An Inquisition in science's name2. Comment #51059 by krogercomplete on June 21, 2007 at 10:19 am
I conclude by suggesting that the proponents of faith and the proponents of science should agree on at least one vital point: The rights of human beings to freedom of conscience and expression should never again nor in the future be abrogated in the name of either faith or science. Do you agree?
3. Comment #51062 by PeterK on June 21, 2007 at 10:29 am
Oh so THIS was the article RD was referring to at the IdeaCity Conference in Toronto on Wednesday, but eventually didn't get around to explaining what it's contents were.4. Comment #51063 by OhioAtheist on June 21, 2007 at 10:30 am
5. Comment #51064 by tieInterceptor on June 21, 2007 at 10:33 am
6. Comment #51065 by Kervinator on June 21, 2007 at 10:34 am
7. Comment #51067 by Robert Maynard on June 21, 2007 at 10:45 am
What was our great mistake? It was to assume that the church had an absolute monopoly on how truth was to be definedI actually think a bigger problem in their thinking was assuming that 'redemption' could not be facilitated in a way that didn't end in execution. Conversation is all a good idea ever needs to spread - good ideas are contagious. The ideas atheists are criticising are demonstrably bad, because they can barely stand on their own merits.
8. Comment #51068 by edge100 on June 21, 2007 at 10:47 am
Thanks Kervinator for telling everyone a little more about Preston Manning; I was about to when I saw your post.9. Comment #51069 by pewkatchoo on June 21, 2007 at 10:50 am
10. Comment #51070 by edge100 on June 21, 2007 at 10:55 am
Great satire. Where is it from, the Onion?
11. Comment #51071 by Pete_C on June 21, 2007 at 11:06 am
"Whereas we employed fire (literally), you have access to firewalls and anti-virus software that conceivably could relegate most correspondence and written communications infected with the God virus to the cultural trash bin."12. Comment #51075 by Billb on June 21, 2007 at 11:12 am
This one got me really angry. Theology is not a science, period. To make an arguement against science and the scientific method using theology is absurd. The problem with theology is it had no ground to stand on. That was the mistake Cardinal Bellamine. Biology has a solid ground to stand on, peer review, observation and experiment.Any mistakes in knowledge will be modified.13. Comment #51076 by Jack Rawlinson on June 21, 2007 at 11:14 am
14. Comment #51077 by thirdchimpanzee on June 21, 2007 at 11:20 am
Preston Manning comes from the Canadian "Bible Belt" - Alberta, along with fellow faith-heads Stephen Harper and Stockwell Day.15. Comment #51079 by nrvous on June 21, 2007 at 11:30 am
I am writing to you as one who was once as convinced as you are that I understood the nature of reality and how it is best interpreted.
16. Comment #51080 by jonecc on June 21, 2007 at 11:38 am
There is a real issue with children growing up in religious households. I don't think anyone sensible has suggested perfectly good parents should have their children taken away just because they tell them unprovable metaphysical statements are true, but it is necessary to establish the principle that pluralist education for children is a civil right.17. Comment #51081 by Donald on June 21, 2007 at 11:40 am
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (aka Preston Manning): "Unfortunately, in pursuing this course of action, my colleagues and I made a grievous mistake - a mistake that, in the end, seriously discredited ourselves, our conception of reality and the organizations through which we advanced and defended it."18. Comment #51082 by blueollie on June 21, 2007 at 11:41 am
Ok, I'll attempt to treat this article seriously.19. Comment #51083 by konquererz on June 21, 2007 at 11:49 am
20. Comment #51084 by mdowe on June 21, 2007 at 11:50 am
21. Comment #51085 by Bonzai on June 21, 2007 at 12:07 pm
22. Comment #51086 by AlanF on June 21, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Preston Manning's complaint is typical of religious people who know their ideas haven't a leg to stand on, but want others to put their faith on a pedestal -- which is precisely what Dawkins is arguing against.23. Comment #51087 by Bookman on June 21, 2007 at 12:14 pm
This idiot was the mentor of the current idiot in the Prime Minister's office, Stephen Harper, and the two hold the same fundamentalist Xtian beliefs. 75% of the MPs on the government benches are evangelical Christians. They have learned to keep quiet about it, through experience, and I don't think they will try anything too crazy unless, or until, they get a majority government. They are both from the province where a Creationist museum just opened up -- a bit ironic considering that Alberta is the home of Albertosaurus and some of the best fossil fields in the world.24. Comment #51088 by Bonzai on June 21, 2007 at 12:25 pm
a bit ironic considering that Alberta is the home of Albertosaurus and some of the best fossil fields in the world.
25. Comment #51090 by BicycleRepairMan on June 21, 2007 at 12:32 pm
26. Comment #51091 by Bonzai on June 21, 2007 at 12:33 pm
But it seems to me that some of your more zealous colleagues and disciples may be less tolerant and prudent than yourself. For example, does not Sam Harris (author of The End of Faith) display disturbing signs of the inquisitorial temperament that would deny freedom of conscience and expression to those whose positions cannot be scientifically tested and validated?
27. Comment #51092 by thirdchimpanzee on June 21, 2007 at 12:33 pm
I have to say that in over 30 years of living in North America (Canada/USA) I really cannot recall a period like the one we're witnessing where religion is being so publicly challenged, and the likes of Manning and Brownback feel obliged to try and match wits with the unbelievers.28. Comment #51094 by TIKI AL on June 21, 2007 at 12:36 pm
By his own admission this Manning character has claimed to have communicated with the dead. He could be dangerous and may even be a warlock.29. Comment #51096 by D'Arcy on June 21, 2007 at 12:50 pm
30. Comment #51099 by mmurray on June 21, 2007 at 1:03 pm
31. Comment #51101 by Insightful Ape on June 21, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Dear Mr. Manning,32. Comment #51102 by Lauregon on June 21, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Many profess to believe something "spiritual" resides not only in every human, but also in animals, rocks, and trees - by your lights, an unscientific notion. - Preston Manning33. Comment #51103 by Duff on June 21, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Through this whole silly letter I'm thinking, "what a maroon, this cartoon from Saskatoon, what a maroon"! Alright, so its Alberta.34. Comment #51105 by nancy2001 on June 21, 2007 at 1:33 pm
This article is hogwash.35. Comment #51106 by justme on June 21, 2007 at 1:40 pm
36. Comment #51107 by pissinintothewind on June 21, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Outstanding! A true prodigy. Mr Manning is a credit to the religious minded. The use of his imagination goes way beyond the fundamentalist christian norm and exposed like this the similarity between the 16th century roman catholic church and the 21st century Atheist movement is uncanny. As for the next four centuries I predict they will start banging rocks together.37. Comment #51110 by waxwings on June 21, 2007 at 1:59 pm
38. Comment #51112 by waxwings on June 21, 2007 at 2:01 pm
39. Comment #51114 by Dr Benway on June 21, 2007 at 2:08 pm
40. Comment #51115 by D'Arcy on June 21, 2007 at 2:18 pm
I specialized in theology, then considered "the queen of sciences,"
41. Comment #51116 by Scott McMeekin on June 21, 2007 at 2:23 pm
42. Comment #51118 by freestateofmind on June 21, 2007 at 2:31 pm
43. Comment #51122 by hungover on June 21, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Why I ought to club him and eat his bones.44. Comment #51123 by WeeWullie on June 21, 2007 at 2:52 pm
45. Comment #51124 by Lagomort on June 21, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Yeah, the guy is onto us. No one here is about using empirical evidence as a means of figuring out how the world works instead of dogma. We all think we do know, and it is just our ideas against their ideas.46. Comment #51125 by ThomasB on June 21, 2007 at 2:57 pm
47. Comment #51128 by _J_ on June 21, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Apparently Christopher Hitchens and his brother (?) will be on Question Time tonight at 10:35pm (21Jun07) on BBC1.
48. Comment #51130 by wardsie on June 21, 2007 at 3:35 pm
49. Comment #51132 by LeeLeeOne on June 21, 2007 at 3:43 pm
50. Comment #51134 by Dr Benway on June 21, 2007 at 3:49 pm
1. Comment #51057 by arildno on June 21, 2007 at 10:08 am
What an ignorant fool.How DARE he put unevidenced dogma on par with truths carefully found out by evaluating masses of evidence?
The writer is evidently totally ignorant of what science is.
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