My life under a fatwa
Ayaan Hirsi Ali was stabbed into the world's consciousness three years ago. One wet afternoon in November 2004, her friend Theo van Gogh — a film-maker, and descendant of Vincent — left his house and was about to cycle off through Amsterdam. But a young Dutch-born Muslim called Mohammed Bouyeri was waiting for him — with a handgun and two sharpened butcher's knives.2. Comment #91158 by villageidiot on November 27, 2007 at 12:34 pm
3. Comment #91165 by USA_Limey on November 27, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Ayaan is my heroin.
4. Comment #91180 by BaronOchs on November 27, 2007 at 1:29 pm
5. Comment #91181 by Homo economicus on November 27, 2007 at 1:29 pm
6. Comment #91188 by Ashley1319 on November 27, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Ayaan is truly my heroin. I can't believe that she lived that kind of life, and is such a sweet and passionate woman today. I do find it sad that she is starting to adopt conservative policies, like only abolishing Muslim faith schools. Indoctrination is indoctrination, no matter what your religion. However, I can understand why she wouldn't see christian/jewish faith schools as much of a threat, they must look crazy secular compared to what she was raised in. Anyway, FSM bless you Ayaan Hirsi Ali, stay alive and keep giving hope to others!7. Comment #91189 by monkeychops on November 27, 2007 at 2:28 pm
The author of the article says:8. Comment #91194 by USA_Limey on November 27, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Ayaan is truly my heroin
9. Comment #91200 by Watts_Pete on November 27, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Ayaan is my heroin,10. Comment #91201 by Watts_Pete on November 27, 2007 at 3:14 pm
She has even begun to touch on the American hard right's preposterous predictions that Muslims are "outbreeding" the continent's traditional populations and will impose sharia law "within decades". When I challenge her on this, she says that "experts" say it is true.
11. Comment #91204 by Steve Wrathall on November 27, 2007 at 3:28 pm
12. Comment #91211 by Arturo on November 27, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Ayaan Hirsi Ali stands strong on her views about Islam. We need a strong female figure to bring change and hope for all other people living overseas trying to escape the madness of Fundamentalist religion.13. Comment #91227 by Gymnopedie on November 27, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Her "hard right" views aren't that absurd... many libertarians advocate doing away with the minimum wage, for example. As for the outbreeding topic, it seems like the answer is somewhat commonsense. As mentioned earlier, when women are essentially enslaved by the male population, they lose their reproductive rights and simply become incubators. Why wouldn't they try to outbreed the "infidels"? The males can basically abandon responsibility to his children and have multiple women in his possession to have them birth children to him. That isn't pointing out any fact that it is happening, but it makes it seem less absurd when you try to understand the context of the situation. Once you go head deep in this shit-for-brains barbarism, anything goes!14. Comment #91228 by Vinelectric on November 27, 2007 at 5:27 pm
15. Comment #91230 by Gymnopedie on November 27, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Vinelectric, I'd love to know where this reform in Islam is happening (or at least in any relevant form). She simply means (I assume) that Islam and Islamism are one in the same. The closer you adhere to the Koran and the Hadiths, the more you are going to violate human rights. Advocating warfare against the unbelievers, beating women, raping nine year old girls... this is part of Islam and cannot be readily avoided, or at least I don't see how. If Muhammad is the ultimate and perfect example of a human life, then raping a nine year old girl is Okay!16. Comment #91232 by Spinoza on November 27, 2007 at 5:55 pm
17. Comment #91233 by BAEOZ on November 27, 2007 at 5:58 pm
By the way that nine year old girl (Aisha) was already engaged at age six and was going to marry another middle aged man before her father offered her to Muhammad as a token of friendship (!!!!!). Crazy as it sounds but it was the norm then. Don't ask how, I can't explain it!!!
18. Comment #91234 by Bonzai on November 27, 2007 at 6:03 pm
19. Comment #91237 by BAEOZ on November 27, 2007 at 6:19 pm
20. Comment #91238 by Crazymalc on November 27, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Ayaan is my heroin,
but thanks to the mutilators
I can't get my coc aine.
21. Comment #91239 by Crazymalc on November 27, 2007 at 6:20 pm
22. Comment #91240 by Spinoza on November 27, 2007 at 6:21 pm
34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
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128. If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
23. Comment #91261 by Gymnopedie on November 27, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Spinoza – Yes, child marriage at the ages of 6 to 9 might have been common in the time. The problem with Islam here isn't just with the fact it hasn't changed its stance on this, it is that Muslims still insist that Muhammad is the greatest and most perfect example of a person in the history of the world. I in no way said that Muhammad was the first and only man in the world to marry an extremely young girl and have sex with her, so I'm not sure what the criticism about not knowing world/religious history is about.24. Comment #91268 by Spinoza on November 27, 2007 at 9:25 pm
it is that Muslims still insist that Muhammad is the greatest and most perfect example of a person in the history of the world.
25. Comment #91272 by villageidiot on November 27, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Ayaan is my heroin.
26. Comment #91274 by villageidiot on November 27, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Comment #91180 by BaronOchs
villageidiot lol I like the avatar!
27. Comment #91276 by eXcommunicate on November 27, 2007 at 11:08 pm
28. Comment #91277 by mnlandon on November 27, 2007 at 11:15 pm
This makes me sad. We have so far to go in righting these wrongs. Shame on the Netherlands for not doing everything possible to protect this bearer of a torch of the Enlightenment.29. Comment #91281 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 12:12 am
30. Comment #91283 by Goldy on November 28, 2007 at 12:26 am
Marriage at an Early Age
Jerman Ahmed Al-Shihry • Al-Madinah
When the Prophet, peace be upon him, first married Khadijah bint Khuwalid, he was 25 years old and she was 40. Later, when he married Aisha, he was 45 and she was only 9. Age differences in the Prophet's cases were not meant to serve the purpose of enjoying various women or merely tasting the pleasures of the flesh. The women were chosen by him in order to comply with the religion that is meant to organize the Muslim Ummah and provide what is permitted instead of encouraging what is forbidden.
Who was the husband of Khadijah and Aisha? He was the best of human being and the seal of all prophets. Any woman living at that time would have been happy to have been chosen by the Prophet as his wife.
I am writing this article after one I read in Al-Watan newspaper, entitled "70-year-old man marries 12-year-old girl in Asir." The article said that the employees in the Asir Medical Center were shocked when a 70-year-old man and a 12-year-old girl came for a blood test in order to marry.
I must say I wonder if any of us have the right to compare ourselves and our actions to anything done by our beloved Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. The answer of course is absolutely not! There are no comparisons or similarities and it's simply wrong for such old men to marry young girls — and justify their doing so by saying that their role model is the Prophet. They are conveniently forgetting to mention the enormous difference between his sublime purpose and their own twisted desires.
In our materialistic world, we witness many marriages of this kind which are harmful to the Muslim family. When old men marry young girls, there are social disadvantages and the possibility of crimes. We shouldn't allow someone so old to possess a young girl or woman just to satisfy her male guardian's avariciousness.
We shouldn't wonder about the unpleasant reactions the young girl might have — whether to herself or to the old man she's married to. If she commits a crime, then we are the ones responsible. I would prefer to have my daughter with a young man who is nearly dead than with one who is old and nearly dead. When the poor girl wakes up from this horrible nightmare, she may well take violent revenge on anyone. And when she does, she must not be blamed; it is we who are responsible and we who must take responsibility for the calamity.
31. Comment #91284 by theillestatheist on November 28, 2007 at 12:34 am
This story should be on prime time news. Us atheists get to hear about it because we visit this site but a lot of people that I know have never even heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. If we`re going to beat these nutters, everyone needs to know what`s going on.32. Comment #91285 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 12:41 am
It's not a "Hey Islam is disgusting because Muhammed was a rapist!"...
That doesn't even make any sense...
Islam is disgusting because women STILL haven't been given very many (if any) rights.
Can anyone tell me why the predictions are preposterous? AC Grayling is similarly dismissive in Against All Gods but he doesn't explain why and I can't work it out. Does anyone have any thoughts on why these writers dismiss the demographic arguements?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSeonq9lVM
33. Comment #91298 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 2:07 am
34. Comment #91306 by Vaal on November 28, 2007 at 2:25 am
35. Comment #91309 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 2:34 am
*nods* Vaal those were dark and terrible times. What's really sickening is that there are still, today, those who engage in these practices, such as the Ayatollah Khomeni, and the preachers on Undercover Mosque. This is because of Muhammad's example, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil.36. Comment #91312 by villageidiot on November 28, 2007 at 2:41 am
Comment #91298 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 2:07 am
avatarThe objections raised to my video are familiar. So here is something I prepared earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lRffYTStw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coi14j5q-vU
37. Comment #91316 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 2:54 am
38. Comment #91330 by hungarianelephant on November 28, 2007 at 4:06 am
39. Comment #91334 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 4:25 am
40. Comment #91342 by hungarianelephant on November 28, 2007 at 5:15 am
41. Comment #91345 by irate_atheist on November 28, 2007 at 5:19 am
42. Comment #91346 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 5:28 am
43. Comment #91352 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 5:45 am
Wonders never cease - brian has said something intriguing:
Science is very close to developing sex-choice drugs. Instead of getting sniffy about this, we could actively encourage it, and make it available cheaply. You can guarantee that the nutters will always assume that it is some other family's job to produce seven daughters for marriage to their seven sons. And within twenty years, supply and demand will ensure that women have become immensely valuable.
It is worth repeating that culturally specific fascists will be in power in various EU states, long before muslims.
44. Comment #91366 by hungarianelephant on November 28, 2007 at 6:56 am
45. Comment #91375 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 7:26 am
46. Comment #91390 by mrjonno on November 28, 2007 at 7:58 am
Few points47. Comment #91401 by robotaholic on November 28, 2007 at 8:36 am
48. Comment #91403 by robotaholic on November 28, 2007 at 8:37 am
49. Comment #91455 by Steven Mading on November 28, 2007 at 11:00 am
mrjonno wrote:Electoral systems make a big difference too. The UK and US have the 'first past the post system'. Effectively if you get 40-50% of the vote you get 100% of the political power , if you get 0-40% you get zero political power. With proportional representation (which you get in the rest of Europe) every vote counts (which is more democratic in some ways but has the disadvantage it allows small extreme parties to grow)
50. Comment #91529 by Spinoza on November 28, 2007 at 1:57 pm
and I'm tired of being educated about muslim this and islam that - I don't even wanna hear about it- I just wish it would go AWAY
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