8:17 am
Hoddlwood181. Comment #21450 by Simon Packer on February 9, 2007 at 8:38 am
Dawkins says that faith is blind belief despite or even bacause of a lack of evidence. Like much of what he says, this is simplistic, blind rhetoric itself.182. Comment #21454 by Hoddlwood on February 9, 2007 at 8:49 am
Simon,183. Comment #21460 by gimlibengloin on February 9, 2007 at 9:04 am
Hoddlwood184. Comment #21470 by Hoddlwood on February 9, 2007 at 10:12 am
Yes, I did go to Simon's link and it has signalled a damascian conversion.185. Comment #21476 by gimlibengloin on February 9, 2007 at 11:19 am
Hoddlwood (184)186. Comment #21489 by Hoddlwood on February 9, 2007 at 12:28 pm
"Hmmm, something tells me your(sic) not serious. Pity.187. Comment #21505 by DWBM on February 9, 2007 at 2:36 pm
What a strange energy policy these young earthers would have if they think that all fossil fuels can re-form in a few thousand years.188. Comment #21646 by gimlibengloin on February 10, 2007 at 10:07 am
DWBM (187) says,189. Comment #21647 by gimlibengloin on February 10, 2007 at 10:11 am
Hoddlwood190. Comment #21777 by Hoddlwood on February 11, 2007 at 4:25 am
gimlibengloin –191. Comment #21778 by Hoddlwood on February 11, 2007 at 4:29 am
A heathen that I know questions whether Dr Austin's work has ever been repeated by an independent researcher. I assumed that it has not, but as I am new to Creationism I may just be unable to find an example, can you help me convert the Unbeliever, gimlibengloin?192. Comment #21789 by opposablethumbs on February 11, 2007 at 5:29 am
193. Comment #21792 by Hoddlwood on February 11, 2007 at 5:37 am
Evidence and reason are the tools of the devil, opposablethumbs.194. Comment #21866 by opposablethumbs on February 11, 2007 at 9:19 am
195. Comment #22020 by Hoddlwood on February 12, 2007 at 11:06 am
gimlibengloin, you must help me.196. Comment #22349 by DWBM on February 15, 2007 at 1:34 am
188.197. Comment #22355 by epeeist on February 15, 2007 at 4:01 am
198. Comment #22435 by gimlibengloin on February 17, 2007 at 8:30 am
Hoddlwood (190)199. Comment #22436 by gimlibengloin on February 17, 2007 at 8:37 am
Hoddlwood200. Comment #22440 by gimlibengloin on February 17, 2007 at 12:19 pm
epeeist (197)
151. Comment #19287 by Hoddlwood on January 26, 2007 at 5:16 am
gimlibengloin - 149Your post implies an absence of acumen on your part
You say: "The engineer is in a position to determine design as opposed to chance when he sees it"
This is typical creationist nonsense. Firstly no one suggests that chance creates organisms. If you think evolution is a chance process you are a fool. Much like McIntosh. Secondly, the characteristics of design that you mention is just the twisted incredulous illusion of the religious. Just because your mind is too limited to imagine a cause of complexity other than intelligent design does not mean such a cause is impossible, or even without evidence. We have the evidence, it is overwhelming.
My mention of McIntosh's lack of an O-level in biology was just light hearted way of saying that he lacks the understanding, at even the most basic level, of the evidence for evolution. Additionally, like you, he thinks it is a chance process. If he sat an exam in a school today and displayed this kind of 'knowledge' he'd fail. As he would if he said that the 'evidence' from the bible is infallible, even when contradicted by peer reviewed scientific consensus. Which brings me to...
Highlighting his belief in a 6,000 year old earth is an entirely appropriate criticism. Anyone who claims to be a scientist cannot, not for even a second, deny the evidence for a very very very old earth. To suggest that the evidence is wrong and it is actually only a matter of a few millennia in age is just plain stupid. There is no other word for it. If you believe this too you are merely making the same idiotic error. It is not bias that I demonstrate it is knowledge of the evidence. It is McIntosh who is biased (and you I assume) because he lets the Bible be the ultimate source of evidence for his beliefs. How scientific is that?
Intelligent atheists (is there any other sort?) don't deny evolution because there is too much evidence for it to be false. I don't believe in evolution because I am an atheist. I am an atheist because of evolution. You have got this the wrong way round entirely. Just because YOU start with the premise of a god and infer all from that does not mean we do the same with a premise that god does not exist. If evolution was false and intelligent design was supported by the evidence then I would believe in a god. Evolution has evidence; ID does not, so I don't. If you can't describe my position correctly then don't bother at all.
Re: 1% of fossils. By the way, 1% is perfectly ok to make judgements from, providing the sample is representative of the population of as a whole. Political pollsters make pretty accurate predictions of voting intentions with a far smaller sample than this. Additionally the sheer amount of organisms that have ever lived is staggering, so 1% of this number is still a very large amount. 1% of plenty is still plenty.
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