Honest Mistakes or Willful Mendacity[Dawkins] compares those who take comfort from traditional religion to people stuck for the night on a bare mountain, who warm to the appearance of a large St Bernard dog, "not forgetting, of course, the brandy barrel around its neck".
Consolation, in the Shorter Oxford Dictionary, is the alleviation of sorrow or mental distress. I shall divide consolation into two types.
1. Direct physical consolation. A man stuck for the night on a bare mountain may find comfort in a large, warm St Bernard dog, not forgetting, of course, the brandy barrel around its neck. A weeping child may be consoled by the embrace of strong arms wrapped around her and reassuring words whispered in her ear.
2. Consolation by discovery of a previously unappreciated fact, or a previously undiscovered way of looking at existing facts. A woman whose husband has been killed in war may be consoled by the discovery that she is pregnant by him, or that he died a hero. We can also get consolation through discovering a new way of thinking about a situation. A philosopher points out that there is nothing special about the moment when an old man dies. The child that he once was "died' long ago, not by suddenly ceasing to live but by growing up. Each of the seven ages of man "dies' by slowly morphing into the next. From this point of view, the moment when the old man finally expires is no different from the slow "deaths' throughout his life. A man who does not relish the prospect of his own death may find this changed perspective consoling. Or maybe not, but it is an example of consolation through reflection.
The atheist "philosopher's" view you cite argues that when an old man dies, "The child that he once was "died' long ago. . . From this point of view, the moment when the old man finally expires is no different from the slow 'deaths' throughout his life." Tell that to a teenager dying of cancer, and his family.
There can be few people alive today who would boast ethical superiority over the novelist Fyodor Dostoyevsky. You depict the powerful character of Ivan Karamazov, in Dostoyevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, as believing that if God does not exist then everything is permitted. In other words, a world without belief in God is bound to be a world of unbridled crime and sin. It does of course appear rather a crass viewpoint; and it surely seems odd that Dostoyevsky, as you claim, shared in that crassness.
It is widely believed that Dostoevsky was of that opinion, presumably because of some remarks he put into the mouth of Ivan Karamazov.
Perhaps naively, I have inclined towards a less cynical view of human nature than Ivan Karamazov.
You are happy to inform your readers, with the neat disclaimer -- "Perhaps naively' -- that you have inclined towards a less cynical view of human nature than Dostoevsky.
There seems to be a misunderstanding between you and the great novelist, perhaps as a result of your misreading of his work . . .
You refer to believers as "faith sufferers", and you refer to you and your associates as "we doctors".
2. Comment #68153 by jamerg on September 6, 2007 at 8:58 am
Wow. I just listened to the Today Programme was was genuinely scandalised - I can't imagine how Richard felt. Cornwell was simply totally misrepresenting things as RD's opinion (eg. Richard Dawkins thinks that any form of religion is the same as paedophilia). It was really quite breathtaking and I imagine the book to be more of the same.3. Comment #68154 by Shrunk on September 6, 2007 at 8:58 am
4. Comment #68155 by Jack Rawlinson on September 6, 2007 at 8:58 am
5. Comment #68156 by Dutch_labrat on September 6, 2007 at 9:03 am
6. Comment #68158 by BicycleRepairMan on September 6, 2007 at 9:09 am
Wow. I just listened to the Today Programme was was genuinely scandalised - I can't imagine how Richard felt.
7. Comment #68159 by epeeist on September 6, 2007 at 9:10 am
8. Comment #68163 by Geraint on September 6, 2007 at 9:19 am
No doubt clunking sarcasm about a position your opposite number doesn't hold, likeTell that to a teenager dying of cancer, and his family.
9. Comment #68167 by Prufrock on September 6, 2007 at 9:22 am
I am a little surprised that Professor Dawkins is shocked by the ability of the faithful to simply distort and lie. Any healthy and sane skeptic who has found himself in the midst of believers will know how intimidating it can be to attempt to intelligently question the premises of belief in their company. I tried to get a couple of christian acquaintences to read TGD, in return I would re read their doctrines. I may as well have told them I wanted to be the virgin mary's first. It aint gonna happen and that is a non-negotiable. You see it my way or bye way. Why do you need to understand anything when you already know the answer is god? They only want to win the argument, not tell the truth. These people will never ever play the position. They only play what they believe should be played and it's the same in all positions. Unfortunately, life is not a game of chess; hypocrisy and lies often win this game. These people have been misrepresenting reality all of their lives. Professor Dawkins should know this and should really expect more of the same and some. These people are not nice!!!10. Comment #68169 by The author on September 6, 2007 at 9:23 am
11. Comment #68170 by Teratornis on September 6, 2007 at 9:30 am
12. Comment #68171 by TrashcanMan79 on September 6, 2007 at 9:30 am
Lying for Jesus. Someone really should write a book with that title. Either a very vitriolic atheist or an honest christian apologist (if such a thing exists.)
13. Comment #68173 by drive1 on September 6, 2007 at 9:37 am
14. Comment #68175 by Daniel_Greenwood on September 6, 2007 at 9:41 am
15. Comment #68176 by jimbob on September 6, 2007 at 9:43 am
This gives me the opportunity to post what I wrote privately to RD a few days ago. What about the idea (below) Richard?16. Comment #68178 by Richard Dawkins on September 6, 2007 at 9:46 am
Lying for Jesus. Someone really should write a book with that title.
17. Comment #68180 by Northern Bright on September 6, 2007 at 9:49 am
18. Comment #68181 by jonecc on September 6, 2007 at 9:52 am
I think something slightly subtler may be going on.19. Comment #68182 by toomanytribbles on September 6, 2007 at 9:56 am
20. Comment #68183 by hungarianelephant on September 6, 2007 at 9:56 am
21. Comment #68184 by Ophelia Benson on September 6, 2007 at 9:58 am
"Does Cornwell seriously imagine that I would applaud Social Darwinism? Nobody nowadays applauds Social Darwinism, and I have been especially outspoken in my condemnation of it (see, for example, the title essay that begins A Devil's Chaplain)."22. Comment #68185 by dbunker on September 6, 2007 at 9:59 am
I don't know why we continue to expect a different kind of response from the intelligent and educated than from the willfully ignorant. When people are forced to examine strongly held beliefs, the reaction is often anger. The difference between them seems to be in the tools they use to fight back. I'm more comfortable with the raised voices and profanity I sometimes recieve than the apparently cold blooded misrepresentation of TGD that Cornwell seems capable of.23. Comment #68186 by Teratornis on September 6, 2007 at 10:09 am
24. Comment #68189 by Jack Rawlinson on September 6, 2007 at 10:14 am
25. Comment #68195 by Northern Bright on September 6, 2007 at 10:23 am
When religious people think, particularly the less literal kind that we often label moderates, they don't seem to analyse as such. Instead, they weave dense webs of allusion in which anything can mean virtually anything else, and the experience of saying it or thinking it is of more interest than its truth value.
26. Comment #68197 by waxwings on September 6, 2007 at 10:28 am
27. Comment #68198 by robotaholic on September 6, 2007 at 10:30 am
28. Comment #68199 by steve99 on September 6, 2007 at 10:30 am
29. Comment #68200 by John P on September 6, 2007 at 10:31 am
Oops, there goes #9 again
30. Comment #68201 by Friend Giskard on September 6, 2007 at 10:34 am
Willful Mendacity
31. Comment #68204 by jimbob on September 6, 2007 at 10:53 am
More on "Oops there goes #9 again!"32. Comment #68206 by Haymoon on September 6, 2007 at 10:56 am
33. Comment #68208 by Northern Bright on September 6, 2007 at 11:03 am
Why the Latinate periphrasis? Just call him a liar. Since he demostrably is a liar, to do so should be quite lawyer-proof.
34. Comment #68210 by Prufrock on September 6, 2007 at 11:10 am
Cornwell is a professional and has a duty to be fair and accurate in his appraisal of anything brought to his professional attention. Falling in love with X doesn't give you the right to tell lies about Y, does it. By all means remain starry-eyed or addicted - we all do it - but in the end don't misrepresent.35. Comment #68211 by Theocrapcy on September 6, 2007 at 11:15 am
36. Comment #68217 by EgoSumNemo on September 6, 2007 at 11:34 am
37. Comment #68220 by Yorker on September 6, 2007 at 12:03 pm
19. Comment #68181 by jonecc38. Comment #68223 by Flagellant on September 6, 2007 at 12:20 pm
39. Comment #68224 by amanda marie on September 6, 2007 at 12:21 pm
40. Comment #68225 by jaytee_555 on September 6, 2007 at 12:29 pm
"If God does not exist then everything is permitted"41. Comment #68228 by Dr Benway on September 6, 2007 at 12:31 pm
42. Comment #68230 by doodinthemood on September 6, 2007 at 12:39 pm
I wish both sides would stop throwing down pedophilia as an evil absolute.43. Comment #68231 by gordon on September 6, 2007 at 12:50 pm
44. Comment #68232 by gordon on September 6, 2007 at 12:51 pm
45. Comment #68233 by Logicel on September 6, 2007 at 12:58 pm
46. Comment #68239 by Northern Bright on September 6, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Just got in from work. I've been seething all day since listening to the Today programme this morning. I was so angry I hit my hand with a hammer and have the blood blister to prove it!
47. Comment #68250 by _J_ on September 6, 2007 at 2:08 pm
48. Comment #68253 by D'Arcy on September 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm
49. Comment #68254 by The_Stone on September 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm
50. Comment #68259 by Richard Morgan on September 6, 2007 at 2:34 pm
In that wonderful play by Marcel Pagnol: "César",(1937) in the opening scenes Honoré PANISSE is apparently on death's doorstep and is being confessed by the local priest. They go through the Ten Commandments one by one, and when they get to the famous "9th commandment" about bearing false witness - LYING - Honoré confesses to having spent most of his time lying, explaining his sinfulness with the now famous: "If you had to tell the customers the truth all the time, you'd be out of business!"César : "Sometimes I think about something terrible : You see, all those foreigners - the Chinese, the Africans, the Indians, all that billions of people - they all have their own Gods, and those gods are so different from ours... So sometimes at night I think about it and I wonder : "What if our God was not the real one ? What if the real god was African or Indian or something ?" I mean, imagine, you die, you go to heaven, and there you see a God with three eyes and five arms, who speaks to you in some language you don't even understand... What d'you do then ?
Woman: "Bah, if you went to church more often, you would know that there's only one God - ours !
César: "That's okay, our God is the good one, I agree - but that means that in the world, you see, there are billions of people who are getting shafted - and that really pisses me off."
1. Comment #68145 by BicycleRepairMan on September 6, 2007 at 8:50 am
here's the link to the news article on the Cornwell book:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,761,The-Fourth-Flea,John-Cornwell
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