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Saturday, August 4, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document The Gullible Age: Review of 'The Enemies of Reason'

by Times Online

Reposted from:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article2198063.ece

Richard Dawkins's book The God Delusion sold a million copies. In a new and hilarious onslaught he pits hard science against astrology, tarot, psychics, homeopathy and other 'gullibiligy'

They sang about it back in the 1960s, taking their clothes off on stage and extolling "mystic crystal revelation and the mind's true liberation". Few back then dared hope that their new age would one day be a broad enough church to embrace the heir to the throne and the wife of a prime minister. Cherie Blair has worn Mexican "bio-electric shield" pendants, Prince Charles endorses alternative medicine, and those hallowed shrines of capitalist consumer-ism Selfridges and Harrods host the Psychic Sisters mediums.

Even modern global oil corporations have used dowsers to search for deposits But now Richard Dawkins, the man who told you that God was not only dead but had all along been a bogeyman invented by bogeymen, has levelled his sights at the whole new age caravanserai, including astrologers, spirit mediums, faith healers and homeopathic medicine. Is it high noon for the Age of Aquarius? It is the believers in Aquarius (and Leo and Taurus and Pisces) who attract the first body blow in Dawkins's new Channel 4 series The Enemies of Reason, which begins next week.

Dawkins is horrified that 25% of the British public has some belief in astrology — more than in any one established religion — and that more newspaper column inches are devoted to horoscopes than to science. Leaning back on a sofa in the faded gothic splendour of Oxford's 14th century New College he sighs with something approaching despair: "It belittles our universe. To have astrologers demeaning astronomy by tapping into the spine-tingling wonder of the universe is . . ." he struggles briefly for a word, then finds one and pronounces it with a keen awareness of the irony: "Sacrilegious!"

For Dawkins, of course, science is a religion, at least in the sense that it is something he fiercely believes in, a belief system that insists its dogma stand up to rigorous "double blind" experimental testing and rejects anything that fails. Those who refuse to put their beliefs to any test, he suggests, do so because they instinctively know they will fail. He gives short shrift to the astrologer Neil Spencer's refusal to explain his "art" beyond claiming it to be a "deep dark mystery". He has more sympathy, though only just, for a group of dowsers attempting to find one canister containing water amid 11 containing sand.

The results are no better than the law of averages — or pure guesswork — leaving one woman close to tears, devastated by the apparent disappearance of her powers.

"I don't enjoy dashing people's lifetime careers, but if their careers are based on claims that are simply wrong . . ." he lets the sentence tail off, implying a good dashing is what they deserve. Not that it does much good. In most cases he has discovered both practitioners and believers immediately invent reasons why the experiment was flawed or a fluke to keep their faith. "The forgivingness of the gullible is amazing," he says.

The closest he can come to sympathy is to quote the British-Brazilian Nobel prize winner Peter Medawar's dismissal of the Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's confused teaching on evolution: "He can be excused of dishonesty only on the grounds that before deceiving others he took great pains to deceive himself."

But the real scorn, and I can almost detect a tinge of repressed involuntary hatred beneath his unfailingly polite exterior, falls on spirit mediums, whom Dawkins clearly believes to be little better than confidence tricksters feeding on the emotionally insecure or damaged. At a new age "trade fair" featured in the first episode of his series we hear Simon Goodfellow, a Midlands card reader, tell him he should prepare for a change in his life. But hinting at retirement to a man in his sixties is hardly a miracle of divination.

Goodfellow, obviously struggling to find something that strikes a chord with this seemingly mild-mannered elderly gentleman in front of him, tries to get a reaction for "a male relative with a G", possibly who has "served in the armed forces" — again hardly a wild guess for a man of Dawkins's age and class, except that he is barking up the wrong family tree. "No, nobody in my family involved in the military at all," is the glacially polite reply. Goodfellow, obviously wishing he had predicted his own ill-fortune for the day, makes a final stab at a "female with E", only to fail equally abysmally. Dawkins refers to the skilled television illusionist and "mind reader" Derren Brown, a master of "cold reading" (and explaining it afterwards) who takes hints and clues from the person or audience, then plays on the reaction, drawing inferences and using basic psychology so that in many cases the person being "read" provides most of the information.

More often than not the "reader" simply offers a variety of obvious routes for them to go down: when he sees someone fighting emotion or close to tears he can say with phoney sincerity: "I'm sensing tragedy here, a death, maybe quite recent." Dawkins says of the mediums: "These are people making money out of others' grief." He is unwilling to see much moral difference between show business types who perform in front of an audience for profit and the spiritualist leaders who conduct essentially similar "services" in so-called churches.

It is not hard to see this as a grey area where new age beliefs and superstitions blend with the old established religions. Have lucky charms and incantations simply supplanted rosaries and Hail Marys? Is there much essential difference between a spiritualist preacher communing with the other side and a priest praying to saints for divine intercession? For Dawkins the traditional religious — or indeed superstitious — defence, that the very concept of belief requires you to make a leap beyond the available evidence, is an insult to human intelligence. But what annoys him most is the people who take chunks of scientific language and blend it into "their own mumbo-jumbo". A woman in Glastonbury (where else?) claimed to have "altered his DNA" back to its original "Atlantean" structure by inserting the "missing triangles".

Dawkins has yet to feel any effect, he says with a smile before adding dismissively: "Of course, it's complete and utter rubbish. DNA is a spiral helix. There are no triangles involved." There is a world-weary incredulity in his voice when he asks me: "Did you see her face? Do you think these people really believe it?" I have to admit that I suspect they do, although faced with Dawkins's searching intellectual gaze, more than one of his interviewees seems forced into what looks suspiciously like a smile of mild embarrassment.

He has not yet caught up with the BBC's imported blockbuster Heroes, in which a twist in DNA in certain individuals brings on mutations that give superpowers, a hugely successful television fantasy piggybacking on what I suggest is a modern trend towards "wistful thinking". "I very much like that science fiction style of imagination which breaks out of the box and imagines things that could be true," he says, but he is no fan of that which takes the science out of the fiction. Obviously not a great television viewer, he also performed the minor miracle of altogether missing The X Files, although he approved of setting the sceptical Agent Scully against the paranormal proselytiser Mulder.

As far as Dawkins is concerned the truth is indeed out there, but too many of us are looking in the wrong direction. I put it to him that his assertion that these unverifiable beliefs "undermine our civilisation" flies in the face of the importance of richness of myth and religious belief to our artistic and cultural inheritance. His answer is straightforward: "I suppose that's an aesthetic judge-ment."

For him there is little more glorious than pure knowledge. "I regard the current backlash against science as a betrayal of the Enlightenment." He deplores the slide in science in British universities. Could it simply be that modern science is too hard for most people, and that superstition and religion have always been a way in which the wonders and vicissitudes of the natural world have been made accessible to the masses? I can see it does not come easy for Dawkins to sympathise with the truly ignorant. "That shouldn't be a licence to lie. The universe doesn't owe us justice," he says. "If people are down on their luck, there's no reason why that should change. There's no reason for people like Hitler and Stalin to get their comeuppance, much as we might like them to. "I shouldn't want people to behave in a particular way on account of a lie, though I expect some politicians would. Tony Benn, for example. I don't think he'd care whether something is true or not — just whether or not it benefits humanity."

I suggest that is more or less classic Marxism, and perhaps where it comes closer to humanism. But this is one area where Dawkins would have more in common with the Romantic poet John Keats's "Beauty is truth, truth beauty", though they might have to argue a bit about the definitions.

A man who holds no truck with established religion is unsurpris-ingly unlikely to have much good to say about Scientology, which purports to use scientific tools such as its controversial "E-meter". "It's purely made-up. It just taps into some 'gullibiligy'. They find some film star or somebody like Tom Cruise or whatever his name is who's thick as two short planks and he becomes a sort of advertisement."

But he has more scorn for the likes of Deepak Cho-pra, the Indian who has written bestsellers with titles such as Quantum Healing, which Dawkins says suggest some spurious linkage between spirituality and cutting edge science. "There is much about quantum theory that sounds almost mystical," he is willing to admit. "Much of it is indeed still plain mystery, but its predictions are stunningly accurate."

What matters is not to use fuzzy references to verifiable scientific theory in order to accrue credibility. Is it also the backlash against science that has delayed appreciation of the true risks of global warming? Dawkins has no doubts about the evidence, and drives a hybrid Toyota Prius, one of the first imported into the country — its dashboard displays are in Japanese — proudly pointing out the indicator that shows when it is running on electric power only. Among the dangers of the revolt against conventional science he cites the widespread rejection of the MMR vaccine after Andrew Wakefield's now discredited report claiming a link to autism.

As Dawkins says: "There might be bad scientists, but that does not mean the methodology of science is bad." For him the acid test is forever and always: "Test it!" This is a principle totally lacking, he charges, at the Royal London Homeopathic hospital, recently refurbished to the tune of £20m, including £10m from the cash-strapped NHS, and with a plaque certifying the endorsement of the Prince of Wales. (His title for episode two of The Enemies of Reason is The Irrational Health Service.) What is undisputed is that homeopathy derived from an early misunderstanding of the principle behind vaccination: that like cures like.

But actually a real vaccine stimulates the body's own immune system to fight the disease. What makes homeopathy so truly absurd in Dawkins's inexorable logic is the idea that a substance becomes more powerful the more it is diluted. The idea, widely believed though totally unproven, is that water retains a "memory" of the molecule, though if it did he points out — as the people of Gloucester might nowadays bear in mind — it would also "remember" the salt, mud and urine it once contained. He cites the statistical probability that "one molecule in every litre of water drunk once passed through the bladder of Oliver Cromwell". Hardly reassuring for royalists.

"I say to doctors who use homeopathy: if you can identify this you'd have discovered a whole new force in physics. Either there is no effect, in which case you shouldn't be charging people money, or there is an effect, in which case you should prove it and win the Nobel prize."

The fact that homeopathic doctors and patients do claim there is a benefit he puts down to the human body's power to restore itself when given the psychological boost of someone else's concentrated concern and attention: the average half hour to an hour, rather than the typical eight-minute NHS GP consultation. "There was a time when old-fash-ioned family doctors used to hand out placebos but now they aren't allowed to because it's against medical ethics. Now it's only the homeopaths who are allowed to benefit from the placebo effect.

"Homeopathy started out about 200 years ago at a time when conventional medicine was considerably more dangerous. At least they weren't applying leeches." Dawkins insists that phenomena including religion, myths, superstition and science need to be seen in their historical context. He quotes the science fiction author Arthur C Clarke's Third Law, "any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

"But you can't simply reverse that and say that because it calls itself magic now it must be future science."

He admits that applied science can be a process of trial and error, but insists that recognising the error is what makes the difference. His own hope would be that in 500 years' time science will have advanced as far as it has in the past 500.

When I suggest that fundamental- ism in Islam — the culture that ironically kept scientific advance alive in the Middle Ages — and a revival of creationism among Christians could turn all that on his head, he closes his eyes and says with deep feeling: "A nightmare!"

The creationists can prepare for a rocky ride from Dawkins the year after next, which will be the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth and 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. "It's going to be a big Darwin year," he says with undisguised relish.

Dawkins doesn't want to ban religion — "as long as it's done between consenting adults in private", he adds only half jokingly.

His ambition is to make people in the 21st century appreciate the world that modern science has given them, rather than rejecting it at the same time as taking its benefits for granted.

"I'm interested in consciousness- raising. In the same way that femi- nists now wouldn't get worked up any more about the phrase 'one woman, one vote', because they've already made us think about the issue."

He can certainly claim to have done that. His atheist treatise The God Delusion, now out in paper- back, has already sold more than 1m copies globally, though he admits he hadn't thought of the possibility that a few people might have bought it to burn it.

He was bemused at one Christian journalist's attempt to maintain that he secretly did harbour a belief in a supreme being. "I might have used the word 'God' in the same way Einstein did when he said 'God doesn't play dice': what he meant was that the universe couldn't be different. He was arguing against Heisen- berg's uncertainty principle." It was one of the few arguments in which science eventually came down against Einstein.

Richard Dawkins can accept people's longing for "something else" — miracles or an afterlife. He just wishes they would look in the proper places. "There is a certain nobility about facing up to the truth. There is something wonderful about understanding!"

Perhaps it's what God gave us a brain for. Oh, dear . . .

The medium who found Dawkins's father on the far side

When Dawkins consulted a medium who has appeared on daytime television and charges £50 for instant phone readings she said she could hear or see his father "on the other side".

He did his best not to look surprised as she continued: "I'm aware of your father stood right behind you. "On a spiritual level he wasn't the most openest man with his thoughts and his feelings. Ummm, I kind of want to say that I do love you and I do care — but that wouldn't have been his character." (Or that of many middle-class father figures of his generation, a sceptic might have said.)

But Dawkins let her continue. "I'm aware that you don't have you dad's photograph out" — it was true, he didn't — "so I'm a little bit concerned why. So I'm going to ask you: why don't you have it out?" Dawkins had a bombshell ready: "Well, he might be aware that I don't have it out because he comes to the house about once a week." "Oh, he's still here," she said, adding after a few seconds: "I don't feel it's working."

"Is that because you thought my father is dead and discovered that he's still alive?"

"No, nothing to do with that. I don't know."

She commented later: "As a clairvoyant you're only as good as the client."

The Enemies Of Reason starts on Channel 4 on August 13

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1. Comment #61356 by Lastmanonearth on August 5, 2007 at 12:17 am

Great stuff!!!

I can't wait to see this.

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2. Comment #61362 by Veronique on August 5, 2007 at 12:51 am

 avatarBugger, I won't hear it here in Australia. Josh, you will repost these won't you? Or has Ch.4 got the copyright on the programmes?

This is a terrific interview. It's all laid out and reported well.

I am so concerned with the public notices that abound in our local newspaper. I did see an advert that claimed you could change your DNA (3x$80 sessions). Holy shit! I wonder how many people parted with their hard-earned cash to go along to that charlatan?

I live in the Byron Bay area on the northern coast of New South Wales. This iconic (at least in the 'alternative community's collective mind) place houses a multitude of new age this, that or the other. With the exception of the mainstream religious types and the dead set atheists, the rest of our (growing! at some 3.1% annually) population believes in the most way out, arcane and BS theories and cults, and sects and fairies and Guru Maharaji and Sai Baba and Barry Long and psychics and tea leaf readers ….. Drives me batty. A growing, utterly cynical business opportunity. I have friends who have adopted some of this stuff. It's so disheartening.

I am thankful that Dawkins and Timesonline referred to mystery and mystical rather than spiritual (loaded word that has been hijacked). Sam Harris and Andrew Sullivan would have fared better if they had adopted this word. Well done RD (and Timesonline for not interpreting:-)).

I am also really pleased that Derren Brown was mentioned. I have watched him in action (from one of the articles featured here). He's something else! He's very, very good.

Gee, I'd love to listen to these. Sighs with frustration Maybe RD will collect these talks together in a book.

I thank you, RD, for recommending John Diamond's book Snake Oil. A beautiful read. I didn't know anything about him until I read the book. Just lovely.

I applaud you (and refuse to bend my knee) for your amazing perseverance, stamina and dedication to the chair you currently hold. No wonder it was created for you. You acquit yourself well.

Now, how the hell am I going to listen to these Ch.4 talks?

Cheers
V

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3. Comment #61363 by Nails on August 5, 2007 at 12:52 am

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Dawkins is horrified that 25% of the British public has some belief in astrology – more than in any one established religion – and that more newspaper column inches are devoted to horoscopes than to science.

Now here is something we can all become involved in - we need to tell our family, colleages and friends about the lies and stupidity of such nonsense. We need to pour scorn on those who pay for astro-texts and the like.
The creationists can prepare for a rocky ride from Dawkins the year after next, which will be the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth and 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. "It's going to be a big Darwin year," he says with undisguised relish.

Can't wait.

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4. Comment #61364 by Nails on August 5, 2007 at 12:55 am

 avatarV,

I am so concerned with the public notices that abound in our local newspaper. I did see an advert that claimed you could change your DNA (3x$80 sessions). Holy shit! I wonder how many people parted with their hard-earned cash to go along to that charlatan?

Jesus, that's bad.
Over here in the UK we only pay £5 for a packet of cigarettes and hope that will do the trick.....

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5. Comment #61365 by Spiral on August 5, 2007 at 12:57 am

 avatarSounds great.

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6. Comment #61368 by Veronique on August 5, 2007 at 1:06 am

 avatarHahaha - good on ya Nails

Please teach me (remember I am only woman - hi Henri) to work out how to get/find/load an avatar. I feel the need coming on ...

Cheers
V

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7. Comment #61369 by gcdavis on August 5, 2007 at 1:12 am

 avatarRD is right to turn his attention to the new age nonsense, however there is an obstacle to overcome; the placebo effect. If you can feel "better" after taking a dummy pill during a clinical trial as some people do, how do you persuade people that clearly want to believe in something magical or supernatural that they are delusional? They often feel that their life, health or whatever has improved.

Maybe if we knew more about how the placebo effect works it would be easier to convince believers. Presumably self-hypnosis must use similar means; I am reminded of a BBC radio 4 program that recorded a man undergoing a vasectomy without anaesthetic, he had apparently hypnotised himself and talked all the way through the procedure. As someone who has experienced the op himself, with a local anaesthetic, it is not something to undertake lightly!

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8. Comment #61371 by Flagellant on August 5, 2007 at 1:25 am

 avatarGood piece, Peter Millar. I can't wait for 13th August.

Wrt to getting the programme to Oz, it'll get there one day, I guess. Mind you, we in the UK could always record it and... (oops - copyright cops might be reading).



Religion - an activity for consenting adults in private.
(This just shows that RD picks up stuff from the threads on his own site as well as admonishing people for posting inappropriately &/or on the wrong thread. Lol)

[Edited for spelling]

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9. Comment #61372 by Russell Blackford on August 5, 2007 at 1:29 am

I consider mainstream religious conservatives and extremists to be the most important target for attack because of their great political influence, but I'm happy to see RD going after these lesser breeds of irrationalist as well. It's not as high a priority (not from my viewpoint, anyway), but it should be entertaining and socially valuable.

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10. Comment #61373 by Corylus on August 5, 2007 at 1:31 am

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But the real scorn, and I can almost detect a tinge of repressed involuntary hatred beneath his unfailingly polite exterior, falls on spirit mediums, whom Dawkins clearly believes to be little better than confidence tricksters feeding on the emotionally insecure or damaged.

I hear this one. I once accompanied by mother and her friend, one of those people with a life filled with an utterly unfair amount of bereavement (several dead children) to a show given by a well known British medium. The entire theatre in which it was held was packed - a sellout.

The atmosphere was awful. There was this mixture of a simple desire to see someone "from the telly" in the flesh, the hope for a good 'show', ghoulish curiosity, and (worst of all) underneath all of it a dreadful sense of desperation.

N.B. My mother's friend was not picked out, but one man was made very happy by being 'visited' by his dead dog.

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11. Comment #61375 by NJS on August 5, 2007 at 1:54 am

When watching one of the pieces of Hitchens having a go at Falwell I found one thing I thought he got wrong. His opinion was that Falwell knew his message was a lie and was effectively a con man driven by greed. I think his message was BS but he did believe it.

I think the people referred to in this piece fall into both camps but the ones who are "honest" con men know that they can use the classic defence of respect for beliefs to get away with it. That why I feel this fits in with the anti-religion big picture.

If people had the courage to say "You may believe it but its garbage which makes charging people extortion or fraud" then we could extend that to other realms.

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12. Comment #61378 by Nails on August 5, 2007 at 2:03 am

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"No, nobody in my family involved in the military at all," is the glacially polite reply.

Was RD playing devil's advocate here? I thought that his father was an officer, so maybe I'm just plain wrong or he was trying to see if the 'psychic' (psychotic?) could see through him.

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13. Comment #61384 by Quetzalcoatl on August 5, 2007 at 2:16 am

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She commented later: "As a clairvoyant you're only as good as the client."


Ha ha ha. I'm definitely going to watch this.

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14. Comment #61389 by Veronique on August 5, 2007 at 2:42 am

 avatar12. Comment #61378 by Nails

I think RD's father was in the bureaucracy, (military maybe - I think I read that as well).

Not sure, but it sounds more than reasonable. Still caught by the prevailing bureaucratic (with a religious/moral undertone) thinking really. Seemed pretty normal in the 40s and 50s. RD is just over one year older than I am. Cultural imperatives were pretty strong. They were pretty dire straits, those days.

I was a kid and so was RD - you pick up a lot of the surrounding thought profiles as a kid. You don't really sort through them until you are older. RD has. So, I hope, have I. Doesn't mean they weren't imperatives during their time:-)

Cheers
V

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15. Comment #61391 by Flagellant on August 5, 2007 at 2:58 am

 avatarWikipedia: His father, Clinton John Dawkins, was a farmer and former wartime soldier...

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins )



Religion - an activity for consenting adults in private.

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16. Comment #61392 by Richard Dawkins on August 5, 2007 at 3:01 am

 avatarRe Comment £61378 by Nails.

In the Second World War, British males of military age were in the forces unless there was a very good reason not to be, and my father was no exception. He was 24 when war broke out in 1939, and he duly became an officer in the King's African Rifles. The only reason his military service is mentioned in biographical notes on me is that my birth happened to coincide with his brief time in the army.

I naturally assumed that the clairvoyant meant a CAREER soldier (sailor or airman) not a wartime volunteer or conscript. Men who are known socially as Major, Colonel etc are ALWAYS career soldiers (or up to no good). If the clairvoyant's prophecy were to be anything more than trivial, he had to be talking about something more than wartime service, and he would have known this himself.

It is also true that, if you interpret 'male relative' so widely that it includes great uncles, cousins etc, most people could probably dig up a male relative who had a lifelong military career. If 'male relative' is interpreted in this wide sense, and also if 'military' includes wartime service, surely literally all of us must have a male relative who would qualify. That is one of the ways 'psychics' get away with it. Their divinations are so wide as to include just about everybody, if their audience is prepared to cut them the necessary slack -- which unfortunately it usually is.

Richard

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17. Comment #61396 by Ben Jennings on August 5, 2007 at 3:10 am

 avatar"I consider mainstream religious conservatives and extremists to be the most important target for attack because of their great political influence, but I'm happy to see RD going after these lesser breeds of irrationalist as well."

I know what you mean, but I wouldn't be underestimating the importance of these people. Presumably, part of the point of Dawkins' new series is that the Enlightenment has at least as many enemies on the left as it does on the right, and since many of these enemies sit on academic faculties (especially of course in the Humanities) they are indeed very influential.

Perhaps the fact that we are tempted to regard them as a "lesser breed" is exactly what's dangerous about them.

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18. Comment #61400 by Northern Bright on August 5, 2007 at 3:36 am

 avatarI am so delighted that Richard Dawkins is tackling this New Age nonsense and, although I can see where Russell Blackford is coming from with his point about the sheer power of the mainstream religions, I do genuinely think New Age is a highly legitimate target in its own right.

I don't see swarms of people converting to Christianity, but I am shocked on an almost daily basis by the quantities of people who refer without either irony or embarrassment to karma or crystals or homeopathy or telepathy or reiki or spirit guides or angels or reincarnation or "sending healing" or tarot or mediums or star signs or whatever. I was in my local Borders bookshop the other day and was just appalled at seeing shelf upon shelf upon shelf devoted to this complete and utter codswallop. There was as much on this nonsense as on all the mainstream religions put together.

I find it gutting that people should reject mainstream religion - only to run headlong into the outstretched arms of a set of even more ludicrous and infantile beliefs. I call this New Age stuff "Religion Lite" - it offers all the comfort of standard religion (you don't really die, you've always got someone powerful and good looking out for you, you live in a benign universe, everything happens for the best) whilst stripping out all the elements that are inconvenient (the requirement to live by certain rules, to apply some discipline to your life, to spend time worshipping etc).

I'm no fan of mainstream religion but there's no doubt that alongside its many obscenities over the centuries it has also inspired acts of tremendous bravery and self-sacrifice; or that it has inspired some truly magnificent works of art and architecture, poetry and music. I can see on one level why a magnificent organ thundering in a towering and ancient cathedral, along with a stirring liturgy, might make their mark on an appropriately prepared mind. But can you imagine any of this New Age flotsam and jetsam inspiring anything at all?

At least the mainstream religions offer a challenge along with the wishful thinking. New Age is just wishful thinking - lousy, lazy, ignorant, illogical, nauseating wishful thinking. It's intellectual candy floss. It's like throwing out the baby and keeping the bathwater.

And, like Richard Dawkins (to judge from this review), I just can't rid myself of the suspicion (or is it just the hope?) that these people don't really believe this stuff. I mean, how could they possibly? I can see (kind of - though not without pain) why they might like it to be true …. but to really, actually, genuinely believe that it IS? Honestly, it gives me brain ache.

To return to Russell's point, though, I do actually see real harm in all this stuff. OK, I don't live in fear of someone flying an aeroplane into a packed skyscraper in the name of reiki. But the New Age movement is taking hold of many people's minds and strangling any commitment to rational enquiry, rational thought, and rational behaviour. It is not just feeding off the prevailing anti-science atmosphere but actively fuelling it - and this at a time when we need all the rational, scientific thinking we can get if we are to rise to the real challenges facing the world (global warming to name just one).

If anyone here hasn't read Richard Dawkins' book A Devil's Chaplain, I can highly recommend it. It contains a chapter addressing all this kind of nonsense - with the delightful title of "Crystalline Truths and Crystal Balls". If you haven't read it, you have a treat in store!

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19. Comment #61403 by jeepyjay on August 5, 2007 at 3:47 am

 avatarI don't suppose Richard is actually going to be able to interview Prince Charles or Cherie Blair to find out how they justify their support for alternative ideas?

From a few people I know who are into astrology or paganism I get the impression that they are not interested in whether what they believe is the "scientific truth". They adopt it purely as a "lifestyle" choice. They are aware of this.

It is a matter of aesthetics, of the "art of life". It is a way of belonging to your own little private and limited and cosy world, among people of similar tendencies. I imagine groups of "goths" or the old mods and rockers, or teddy boys, or modern "chavs" are similar.

The problem arises of course when people actually start believing that their fantasies are real. Or when they cynically pretend to other suckers that their magic or astrological symbolism actually does work in the real world, as a way of gaining an income.

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20. Comment #61404 by Corylus on August 5, 2007 at 3:49 am

 avatarRe Comment 6. By Veronique

I have sent you a pm with instructions as to how to sort out an avatar: took me a while to work it out myself.

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21. Comment #61406 by rufustfirefly on August 5, 2007 at 3:51 am

"As a clairvoyant you're only as good as the client". I like that.

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22. Comment #61407 by denoir on August 5, 2007 at 4:04 am

 avatarReally looking forward to this series as all this new age nonsense - especially alternative 'medicine' need to be fought.

All my relatives are atheists but unfortunately a few of them subscribe to a number of pseudo-scientific beliefs (homeopathy mostly). I've argued with them about it on a number of occasions and it was interesting to see that they use the same fallacies to defend their position as the religious crowd does. It seems to be exactly the same mental processes involved.

It might seem like benign nonsense, but it really isn't - especially the alternative 'medicine' which does active harm. While you may say that they deserve it as it's their own stupid choice, there is often a nasty twist to the story. Children are often involved and are the victims of their parents' idiocy.

And don't think for a second that these people don't take their beliefs seriously: a couple that I know got forged vaccination documents for their kid. Instead of the mandatory vaccination their daughter got a homeopathic one (i.e nothing). When people do stuff like that it stops being funny.

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23. Comment #61408 by Russell Blackford on August 5, 2007 at 4:06 am

Just to be clear, folks, I wasn't being disingenuous or ironical when I said I was glad to see RD going after these wingnuts and charlatans. I hope it wasn't taken that way. There's a war of ideas that has to be fought against all the enemies of reason.

These "lesser irrationalists", as I called them, don't have the immense political clout of (say) the pope and the church cardinals. On the other hand, they do real damage at an individual level. Also, there's a cumulative effect of undermining the scientific worldview and the norms of rational inquiry if these folks are allowed to go unchallenged. The war of ideas has to be fought on a whole lot of different fronts.

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24. Comment #61409 by NJS on August 5, 2007 at 4:07 am

I don't suppose Richard is actually going to be able to interview Prince Charles or Cherie Blair to find out how they justify their support for alternative ideas?


Cherie Blair is intelligent though as a "devout" catholic already has a brain washed and ready for nonsense (though Catholicism bizarrely usually looks on these thing with disdain).

Charles is just a waste of space on every level.

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25. Comment #61411 by Cregaune on August 5, 2007 at 4:48 am

 avatar"They find some film star or somebody like Tom Cruise or whatever his name is who's thick as two short planks and he becomes a sort of advertisement."

Wishful thinking I know, but wouldn't it be marvellous if Tom Cruise sued RD for libel and the defence insisted that Mr Cruise take an IQ test?

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26. Comment #61412 by Richard Morgan on August 5, 2007 at 4:53 am

The fact that homeopathic doctors and patients do claim there is a benefit he puts down to the human body's power to restore itself when given the psychological boost of someone else's concentrated concern and attention: the average half hour to an hour, rather than the typical eight-minute NHS GP consultation.

Yep.
That says it all.
How can I be so sure?
Well, I spent years studying most of the solutions on offer for overcoming all the various difficulties that people experience when faced with the arduous task of "living".
From psycho-analysis to Primal Scream therapy.
From NLP to hypnotic previous-life regression therapy.
From astrology to numerology.
From shamanism to transcendental meditation.
I've met clairvoyants, spiritual healers, channellers, Reiki-ers and exorcists.
I've looked into evangelical Christianity and Ananda Marga.
I've been exposed to the healing power of crystals, trees, purgatives and positive thinking.
And guess what? They ALL work. To a certain degree. They all have their miracle success stories.
And many years ago I realised that they all have one thing in common :
the human body's power to restore itself when given the psychological boost of someone else's concentrated concern.

"All you need is love!!!"
I'm looking forward to RD's programmes, but I'm not very optimistic about their overall impact on human gullibility.
Let me end with a sad little anecdote.
Way back, when I was still living in the UK, I had a friend who eked out a humble living as a free-lance journalist, selling mainly to those bastions of the British intelligentsia such as The News of the World, The People and , occasionally the Manchester Evening News. He specialised in "exposing" frauds in all sorts of areas - health, religion, pyramid sales etc.
One time he exposed a con-artist who was selling a miracle cure for baldness. Very expensive bottles of magic lotion which contained nothing but perfumed water. So, the scam as exposed. And that was the end of the story.
Well, not quite. A few weeks later my friend was contacted by the would-be saviour of the world's baldies : "Do you think you could expose me again, please? Business has never been better!"
When I was thirteen, a "medium" gave me a message from my grand father on "the other side of the veil". A very touching message. More so, since at the time all four of my grandparents were alive and well.
The medium was still in business twenty years later.
I must give him credit for one thing, though : today I am sixty-one, and yes, my grandparents are dead. Or on the other side of the veil.
The poor guy must have misinterpreted a premonition. Oh well, happens all the time…

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27. Comment #61429 by Will in Aus on August 5, 2007 at 6:16 am

 avatarI certainly do hope that there is some way I can watch this series over here in Australia soon after it is released. It would be a shame if we had to wait months or even years.

Does anyone know any more information about this?

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28. Comment #61433 by Yorker on August 5, 2007 at 6:21 am

2. Comment #61362 by Veronique

They're TV programs V, if you're very nice to someone, perhaps a DVD will find it's way to you!

*wink, wink*

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29. Comment #61435 by Yorker on August 5, 2007 at 6:32 am

Most of you will know of the "Carlos" experiment James Randi carried out in Australia so I won't describe it in detail.

What amazed me was that after Randi had explained that it had all been a hoax designed by Carlos and himself, people still sent letters to Carlos saying they still believed in him no matter what Randi said!

I guess if people are determined to be stupid there's not much can be done.

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30. Comment #61440 by jakelovatto on August 5, 2007 at 7:02 am

Channel 4's online service 4oD?

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31. Comment #61441 by Mango on August 5, 2007 at 7:09 am

 avatarDawkins' new program on pseudoscience sounds exactly like what Carl Sagan did in his mid-90s book "The Demon Haunted World," which I highly recommend.

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32. Comment #61447 by Sathya_Sai_Baba on August 5, 2007 at 7:25 am

This is priceless!! I'm sorry Richard, but I'm afraid I'll be forced to download your documentary illegally as I live in Australia. If you like, I'll donate a few more bucks to your organisation, however I have bought two of your books so far though ;)

Anyway, this is so funny as my girlfriend and her Mum are totally in to this stuff. Ever since we started going out it's been a bone of contention with us. I won't elaborate as it's lengthy, but I have given her a copy of Richards's "Unweaving the Rainbow". Stayed tuned for later comments relating to their "New Age" medicine theories.

The point is that I recently sat through a "kinesiology balance" delivered by my girlfriend's mum.... What a fucking joke that was. I couldn't say no as they were so genuine in their desire to heal me. So, at my G.P's office the next day, after he prescribed me some antibiotics, (that actually worked despite my alleged bad meridian flow) I asked him his opinions on kinesiology. He summed up all the alternative medicines as just being old tech. Something a little like this: "50 years ago before medicines became widely available to the public, this was the only type of medical treatment you had. So it works, but poorly, the theory behind it is absolutely bogus and based on superstition made-up from trial and error observations, and should be obsolete. Sure you can drive a model-T Ford and it'll get you home, but why would you want to when you've got more efficient, faster and safer models available at cheaper prices (also true of conventional vs. alternative medicines)?"

It's so laughable and yet sad at the same time as you can see the people who believe it, so desperately want to believe it...

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33. Comment #61454 by Traytheist on August 5, 2007 at 7:51 am

 avatarI'm guessing I'll have to wait for the DVD box set, since I never seem to get any of these programs in Canada. On a somewhat related note, talk of James Randi reminded me of Criss Angel's "Mindfreak" episodes where he exposes charlatans who practice cold readings, psychic surgery and the like. While Criss does use a lot of that mystical mumbo-jumbo on his show, he does an excellent job of demonstrating all the ways these people can fleece you if you aren't careful. And his illusions are fantastic!

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34. Comment #61462 by Veronique on August 5, 2007 at 8:35 am

 avatarThanks, Yorker, true friend!! How to be nice? More practice, try hard, thinks - don't swear on this site:-)

18. Comment #61400 by Northern Bright

I am so glad to see you posting. I like you more and more. A lovely breath of fresh air:-).

The shire area I live in has something like 27,000 people. The number of people supporting our new age industry in enormous by percentage. Every street you walk down in Byron has small, commercial cubby-holes where you can buy O2 therapies, get your horoscope print-outs from computer-generated programs, go to new age bookstores and buy an ever mounting number of books on orgone therapy, astrology (very big), nutritional therapy (usual wank – I really dislike this one, because it teaches that supplemental nutritional programs can help your health and that you don't have to understand the fundamentals of nutrition), Bach Flower remedies, get a 'program' of pills to increase your well-being, psychics and tarot card readers, etc.etc.

My friend, you know, the one who believes the Universe monitors her every step, has MS. She is a strikingly tall, handsome woman who has great confidence. It doesn't impair her life (she is blind in one eye), but she actively encourages these charlatans by seeking them out. She's getting better (she has to cope with me:-)), but I can tell you that her faith in these pedlars is difficult to shift. And she has always rejected mainstream religion!! Just supplanted the 'need' with this burgeoning craperoo.

There is little or no difference in the desire to believe in 'something', as it's just as strong a meme.

32. Comment #61447 by Sathya_Sai_Baba. Sigh, isn't it tragico? There is only one person here in Byron, who I know is absolutely immune to this stuff and to the religious meme. She's excellent value. We have been friends for nearly 40 years. She sees the desperation that you mention.

Thanks, Corylus, I'll check my pms:-).

No, Russell, they don't have extant political wielding power, but they are voters and they are numerous. Are they are deluded. BTW - how did your lecture go down tonight? Did Baeoz make it?

Hi Richard M, nice to see you. You have had more to do with these people than I have. I agree with you that it is very difficult to shift even when the practitioners are debunked and their cures are shown to be nothing more than water. It's a dangerous head-space for people to allow themselves into.

Happy birthday, you Leo, you :-). Just getting in the spirit here, you realise.

Cheers
V

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35. Comment #61465 by Ole on August 5, 2007 at 8:46 am

 avatarWe need to get this on TV over here in Norway!
As some of you may know, princess Martha Louise is talking to angels.

Btw, recently, I tried to give a local news paper some critique. (But they did not publish it.) They gave a "con artist" from UK a lot of free publisity, but did not follow up with any critical comments. This guy, Phil Phillips, is talking to dead people, healing, reading tarot cards, etc. etc. I'm sure it was the timing with the princess that made the local newspaper give him all that free publisity.

This Phillips guy has his own web: http://www.phil-phillips.com/

Ole

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36. Comment #61469 by Mash on August 5, 2007 at 9:08 am

This is exactly what we need here in Norway. Can someone make the producers of The enemies of reason persuade a norwegian tv-channel to air this show?
As some of you may know, we've had a little trouble with this new-age crap in norway lately, with our "princess" claiming to have special powers. For example, she believes she can communicate with angels. Very embarrasing for norway indeed..

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37. Comment #61472 by discipline on August 5, 2007 at 9:43 am

I'm afraid that I have to rain on this parade.

I agree with Russell, but go much further. This is not a fruitful direction the "new atheist" movement should be going in. Sure, New Age quackery is probably derived from the same combination of wishful thinking and self-delusion that religion is, but the former is not leading the US and the world into a dangerous theocracy.

Belief in crystals or astrology isn't ruining American public school education, electing far-right born-again leaders, compromising civil rights and reproductive freedom, or compelling people to fly planes into buildings.

We secularists need to pick our battles and this new direction just dilutes our efforts.

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38. Comment #61480 by Veronique on August 5, 2007 at 10:22 am

 avatar33. Comment #61454 by Traytheist

Have you seen Derren Brown? You will enjoy him as well. He's on youtube.

Cheers
V

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39. Comment #61481 by the_assayer on August 5, 2007 at 10:22 am

Discipline-
you say- "We secularists need to pick our battles and this new direction just dilutes our efforts."

I don't think this 'dulution of effort' is dangerous. The Reason all of this quackery continues to exists is because of a prevelant pool of potential "suckers". The aim of secular-rationalists should be to spread reason and not just fight religion. The main reason religion and other cults enjoy special previlages without having to defend their claims is because of a socity that is for the most part apathetic to reason and validation. We have to invigorate the masses to think for themselves and teach then to be skeptical. Relgion may be the elephant in the room, but the room can get bigger if we choose not to be vigilant.

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40. Comment #61482 by Richard Morgan on August 5, 2007 at 10:26 am

discipline:
We secularists need to pick our battles and this new direction just dilutes our efforts.

Dilutes? Or strengthens?

Dilution is usually the result of a futile dispersion of efforts. This is clearly NOT the case here!
New Age lies and illusions harm people, millions of people.Not as dramatically as planes crashing into multi-storey buildings in New York, of course. Not with the same tele-visual psychosis of a divinely-guided state leader, granted. But anything that gets in the way of reason, in any kind of undertaking, sooner or later harms people. Kills people. Poisons societies, handicaps generations. And lots of other very unpleasant things.
So Richard's decision to take on New Age quackery is a perfectly logical development of all his previous and present campaigning.

Vive la vérité!

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41. Comment #61484 by maton100 on August 5, 2007 at 10:44 am

 avatarWait a minute. Horoscopes aren't real? C'mon...

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42. Comment #61485 by Northern Bright on August 5, 2007 at 10:46 am

 avatar
Veronique: 18. Comment #61400 by Northern Bright
I am so glad to see you posting. I like you more and more. A lovely breath of fresh air:-).

Well, thank you! [Blushes]
(Quetzal, don't panic: I have no intention of setting up a rival religious following) ;-)

There is only one person here in Byron, who I know is absolutely immune to this stuff and to the religious meme. She's excellent value. We have been friends for nearly 40 years. She sees the desperation that you mention.
LOL!

37. Comment #61472 by discipline on August 5, 2007 at 9:43 am
Belief in crystals or astrology isn't ruining American public school education, electing far-right born-again leaders, compromising civil rights and reproductive freedom, or compelling people to fly planes into buildings.

We secularists need to pick our battles and this new direction just dilutes our efforts.

I really can't argue with any of the first bit of this, Discipline. I guess we're just coming at this from different perspectives. There's no doubt that religion has a much stronger stranglehold on education and politics in the US than it does in the UK, and I can see how that might lead to the position you're taking.

For me (a Brit) the driving force is my despair at the irrationality I see around me. Religion is certainly a part of that, but in the UK I would say that this New Agey stuff is proving far more powerful as a means of turning people's brains to slush. This may not be the direct threat that you see in religion, but I see a real danger in the spread of a disease that destroys people's ability to think rationally. These mushy-brained people don't just exist in isolation: like everyone else, they drive cars, they teach in schools, they treat the sick, they elect our leaders, they get elected, they make decisions that will have consequences for the rest of us too. I'd just prefer the people I share my life / society / world with to have something stronger than blancmange where their brains should be.

So my personal campaign is against irrationality and sloppy thinking wherever they occur, not just in religion. (After all, a successful campagin against irrationality would encompass religion too, wouldn't it?) I have no difficulty accepting that not everyone will feel the same way, though.

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43. Comment #61490 by Mango on August 5, 2007 at 11:02 am

 avatar
So my personal campaign is against irrationality and sloppy thinking wherever they occur, not just in religion. (After all, a successful campagin against irrationality would encompass religion too, wouldn't it?)


Exactly. Since atheism isn't a worldview, we atheists merely stand against sloppy thinking wherever it crops up. Theists will see themselves being criticized by atheists right next to the New Age quacks. This also shows the public that atheists are not people who just hold some sort of grudge against religion.

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44. Comment #61491 by seals on August 5, 2007 at 11:07 am

 avatarI always thought this new age stuff is pretty harmless. Many years ago just out of curiosity I went to a psychic fair and it was like an amusement arcade sort of atmosphere. Even then I wouldn't dream of relying on it for anything important, and have lost interest now - though it was funny one day at work to be lectured on how my house was a bad layout in feng shui terms as the stairs go straight up from the front door, letting out the energy or something... I thought what do you want me to do, sue Barratts or knock a hole in another wall or what?

Its my impression that those who claim to be experts, even when they are just giving impromptu advice free of charge, are really just massaging their ego on the strength of others' "ignorance" of this claptrap.

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45. Comment #61492 by Northern Bright on August 5, 2007 at 11:08 am

 avatarI expect quite a few of you will have seen this already - but I just love it :-)

http://www.gulligo.com/

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46. Comment #61494 by seals on August 5, 2007 at 11:10 am

 avatarRe: 26. Comment #61412 by Richard Morgan
Way back, when I was still living in the UK, I had a friend who eked out a humble living as a free-lance journalist, selling mainly to those bastions of the British intelligentsia such as The News of the World, The People and , occasionally the Manchester Evening News. He specialised in "exposing" frauds in all sorts of areas - health, religion, pyramid sales etc.
One time he exposed a con-artist who was selling a miracle cure for baldness. Very expensive bottles of magic lotion which contained nothing but perfumed water. So, the scam as exposed. And that was the end of the story.
Well, not quite. A few weeks later my friend was contacted by the would-be saviour of the world's baldies : "Do you think you could expose me again, please? Business has never been better!"


I do wonder if giving this new age stuff too much attention might be counterproductive, as some people might be inclined to think if it's worth confronting, there must be something it it?

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47. Comment #61498 by Serious on August 5, 2007 at 11:16 am

"I consider mainstream religious conservatives and extremists to be the most important target for attack because of their great political influence, but I'm happy to see RD going after these lesser breeds of irrationalist as well."

Do you go after the hardest targets (in this case, the well-organized and well-financed hard-core fundamentalists") or do you try to whittle at the multitude of soft targets (in this case, "small" superstition, everyday magical thinking, and various forms of repeatedly debunked healing techniques)? I think you must do both.

Most of us can personally do little against the hard targets, but have plenty of opportunities to make the soft targets less respectable where we encounter them. I can do little against the Catholic church's exploitation at Lourdes, but I can make certain social situations uncomfortable (and unprofitable) for a quack just by quoting the Amazing Randi or Dawkins.

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48. Comment #61500 by Nails on August 5, 2007 at 11:20 am

 avatar26. Comment #61412 by Richard Morgan on August 5, 2007 at 4:53 am

What are talking about is the placebo effect, as has been noted in previous posts. It works, but the medicine doesn't. And at a time when GPs are not perscribing placebos for ethical reasons (and fear of malpractice lawsuits) then why should these people charge inflated prices for a treatment that doesn't do anything?

Let me pull you some stats to explain.

The success rate of placebos entered folklore when it was shown in trials to be around 35% (Beecher, 1955).
However, other trials have not been so successful, notably Hrobjartsson and Gotzsche in 2001, who concluded the effect was negligable when comparing 100 trials with real medicine, placebo and no treatment at all.
But you can argue either way about how the trials were handled, but the big one for me is that homeopathy and placebos have a zero effectiveness on diabetes and amputations, same as praying. 'nuff said.

37. Comment #61472 by discipline on August 5, 2007 at 9:43 am

This is not the direction the 'new atheist' movement is going, RD is the Charles Simonyi Chair for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. It is his job to increase the understanding of science in the world, and one way to do this is demolish myths, be it superstitions or con-men practising medicine.
The more people know about this sort of racket, the more can be done to quell it.
Simple.

16. Comment #61392 by Richard Dawkins on August 5, 2007 at 3:01 am

Thank you for your clarification. In one of your books (sorry, can't remember which one) you stated your father was an officer - I took this to be an indication of a career soldier as well, but I do understand the likelyhood of older generations engaging in military service, both my grandparents served in WWII.

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49. Comment #61507 by joekoz451 on August 5, 2007 at 12:05 pm

"As a clairvoyant you're only as good as the client."

That sounds awfully like "blame the victim"!

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50. Comment #61511 by Martin S on August 5, 2007 at 12:55 pm

"It belittles our universe. To have astrologers demeaning astronomy by tapping into the spine-tingling wonder of the universe is . . ." he struggles briefly for a word, then finds one and pronounces it with a keen awareness of the irony: "Sacrilegious!"


Yeah well as a Capricorn that's just the sort of thing he would say.

(Sorry - couldn't resist)

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