









Christians and Atheists to Debate Existence of God in First-Ever 'NIGHTLINE FACE OFF'Perhaps you think that anyone who says that he can prove the existence of God is a dreamer. Maybe, like most people, you believe that the issue is a matter of "faith." Then we must be dreamers, because we can prove that God exists, scientifically, absolutely, without mentioning faith or even the Bible. Do you find that hard to believe? Then watch the debate. - Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron
We are dedicated to responding to irrational claims -- such as the ones being put forth by Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron that they can prove the existence of God scientifically. We are here to prove that not only can they not do that, but that it cannot be done using the scientific method and the knowledge available to us today.
- The Rational Response Squad
2. Comment #37114 by rydrum2112 on May 3, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Spinoza-You should ask Richard, he spent an afternoon with them. If they handle themselves appropriately I dont think there is any need to say it will make atheists look stupid.3. Comment #37115 by ClemIsMe on May 3, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Nightline gives this nonsense popular legitimacy. I suppose you have to applaud someone taking up the challenge for reason, but I very much doubt it will gain rationalists much credence - I fear the opposite. Never deabate an actor, even a very bad actor.4. Comment #37117 by Phaderus on May 3, 2007 at 12:21 pm
5. Comment #37121 by Rtambree on May 3, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Thank you for debating the Rational Response Squad. Please hold - someone will be with you shortly. Your arguments are important to us.6. Comment #37122 by Canuck#1 on May 3, 2007 at 12:35 pm
7. Comment #37124 by scottishgeologist on May 3, 2007 at 12:36 pm
8. Comment #37125 by Shatite on May 3, 2007 at 12:36 pm
9. Comment #37127 by BaronOchs on May 3, 2007 at 12:40 pm
10. Comment #37130 by roach on May 3, 2007 at 12:49 pm
All the RRS has to do is let Cameron and Comfort talk. They'll quickly demonstrate they have nothing intelligent to say.11. Comment #37133 by bdrasin on May 3, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Perhaps you think that anyone who says that he can prove the existence of God is a dreamer. Maybe, like most people, you believe that the issue is a matter of "faith." Then we must be dreamers, because we can prove that God exists, scientifically, absolutely, without mentioning faith or even the Bible. Do you find that hard to believe? Then watch the debate. - Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron
12. Comment #37134 by Yorker on May 3, 2007 at 12:56 pm
13. Comment #37135 by Fishpeddler on May 3, 2007 at 12:56 pm
14. Comment #37136 by VanYoungman on May 3, 2007 at 12:57 pm
15. Comment #37137 by Fishpeddler on May 3, 2007 at 1:00 pm
16. Comment #37143 by Fishpeddler on May 3, 2007 at 1:08 pm
17. Comment #37145 by diquea on May 3, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Ugh, I have to agree with Spinoza. I definitely would not consider Sapient and his crew the best and brightest representatives of the reasoning for the atheist position.18. Comment #37151 by willerror on May 3, 2007 at 1:32 pm
--"On the Day of Judgment," Comfort tells one man on the streets of New York, "God will see you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. You have sinned against God. You need his forgiveness."--19. Comment #37158 by justme on May 3, 2007 at 1:52 pm
20. Comment #37160 by urbster1 on May 3, 2007 at 2:11 pm
21. Comment #37164 by Liveliest Crib on May 3, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I'll echo the concerns that this debate will not be productive. It will be closer to something on Hannity & Colmes or professional wrestling than it will, say, the polite discussion between Dawkins and the Bishop of Oxford. I could be wrong, but the forum does not bode well.22. Comment #37166 by relevo on May 3, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Of course, I'm always for giving acclamations to Brian and Kelly, but in this case I don't think even the network will at all be on their side. My guess is people will see Kirk, and think, "Hey, that's the guy from the sitcom who was on those Christian movies advertised on NBC. What a great guy."23. Comment #37168 by Fedler on May 3, 2007 at 2:38 pm
24. Comment #37169 by CruciFiction on May 3, 2007 at 2:39 pm
ABC debate streaming is re-scheduled for May 9 at 1 pm ET25. Comment #37171 by KRKBAB on May 3, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Hey Folks, this is my very first posting! I don't type too fast and I'm not totally up on computor lingo.26. Comment #37172 by Aaron SF on May 3, 2007 at 2:52 pm
27. Comment #37175 by Eureka Step on May 3, 2007 at 3:06 pm
28. Comment #37176 by perkyjay on May 3, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Do we really care how this "debate" works out. It's only a blip on the screen of a major epic. Even if the christians win hands down, truth is on the side of the atheists - that cannot change or be changed by one debate. I think the atheist cause is gaining ground by leaps and bounds and one must accept that our cause cannot win every skirmish, and this is really all it is - a minor skirmish.29. Comment #37178 by Fishpeddler on May 3, 2007 at 3:10 pm
30. Comment #37179 by perkyjay on May 3, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Re: 13736 by Van Youngman: The excuse that your student gave sounds suspiciously similar to the classic "the dog ate my homework". Whether or not you accept it is entirely your decision, but I would be suspicious of it. Can you lend her your copy of TGD and extend the deadline for her ?31. Comment #37180 by room101 on May 3, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Hold on a second...32. Comment #37181 by Riley on May 3, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Ray Comfort:
"we can prove that God exists, scientifically, absolutely, without mentioning faith or even the Bible."
33. Comment #37182 by Bonzai on May 3, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Are these the guys with the banana?34. Comment #37183 by KRKBAB on May 3, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Thanks Fishpeddler. Did I write: "I don't type too fast"? ouch. that's pretty horrible grammer. guess I'm really exposed now as an American. Concerning the "debate",- fodder. But no press is bad press. Atheism is definately becoming "a" topic. No matter what type of coverage, it's still in the news and growing, how could it not! People are finally seeing the rediculousness (shit, no spell check) of faith.35. Comment #37191 by bhyde on May 3, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Three minutes before the debate the RRS should announce that due to unfortunate circumstances they would not be able to participate. Instead, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris will be filling in. Let's see if the Banana Boys still would like to take the challenge. This thing has "set up" written all over it36. Comment #37198 by mbcraig11 on May 3, 2007 at 4:23 pm
I agree with you bhyde. The existance of god is a very hot topic right now and any opportunities to debate on national television at this point are extremely important. I like the RRS but I would much rather prefer to see someone like Sam, or Christopher participate in this debate. Both of the men are extremely articulate and are excellent represenatives of the athiest postion on this issue.37. Comment #37200 by maton100 on May 3, 2007 at 4:28 pm
38. Comment #37201 by Jack Rawlinson on May 3, 2007 at 4:28 pm
39. Comment #37205 by Dog Boots on May 3, 2007 at 4:39 pm
I'm looking forward to this. We all know how these things usually go, yet I'm a bit interested in this. The reason being that I've never seen Kirk & Ray being countered by anyone but random people they themselves have picked out on the street, whom definitely were not very well versed in this debate, but were "weak atheist/agnostics".40. Comment #37212 by Riley on May 3, 2007 at 5:36 pm
41. Comment #37215 by pewkatchoo on May 3, 2007 at 5:43 pm
42. Comment #37219 by bhyde on May 3, 2007 at 6:19 pm
I think if RRS takes a look at http://www.wayofthemaster.com/ they will see the gist of the argument that the Banana Twins will be making. It is clear from their intro they will try to debunk evolution and make an appeal to emotion. They are going to try the 'ol evolution-is-wrong-so-god-must-be-right tactic. They lay their hand on the table quite clearly at the above link. It should be child's play to wax the floor with these guys. Technically.43. Comment #37239 by wagnerpe on May 3, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Ha, Banana Twins...I like that.44. Comment #37240 by Edanator on May 3, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Re: Comment #37212 by Riley45. Comment #37244 by Fishpeddler on May 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm
46. Comment #37252 by Fishpeddler on May 3, 2007 at 9:33 pm
47. Comment #37259 by Zaphod on May 3, 2007 at 10:47 pm
48. Comment #37261 by MelM on May 3, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Stay on "existence."49. Comment #37272 by macronencer on May 4, 2007 at 12:34 am
50. Comment #37284 by bamboospitfire on May 4, 2007 at 1:45 am
1. Comment #37090 by Spinoza on May 3, 2007 at 11:11 am
It's a shame that atheist philosophers know better than to debate theists... because they'd at least have a better chance of getting the point across... the Rational Response Squad sounds like a bunch of teenagers who are just angry with "God"...
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