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Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the most prominent advocate of free speech and women's rights in the Muslim world, and for this she must live under perpetual armed guard, even in the West. Unfortunately, on October 1st of this year, the Dutch government officially rescinded its promise to protect her. Now, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's friends, colleagues and admirers must come to her aid. 2. Comment #88836 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 3:50 am
I wonder if we'll also be obliged to finance the protection of every other Muslim who stands up against Islam or is it just the pretty ones?3. Comment #88865 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 5:01 am
I'm sure we're all open-minded enough not to be swayed by comments either way. Unless of course, there are some people who think that only supportive comments should be made lest others be dissuaded from making a contribution. And seriously though, are they really expecting to get 4 to 6 million dollars out of us for this? Part of "coming out" is assuming the risks just like everyone else.4. Comment #88872 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 5:20 am
63. Comment #88868 by SilentMike on November 19, 2007 at 5:12 am
Some of us assume greater risks than others.
5. Comment #88877 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 5:35 am
66. Comment #88875 by SilentMike on November 19, 2007 at 5:30 am
That's a good point appleby. I don't know about you but I have yet to receive any concrete death threats in my many years of atheism.
6. Comment #88917 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 6:59 am
"In the event that money remains after these costs have been met, it will be used to encourage and protect other dissidents in the Muslim world."
7. Comment #89037 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 2:53 pm
PS: (SilentMike) Appleby's comments were removed. He crossed the line.
8. Comment #89144 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Well I don't know why exactly I've been sidelined into the "Alternate Comment Thread" but am glad there is at least some semblance of free inquiry on this site in that I've not been completely silenced for my dissenting views. Never mind that Josh has irreversibly intimidated other atheists from "stepping out of line" (whatever that means at this particular moment) and shamed me with the label "troll", which I am certainly not. Here's what I think. We are (perhaps unconsciously) unnecessarily showing a special kind of support to Ayaan because she's a black woman. White people (liberals in America, especially) are so ashamed of their racist past - and they should be - that they will use an example like Ayaan to prove to the world that they are no longer like that. So much in fact, we probably wouldn't go as far for even a white woman. If it takes millions of dollars to protect each Muslim dissident like Ayaan, we are fighting a losing battle or at the very least, taking the wrong approach. I admire Ayaan for all the things she does for free thought but she is a poor example for the rest of the Muslim world and girls like her former self. How many of them would receive the same support and protection from us when they no doubt face a similar threat? We are sending the wrong message to future dissidents in the Muslim world and might even be responsible for *their* deaths which we simply cannot afford to prevent. If Ayaan's life really is so threatened, perhaps she shouldn't be doing any of this at all or stop doing it now. It certainly isn't worth her life. She's better off living out her days quietly somewhere. A few bodyguards are not going to stop determined extremists from getting their way, especially with all her public appearances and their willingness to give up even their own lives.9. Comment #89186 by Appleby on November 20, 2007 at 12:44 am
I've been reading the regular thread and am frankly amazed. Why is everyone worshiping Josh and trembling at his every word for simply running this site? You'd think the Richard Dawkins FOUNDATION would be able to afford a full time administrator that doesn't need a superficial pat on the back just to do his job. We atheists are becoming a sorry lot and very much like a religion starting out. Every time there's a problem, just milk the community for more money. Sheesh! We've also got some people (cough! Logicel cough!) trying to throw political correctness at us or threaten to leave. Good riddance to people like her, I say.
1. Comment #88817 by Appleby on November 19, 2007 at 3:06 am
Even if something were to happen to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, we can rest assured there will be others who will follow in her example. Our time has come.Other Comments by Appleby