Why do we ignore the plight of ex-Muslims?2. Comment #81628 by Johan on October 25, 2007 at 1:32 am
It's about time we put an end to this bizarre tolerance towards the intolerant.3. Comment #81635 by Goldy on October 25, 2007 at 1:40 am
4. Comment #81641 by Peacebeuponme on October 25, 2007 at 1:45 am
This type of article is exactly what this site is about. This is how religious bigotry clearly and dangerously affects our lives.5. Comment #81648 by nickthelight on October 25, 2007 at 2:01 am
6. Comment #81676 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 25, 2007 at 3:01 am
7. Comment #81683 by NJS on October 25, 2007 at 3:10 am
These surveys (36% approve of murder) as quoted are what frighten me.8. Comment #81714 by Logicel on October 25, 2007 at 4:56 am
9. Comment #81727 by Flagellant on October 25, 2007 at 5:25 am
10. Comment #81764 by fatcitymax on October 25, 2007 at 6:33 am
All a woman needs to do is carry a gun. Then shoot the next fanatic who assaults her. This advice applies to any wife who is assaulted by her husband.11. Comment #81791 by kraut on October 25, 2007 at 7:27 am
12. Comment #81794 by fatcitymax on October 25, 2007 at 7:38 am
She has a choice to either live by protecting herself or die like a scared mouse.13. Comment #81838 by ramses on October 25, 2007 at 9:08 am
"The idea of a society based on the rule of law that makes such behaviour impossible to conduct has never entered the mind of the participant?"14. Comment #81850 by USA_Limey on October 25, 2007 at 9:37 am
The perfect american solution - works every time, in vietnam, panama, iraq...
15. Comment #81889 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 25, 2007 at 11:07 am
brian said:
I cannot imagine the mind set that would turn a blind eye to this lunacy:-(
16. Comment #81893 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 25, 2007 at 11:15 am
Goldy as a matter of fact, I do have some very strong comments about this. I have always known that mercy to the guilty is treason to the innocent, and here we see it demonstrated in full. To appease minds enslaved by seventh-century mysticism, we sacrifice those brave enough to to free their minds from this evil.17. Comment #81900 by Bonzai on October 25, 2007 at 11:24 am
Behold, multicultral tolerance in action! Behold, the final abortion of the ideals held by so many, and they know who they are, the same ones who sneer at those of us who place justice above mercy, and right above tolerance.
18. Comment #81906 by Corylus on October 25, 2007 at 11:31 am
19. Comment #81921 by Vinelectric on October 25, 2007 at 11:56 am
All a woman needs to do is carry a gun. Then shoot the next fanatic who assaults her
20. Comment #81957 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 25, 2007 at 12:53 pm
USA_Limey , while Vinelectric and a host of others would prefer that innocents be shot dead rather than being able to defend themselves, allow me to give you a thumbs up for an eminently sensible proposition!21. Comment #81966 by 82abhilash on October 25, 2007 at 1:05 pm
I know we are going off on a tangent here. But fatcitymax's comment on all women carrying a gun, has a very American origin. Actually the founding fathers believed everyone should be able to carry a gun. So it is written into the US consititution. Why?22. Comment #82026 by USA_Limey on October 25, 2007 at 2:48 pm
I know we are going off on a tangent here
23. Comment #82045 by Goldy on October 25, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Goldy as a matter of fact, I do have some very strong comments about this.
24. Comment #82206 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 25, 2007 at 9:30 pm
I do not want people to lose their culture
but I do want these cultures to adapt to the new situations and for the host countries to make it happen.
It is not genetic and the books that have petrified are not the final word
Immigrants come to us for a better life,
No one is forcing them to become something they do not wish to be - they made the move, the lifestyle change, as it were.
25. Comment #82225 by Damien White on October 25, 2007 at 10:32 pm
"The Qur'an must be seen by Muslims as the final, unalterable word of God, not a single word may be changed or ignored. This is why the choice is typically Islam or apostasy."26. Comment #82350 by Bertybob on October 26, 2007 at 5:58 am
27. Comment #82379 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 26, 2007 at 7:46 am
While the usual suspects are feeling self-righteous about explaining away Muslim behaviour, people are taking their lives in their hands to face this menace. Look at _this_:28. Comment #82385 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 8:09 am
29. Comment #82386 by HunterZolomon on October 26, 2007 at 8:09 am
30. Comment #82430 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 26, 2007 at 10:15 am
brian
Must you be an ass? I've consistently said that freedom of speech is a bedrock issue.
31. Comment #82446 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 10:55 am
32. Comment #82449 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 26, 2007 at 11:03 am
I am appalled because your solution involves a genocidal culling exercise
33. Comment #82455 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 11:19 am
34. Comment #82464 by epeeist on October 26, 2007 at 11:39 am
I'd be interested to hear from other parties. Am I overstating the case? If I've lost objectivity on this, I'll apologise, but first lets hear from a few neutral parties.
35. Comment #82470 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 26, 2007 at 12:09 pm
I knew it. Not one single word in that thread you linked advocates genocide, and a great deal of it is about how to _prevent_ such horror from returning. Your fellow 'epeeist' characterises me as 'hysterical' while utterly failing to deal with my arguments. As per usual.36. Comment #82474 by steve99 on October 26, 2007 at 12:15 pm
I'd be interested to hear from other parties. Am I overstating the case? If I've lost objectivity on this, I'll apologise, but first lets hear from a few neutral parties.
37. Comment #82476 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 12:16 pm
38. Comment #82482 by epeeist on October 26, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Your fellow 'epeeist' characterises me as 'hysterical' while utterly failing to deal with my arguments. As per usual.
39. Comment #82485 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 26, 2007 at 12:42 pm
First of all, allow me to say that I have had it up to here with the kind of 'defender' of the Enlightenment who turns green whenever we are come into actual conflict, and who will go to any lengths to smear those of us who know what price freedom extracts.
You absolutely did not use the word genocide. However, but a genocidal culling of muslims seems to me to be the logical outcome of yor proposals.
"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
40. Comment #82491 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 12:54 pm
41. Comment #82504 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 26, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Your "solution" will precipitate the genocide you claim to wish to avoid.
42. Comment #82511 by Bonzai on October 26, 2007 at 2:07 pm
No, I find Fanusi's comments to be at best hysterical and simplistic. Having said that I find the actions of many politicians on Islam hypocritical, they either take the money and assume the position or they see a distorted reflection of their own faith and don't criticise. Essentially they are selling out their own culture.
43. Comment #82513 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 2:11 pm
44. Comment #82519 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 26, 2007 at 2:33 pm
45. Comment #82606 by epeeist on October 27, 2007 at 12:18 am
Muslims must wean themselves off their "kill the apostate" approach to criticism, and we have got to do more to support real moderates and especially apostates.
46. Comment #82611 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 27, 2007 at 12:28 am
47. Comment #82613 by epeeist on October 27, 2007 at 12:42 am
It would be tragically ironic if theists became a sort of oppressed minority. Still it's a fine line though, what happens when law begins to make inroads into religious upbringing?
48. Comment #82614 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 27, 2007 at 1:19 am
49. Comment #82616 by Fanusi Khiyal on October 27, 2007 at 1:35 am
I've explained all this at length, most recently in the previous post in somewhat abbreviated form.
50. Comment #82618 by Goldy on October 27, 2007 at 1:49 am
Why not? When that culture consists of honour-killings, paedophilia, forced marriages, and totalitarianism?
Actually, they are. The Qur'an must be seen by Muslims as the final, unalterable word of God, not a single word may be changed or ignored. This is why the choice is typically Islam or apostasy.
What if those cultures instead want to adapt the host countries to them? What if they see the host countries as so weak and gutless that they think they can succeed?
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